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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, it.
Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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April 13 | 1 | |
April 14 | 1 | |
April 15 | 1 | |
April 25 | 3 | |
April 26 | 2 | |
April 28 | 1 | |
April 29 | 2 | |
April 30 | 1 | |
May 1 | 1 | |
May 2 | 2 | |
May 4 | 1 | |
May 5 | 1 | |
May 6 | 1 | |
May 7 | 2 | |
May 8 | 3 | |
May 9 | 2 | |
May 10 | 4 | |
May 12 | 6 | 1 |
May 13 | 1 | |
May 14 | 4 | 3 |
May 15 | 7 | 5 |
May 16 | 8 | 5 |
May 17 | 10 | 6 |
May 18 | 8 | 5 |
May 19 | 6 | 4 |
May 20 | 9 | 5 |
May 21 | 15 | 6 |
May 22 | 10 | 7 |
May 23 | 10 | 6 |
May 24 | 11 | 4 |
May 25 | 5 | 2 |
May 26 | 8 | 5 |
May 27 | 10 | 5 |
May 28 | 9 | 7 |
May 29 | 6 | 3 |
May 30 | 10 | 7 |
May 31 | 11 | 10 |
June 1 | 4 | 2 |
June 2 | 9 | 2 |
June 3 | 6 | 2 |
June 4 | 3 | 2 |
June 5 | 7 | 3 |
June 6 | 4 | 1 |
June 7 | 8 | |
June 8 | ||
Total | 234 | 108 |
Last updated 03:45, 8 June 2024 UTC Current time is 07:05, 8 June 2024 UTC [refresh] |
Instructions for nominators[edit]
If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the supplementary guidelines.
Frequently asked questions[edit]
How do I write an interesting hook?
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
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Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Instructions for reviewers[edit]
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
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Advanced procedures[edit]
How to promote an accepted hook[edit]
At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
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How to remove a rejected hook[edit]
- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
- In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line
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. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]
- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
- Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
- View the edit history for that page
- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
- Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
- Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
- If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]
- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations[edit]
Older nominations[edit]
Articles created/expanded on April 13[edit]
Sitdown strike
... that there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers?Source:
- US Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Relations (May 1939). "Analysis of Strikes in 1938". Monthly Labor Review: Table 16.
- US Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Relations (May 1940). "Strikes in 1939". Monthly Labor Review: 28-29.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: The cited sources are online here: https://www.bls.gov/wsp/publications/annual-summaries/pdf/strikes-in-1939.pdf and here: https://www.bls.gov/wsp/publications/annual-summaries/pdf/analysis-of-strikes-in-1938.pdf
Source 1 states: "The number of sit-down strikes in 1936, 1937, and 1938 by months, with the number' of workers involved, is given in table 16."
Table 16 lists the same numbers of strikes given in source 2 below. It lists workers involved as follows: 1936: 87,817 1937: 398,117 1938: 28,749
Source 2 states: "In 1936 there were 48 so-called sit-down strikes. In 1937 the number increased to 477, but by 1938 they decreased to 52. There were only 6 strikes during 1939 in which all or part of the strikers remained at their workplaces for one or more days after ceasing work. he number of workers idle in connection with these 6 strikes was 3,416, although the number participating in the sit-down or stay-in feature is not known."
This sentence involves a very encyclopedic form of synthesis in that it adds numbers from two consecutive studies by the same source. Similar synthesis, but without inclusion of the latter number appears in Sidney Fine's book Sitdown, cited in the article.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Carwil (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ not needed, expansion is recent and article is long enough. Hook is properly sourced. However, Earwig detected a 43.2% similarity. Before I pass this nom, I think it would be suitable to trim down some quotes, if possible. Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've reviewed the Earwig similarity report, which highlights passages that are either in quotes or comprise part of citations (including the journal name and another cited article). The longest passage is the summary of the Matignon Agreement, a quotation I don't think I can improve upon. I've revised the article to reduce the amount of material directly quoted from Torigian and from Adamic, but keep Adamic's longer definition and Torigian's POV that the mid-1930s strikes were a distinct phase of using the tactic. Let me know whether you think these changes sufficiently reduce the reliance of direct quotations.--Carwil (talk) 13:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, here's the Earwig similarity report with bibliography temporarily removed.
- Fair rationale. Passing nomination. LunaEcplise (for the record I'm Davest3r08) (talk) 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@Carwil, LunaEclipse, AirshipJungleman29, and RoySmith: - given that there was no definite resolution to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Sitdown strike, I'm reopening this. A couple of issues were raised regarding the state of the article, and also whether the figures from the Dept. of Labor should be given in Wikivoice. — Amakuru (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upon additional consideration, I'm fine with the wikivoice thing. RoySmith (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Replying here as I'm traveling and on mobile only: Hmm... I'm not sure this makes sense as a general principle for DYK hooks (in voice sourcing for official statistics), though I'm not adverse to a "by official counts" phrase being added. There's no reason to suspect that the government counted any non-existent strikes and political reasons to suspect that this government attempted to both be complete in its count and to accurately report both the rise and fall of the phenomenon in its counts. Unintended errors of categorization could fall in both ways. But this seems like the kind of fact routinely sourced in a footnote in a lead section or DYK. - - User:Carwil
Alt0a ... that by official counts there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers?- Alt0b ... that according to the U.S. Department of Labor there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers?
- --evrik (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if there were exactly 583 sitdown strikes between 1936 and 1939 – I think that there should be some lip service to the idea that a figure like that probably can't be exact. Attributing inline makes sense to me, if only briefly. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - @Carwil: there are still some citation needed templates in the article itself, which need fixing. Plus we need a consensus on which hook to use. If this isn't resolved soon, this may have to be rejected and archived. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @LunaEcplise: I think the sourcing problems are fixed. What about the hooks? --evrik (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm dropping this review. Someone else should take my place. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 10:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Carwil: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. There are a couple of unsourced bits and unattributed quotes in the article, which I've annotated accordingly, and I don't really think it's on to comment out unsourced content while it's here, so I've taken it out. As written, the Form and purpose section would deserve {{disputed}}, because an account of the late 1930s can't really be written in 1936 and I'd question whether it should even be there given WP:NOTDEF. I'd be willing to approve ALT0b, although I would suggest the below as a WP:DYKTRIMmed variant of ALT0b:
- ALT0c:
... that the U.S. Department of Labor recognises 583 sitdown strikes in the U.S., affecting half a million workers? - which says everything ALT0b says in fewer words. (If I had my druthers, we'd be running some variant of "that quickies have disrupted the rubber industry", but pigs will fly before that gets past WP:DYKGRAT.)--Launchballer 11:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm dropping this review. Someone else should take my place. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 10:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LunaEclipse: I'll try to finish this. @Launchballer: I like ALt0c and will approve it. @Carwil: I went through and did a final clean-up. I found the sources, and dealt with the other tags. --evrik (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0c gives the impression that 583 sitdown strikes have occurred in the U.S. from whenever they began to the present day, while the sources for this hook are from 1939 and 1940 covering only 1936 through 1939, and the article goes on to mention quite a few both before and after those years. Trimming a hook like ALT0b is one thing—I don't see any obvious issues with it—but trimming it to the point that it's misleading if not inaccurate is quite another; I have struck it. I think, given the circumstances, we need a new reviewer; it's a stretch for evrik to be approving a tightened version of their own hook, especially given its issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, I meant ALT0d: ... that the U.S. Department of Labor recognises 583 sitdown strikes in the U.S. between 1936 and 1939, affecting half a million workers?--Launchballer 11:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 14[edit]
Cora Babbitt Johnson
- ... that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented the carving of Mount Rushmore? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. pp. chapter 2 and chapter 5; Fite, Gilbert Courtland (1952). Mount Rushmore. Internet Archive. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press; Merritt, Riley (2024-04-01). "Borglum's Horse Flies: The Early Opposition to Mount Rushmore". Honors College Theses.
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Borg Axoim (talk) 16:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: The nominated article has one paragraph without a citation. The uncited paragraph could be supported in part by pages 11 and 121 of Mount Rushmore by Gilbert C. Fite, it talks about the Hot Springs Star's editorial stance. https://archive.org/details/mountrushmore00univ/page/121 I also suggest that an alternate wording like "that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented..." rather than the current wording. Update:Thanks to Mary Mark Ockerbloom for working on the reference problems on the article. Do either of the two nominators, Borg Axoim or Crunchydillpickle, have any final thoughts or last minute suggestions? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- No further comments, but I think we're good to go. Letting Borg Axoim and Crunchydillpickle know that its approved. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Borg Axoim, @Crunchydillpickle and @MtBotany Where does the wiki article state that the carving of Mount Rushmore was "almost prevented?" Unless there's genuine evidence from the cited source that the project was almost going to be shut down (if so, that should be added in), letters of opposition, protests, and halts do not equal "preventions." This needs to be addressed first before promotion. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, PrimalMustelid sloppy reviewing on my part. One of the project's promotors (Robinson) said that her editorials against the project, "might produce a real disaster." The strongest that could be said is something like "environmentalists delayed the carving of Mount Rushmore" and I don't know that such as statement would be surprising/interesting. If Borg Axoim or Crunckydillpickle are interested in a rewrite of the hook there is a lot of support for something like "the artist who carved Mt. Rushmore called Cora Johnson and other environmentalists opponents "horseflies"." 🌿MtBotany (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- PrimalMustelid and MtBotany, you're right that the wording may not be ideal. Two of the sources (Fite and Merritt) mention how Cora Babbitt Johnson swayed the South Dakota governor against the project and that he delayed the project severely. Given that, I think it would be fair to say something like "Cora Babbitt Johnson and other environmentalists lobbied South Dakota governor Carl Gunderson, who halted the Mount Rushmore project until the end of his term". Would that be interesting enough? It could still use some rewriting. User:Borg_Axoim 7:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Borg Axoim, @Crunchydillpickle and @MtBotany Where does the wiki article state that the carving of Mount Rushmore was "almost prevented?" Unless there's genuine evidence from the cited source that the project was almost going to be shut down (if so, that should be added in), letters of opposition, protests, and halts do not equal "preventions." This needs to be addressed first before promotion. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Gutzon Borglum, the carver of Mount Rushmore, referred to Cora Babbitt Johnson as an "agent of evil"? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. "So vitriolic were her attacks that Borglum would refer to her only as 'that Hot Springs person,' describing her as 'an agent of evil.'" Hooky, makes you want to click through and find out why. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 21:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Borg Axoim: thoughts on ALT1? If okay, review needed for it (hopefully from MtBotany). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron I think ALT1 is good. I have some small concerns about the Rex Alan Smith source, primarily that it doesn't cite info and has clear bias, but I like the rewrite. user: Borg_Axoim 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the efforts of Cora Babbitt Johnson delayed the construction of Mount Rushmore until 1927?--Launchballer 02:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to check the ALT hooks. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the efforts of Cora Babbitt Johnson delayed the construction of Mount Rushmore until 1927?--Launchballer 02:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 15[edit]
Roman roads in Judaea
- ... that modern highways in Israel still follow some of the ancient Roman roads in Judaea? Source: Roman Roads Connected Gaza, Hebron, Jerusalem and Tiberias. What Is Left of Them Today? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/travel/2024-03-08/ty-article-magazine/.premium/roman-roads-connected-gaza-hebron-jerusalem-and-tiberias-what-is-left-of-them-today/0000018e-18fe-d8fb-abff-5dfee1380000
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Owenglyndur (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - Many of the cited sources fail verification, see comments on the article's talk page.
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: This nomination still needs work. As it's your first nomination, I'm happy to give you time to improve this. But, at minimum, you need to settle on an interesting hook with a reliable source that you can clearly cite for it. Unsourced sections need to either be removed, or reliable sources cited inline with them. Grnrchst (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion: if you find a source for current use of the same routes, that might be interesting (enough)? FortunateSons (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marking as rejected due to a lack of response from Owenglyndur. If they do not respond in the next few days, this can be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720, it appears that Owenglyndur responded to your original post on their talk page on 5 May rather than here, and made a number of edits to the article that same day. Do issues remain? Also pinging original reviewer Grnrchst. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with passing this review now, as the biggest issues with the article and hook have been sufficiently addressed. There's still some bits that lack inline citations, but some of them make clear what they're citing in the text and others are rather minor things in larger paragraphs that contain inline citations elsewhere. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst and Owenglyndur: A hook cannot run at DYK with missing inline citations. This will need to be resolved. Z1720 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments i will work on them. I will let you know once its ready. So we will be able to publish the DYK then? Owenglyndur (talk) 07:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst and Owenglyndur: A hook cannot run at DYK with missing inline citations. This will need to be resolved. Z1720 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with passing this review now, as the biggest issues with the article and hook have been sufficiently addressed. There's still some bits that lack inline citations, but some of them make clear what they're citing in the text and others are rather minor things in larger paragraphs that contain inline citations elsewhere. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720, it appears that Owenglyndur responded to your original post on their talk page on 5 May rather than here, and made a number of edits to the article that same day. Do issues remain? Also pinging original reviewer Grnrchst. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marking as rejected due to a lack of response from Owenglyndur. If they do not respond in the next few days, this can be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hook should be a Monty Python reference imo. (t · c) buidhe 03:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: absolutely :) i don't know the sketch well enough, but if you've got something in your back pocket, that'd be hilarious. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: it looks like there are still some missing inline citations. (Also, this article could use a stiff copyedit.) The nomination can move forward when the issues are addressed (although it does take a while), but could the issues be addressed within a week? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for you comment, i did what i could to correct the article, If it is still not enough, you can remove it from DYK status Owenglyndur
@Grnrchst: As the original reviewer, have your concerns been resolved, and is this hook approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Yes, my concerns have been resolved, as all of the paragraphs now have inline citations.
I'm happy to approve this.--Grnrchst (talk) 09:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- @Grnrchst: If this is approved, please add the green tick below. Z1720 (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst, Z1720, and Owenglyndur: I've noted some significant issues with verifiability on the article talk page, but they have not been addressed. I have not gone through the article with a fine-tooth comb so there may be other issues. Regrettably, as a Monty Python hook would have been fun, I do not think the article is ready to be approved. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: If this is approved, please add the green tick below. Z1720 (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 25[edit]
DarkZero Esports
- ... that DarkZero won the 2022 Apex Legends Global Series championship?
- ALT1: ... that when their Apex Legends roster won the 2022 ALGS champipnship, DarkZero had not yet updated their website to include player bios? Source: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2022/07/all-australian-apex-legends-team-wins-apex-legends-global-series-championships/
- Reviewed: Bill McNulty
- Comment:
QPQ to come soon.QPQ is now done.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Soulbust (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Soulbust: Please provide a QPQ or this nomination may be rejected. Z1720 (talk) 15:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: QPQ's done now. Soulbust (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: QPQ's done now. Soulbust (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: I don't think either hooks are that interesting. Can you come up with something else? Perhaps you could mention that they won $500,000, I suppose. BorgQueen (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Soulbust: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BorgQueen: didn't see this notif for some reason. I personally don't find the financials/monetary aspect of these sorts of things interesting at all. I thought ALT1 was kinda conceptually funny, the fact that the team was still so freshly signed when they won the tournament that DZ hadn't even given them player bios on their website yet. Idk. I'll see what I can do, but will be adding the $500,000 win into the actual article as that info is currently not included. Soulbust (talk) 01:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Soulbust: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Lunch (song)
Alt0 ... that after being outed by a reporter, Billie Eilish became more open about her bisexuality, even including a song about lesbian sex on her upcoming album?Source: Gay Times, The Cut- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/September 2023 New York floods
- Comment: Open to alternatives.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page. PSA 🏕️ (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Generally well-written, sources are okay, hook is interesting. Just a small recommendation, links to Rolling Stone and Coachella 2024 can be added. Good to go! Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 11:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hooks must not be likely to change, and that album's probably going to come out. (Probably.)--Launchballer 23:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it's released now @Launchballer so...
Alt1 ... that after being outed by a reporter, Billie Eilish became more open about her bisexuality, even including a song about lesbian sex on her third album?
PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 03:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
@PSA, Prince of Erebor, Launchballer, Geni, Kusma, and Z1720: reopening this nom page per discussion at WT:DYK. I personally agree with the sentiment expressed there that including mention of Eilish's sexuality is not suitable for the main page, when she's explicitly said she doesn't accept the concept of outing. Suggest we go with Kusma's alt or something else. Full discussion to be copied below. — Amakuru (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Currently in prep 7. Hook doesn't appear to be neutral. If I'm reading the sources correctly Eilish is rejecting the term outing which the hook uses.©Geni (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- My reading of the sources is that Eilish is objecting to actually being outed; if she had a problem with the term, she wouldn't have used it in the Instagram post mentioned in the Background section.--Launchballer 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- From what I read in the source [1], she said "i like boys and girls leave me alone about it please literally who cares." so I am not sure focussing on her sexuality (instead of on the song) is appropriate for the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Alt2 ... that Billie Eilish included a song about lesbian sex on her third album?"--Launchballer 14:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not very hooky but its really up to @User:PSA in terms of what they want to do.©Geni (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer @Kusma @Geni:
Alt3 ... that Billie Eilish included a song about lesbian sex on her third album after gradually becoming more public about her sapphism?PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 02:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)- I prefer Launchballer's version because it does not talk about Eilish's sexuality in the hook. —Kusma (talk) 05:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer @Kusma @Geni:
- Not very hooky but its really up to @User:PSA in terms of what they want to do.©Geni (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Alt2 ... that Billie Eilish included a song about lesbian sex on her third album?"--Launchballer 14:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- From the gay times article "Eilish also criticised the notion that a person has to ‘come out’ as queer" I read that has Eilish rejecting the term.©Geni (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's more like "no one has to feel pressured to tell people theyre LGBT" to me. not necessarily a rejection of the concept PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 08:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well perhaps. In practice Z1720 aproved the hook some time ago so its all moot at this point.©Geni (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- What else needs to be done to this?--Launchballer 17:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed on the hook issue. I've just struck all the hooks that talk about outing or sapphism; there's enough disagreement about including these in the hook (which I agree with) that it isn't going to fly, much though others still want to include it. Whatever Z1720 may have approved in the past, we're clearly past that point now. The only hook left seems to be Launchballer's above, which Geni described as "not very hooky"; maybe a new hook with a different approach is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- What else needs to be done to this?--Launchballer 17:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well perhaps. In practice Z1720 aproved the hook some time ago so its all moot at this point.©Geni (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's more like "no one has to feel pressured to tell people theyre LGBT" to me. not necessarily a rejection of the concept PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 08:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- From what I read in the source [1], she said "i like boys and girls leave me alone about it please literally who cares." so I am not sure focussing on her sexuality (instead of on the song) is appropriate for the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- My reading of the sources is that Eilish is objecting to actually being outed; if she had a problem with the term, she wouldn't have used it in the Instagram post mentioned in the Background section.--Launchballer 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @PSA, Evrik, Launchballer, and Prince of Erebor: I agree with @Geni and BlueMoonset: I don't think ALT2 meets WP:DYKINT. New hook needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
How about:
- "Alt3
... that Billie Eilish debuted Lunch during a secret DJ set?"
My proposal:
- ALT4:
... that one critic compared the "provocative" nature of one Billie Eilish song to the 1969 Stonewall riots?
none of it directly mentions Eilish's sexual orientation so I hope this should be okay . PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 01:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Something for the promoter:
- "Alt3a
... that Billie Eilish first served Lunch during a secret DJ set?"--evrik (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- I don't see how Alt3a is backed up by the Vulture source; while it talks about a "DJ set" (and do we really expect people to know what that even means? it's certainly not a commonly understood term, so it makes for a confusing hook rather than an interesting one), Vulture never uses the term "secret"—©Geni, I think this needs to be revised in the article, and evrik, I've struck both variants of this second Alt3 hook because of this problem. PSA, thanks for trying with Alt4, but I'm unconvinced by the comparison of the song to the Stonewall riots: Allison Hope makes a comparison to one prominent person at Stonewall, and it feels like the article has cherry-picked this particular bit from the CNN story for the purpose of creating a hook (and not bothered to quote "provocative" there while doing so in the hook, a no-no). I do hope something can be found; there might be something in this CNN opinion piece that can be used—perhaps the "confrontational" nature to a figure from Stonewall—but given how the piece centers on "queer-centered sexuality", that may well be too difficult to maneuver around. Maybe there's something else out there? evrik, I suggest that you bow out of reviewing any further hooks for this article, since you've approved several that have issues that should have been picked up on, not given ticks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Alt3b ... that Billie Eilish first served Lunch during a private party at Coachella?"Gonzalez, Alex. "Billie Eilish Previewed A New Song, 'Lunch,' During Coachella And Its Lyrics Are So Explicit Fans Are Having Fits Online". Uproxx. --evrik (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: i'm not sure I can parse what's happening. The intention was to highlight "
the 'confrontational' nature to a figure from Stonewall
" as you put it, but the hook kind of already does that? I think we should just edit the hook to match that wording more:
- @BlueMoonset: i'm not sure I can parse what's happening. The intention was to highlight "
- Alt4a "that the 'confrontational' nature of one Billie Eilish song was compared to a prominent figure of the Stonewall riots?
- Also, no offense, but I, as a queer person myself, do not get why we're so hung-up on absolutely not mentioning Eilish's sexual orientation when she's been open about it so many times. I must be missing something here. PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 03:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Taiyin Xingjun
- ... that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is considered the original Chinese moon goddess, even though Chang'e is sometimes viewed as an accidental resident and is also regarded as an incarnation of her? Source: 找神!拜對正廟有緣神: 拓展「神脈」,更要抱對「佛腳」!
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.TheGreatPeng (talk) 06:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC).
- Hi, who will review my DYK? And how many days do I need to wait for a review? TheGreatPeng (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Please be patient. This is a volunteer effort, and the average wait time for a review could be around two to three weeks, perhaps sooner or later depending on who is active. Please be mindful of WP:DYK200. It may help to present alternate hooks for consideration. Viriditas (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- But it was too long to wait; even my second DYK was reviewed. TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Article is sourced well, no plagiarism, new enough, long enough, but needs another pass over for grammar, spelling, and tone. Article could also use clarification about which aspects of worship of this god apply to China/specific regions of China, and which to Taiwan. Hook should also be simplified. How about: ...that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is the original Chinese moon goddess, but is often confused with Chang'e?
Luiysia (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- How about: ... that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is the original Chinese moon goddess, while the more famous Chang'e considered her incarnation?
TheGreatPeng (talk) 18:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Luiysia: pls finish your review. Thanks TheGreatPeng (talk) 07:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TheGreatPeng: Hi, please make the changes mentioned above, the article has some issues with tone. On review, it seems like there are several quotes which are not distinguished from the text of the article, these should be incorporated into the text or at least separated into quote blocks. See: WP:QUOTE
- @Luiysia: pls finish your review. Thanks TheGreatPeng (talk) 07:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- The new hook you suggested sounds good, with slight correction: "...that Taiyin Xingjun (pictured) is the original Chinese moon goddess, while the more famous Chang'e is considered her incarnation? "
- Will approve once changes are made~
- Luiysia (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Luiysia: I've done my best to adjust the grammar and tone, even though I'm not a copyeditor. However, I'm unsure about how to format certain text from books or historical documents as a quote block since it's not dialogue. Could you provide an example quote block, and I'll adjust accordingly? WP:QUOTE is not helpful. Thanks! TheGreatPeng (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TheGreatPeng: You can simply use the quote template: Template:Blockquote Luiysia (talk) 16:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Luiysia: I've done my best to adjust the grammar and tone, even though I'm not a copyeditor. However, I'm unsure about how to format certain text from books or historical documents as a quote block since it's not dialogue. Could you provide an example quote block, and I'll adjust accordingly? WP:QUOTE is not helpful. Thanks! TheGreatPeng (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Luiysia: Done, sorry for the delay. TheGreatPeng (talk) 07:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheGreatPeng: No worries. Approved
- Luiysia (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Request - To DYK promoter, As a newbie, I have made 4 or 5 DYK articles, but none of them were chosen with a photo. So if possible, please promote this DYK with an image. Thanks TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
@Luiysia and TheGreatPeng: Many sections would deserve [citation needed] tags. These should be remedied before this can be promoted. (Note to self: the remaining checks still need to be done.)--Launchballer 18:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Launchballer, thanks for your comments. Please look at my previous articles that I created. All were perfectly sourced and easily verifiable. For this article, I used well-sourced information and only included content from those sources. If you can't verify the information because the sources are in Chinese, you can use Google Translate or Google Lens. Most parts of the article are quotes, and references for these quotes can be found at the end of the paragraphs, such as "stating," or "said," since I can't add references in the "block quote template." I have now removed many paragraphs related to Jielin, another name for the moon, which can also be identified with other Chinese moon gods. All information is sourced, and if you have questions about the sources, please ask me on the article's talk page. I will explain on a case-by-case basis. Thanks! TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKCITE, all paragraphs require inline citations. Also, what makes that 356 word wall of text comply with WP:NPS?--Launchballer 09:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, all information are sourced, so what's your problem? You are know more than me in Chinese? TheGreatPeng (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- TheGreatPeng, you would do well to tone down the bluster, seeing as this article contains significant plagiarism of machine-translated text. Take the third paragraph of the body: when you run its source through Google Translate, you find "During the Qing dynasty, the worship of the moon in Beijing changed somewhat. It evolved from the early pure Taoist worship of Chang'e to the secular image of the Moonlight Bodhisattva and the medicine-pounding Jade Rabbit that blended Buddhism and Taoism. The Moonlight God was mostly presented by Taoist temples, titled "Yuefu Suyao Taiyin Xingjun". The first and second sentences, in particular, are almost identical. I will tag the article for close paraphrasing; evidence will need to be presented that the issue is fixed, as we can no longer AGF blindly. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: You might want to check nominator's other DYK nomination (which is currently sitting in Prep 6 and may be Queued real soon) for close paraphrasing as well, given it also contains foreign sources I AGF approved. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- TheGreatPeng, you would do well to tone down the bluster, seeing as this article contains significant plagiarism of machine-translated text. Take the third paragraph of the body: when you run its source through Google Translate, you find "During the Qing dynasty, the worship of the moon in Beijing changed somewhat. It evolved from the early pure Taoist worship of Chang'e to the secular image of the Moonlight Bodhisattva and the medicine-pounding Jade Rabbit that blended Buddhism and Taoism. The Moonlight God was mostly presented by Taoist temples, titled "Yuefu Suyao Taiyin Xingjun". The first and second sentences, in particular, are almost identical. I will tag the article for close paraphrasing; evidence will need to be presented that the issue is fixed, as we can no longer AGF blindly. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I saw someone change that sentence recently, so do I need to change anything else in the article? TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy:, Please stop making a fuss. AirshipJungleman29 already stated this at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Suicide of Fat Cat. We have already discussed this on the DYK talk page. If you have any problems with that DYK, we can discuss them on that DYK's talk page. I don't know why you brought this here. TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Launchballer, thanks for your comments. Please look at my previous articles that I created. All were perfectly sourced and easily verifiable. For this article, I used well-sourced information and only included content from those sources. If you can't verify the information because the sources are in Chinese, you can use Google Translate or Google Lens. Most parts of the article are quotes, and references for these quotes can be found at the end of the paragraphs, such as "stating," or "said," since I can't add references in the "block quote template." I have now removed many paragraphs related to Jielin, another name for the moon, which can also be identified with other Chinese moon gods. All information is sourced, and if you have questions about the sources, please ask me on the article's talk page. I will explain on a case-by-case basis. Thanks! TheGreatPeng (talk) 05:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 26[edit]
Hong Kong v Inter Miami
- ... that Lionel Messi has provoked geopolitical tensions across China, the United States, Argentina, Japan and Hong Kong due to his absence from a match?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first DYK nomination so please remind me if there is anything missing or should be improved. Thanks.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.~~ J. Dann 15:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC).
- What a ride that article was. QPQ not needed. Earwig has a high score for copyvio detection, but that's entirely due to Messi's paragraph-long statement in the "Departure and Japan trip" section, which has an inline citation to the flagged source. Referencing is adequate and length/newness criteria fulfilled. Hook is definitely interesting and cited in source, not cited inline as exact phrasing but separately so. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Cypp0847 and Juxlos: I have tagged the article for copyediting, as there are grammar-related issues throughout the article (tenses, for instance, are very often incorrect). This needs to be resolved before a DYK run. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Cypp0847: any progress on addressing the prose issues? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, I'm working on a copyedit and will try to have it posted later today or tomorrow. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, finished my copyedit. I removed the flag icons per MOS:FLAG and shortened one of the really long quotations. The infobox image, while taken from a video released under CC, contains elements which are definitely under copyright. I suggest taking a low-resolution version (100k pixels) and moving it to en.wiki with a fair use rationale, and using that. Please ping me (here or elsewhere) if you have any questions regarding my edits. – Reidgreg (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Cypp0847 and Juxlos: I have tagged the article for copyediting, as there are grammar-related issues throughout the article (tenses, for instance, are very often incorrect). This needs to be resolved before a DYK run. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The Skeptical Environmentalist
... that Mark Lynas once pied author Bjørn Lomborg because he disagreed with the views he had set out in The Skeptical Environmentalist?
- ALT1: ... that sales of The Skeptical Environmentalist quadrupled after a series of negative reviews in Scientific American were published? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/423216a
- ALT2: ... that E. O. Wilson said he regretted "the time wasted by scientists correcting the misinformation created" by The Skeptical Environmentalist? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19438150903533730
- ALT3: ... that The Skeptical Environmentalist was found to be scientifically dishonest by a Danish government agency? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/world/environment-and-science-danes-rebuke-a-skeptic.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivančena
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Arcahaeoindris (talk) 22:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: A newly promoted GA which received an appropriate review during the GAN. Overall, everything looks good for ALT0, which I think is definitely the strongest option. I'd make a few tweaks to the wording, though, to make it more concise, define "pie" (since it's not that common as a verb), and remove the identity of the thrower (which doesn't add much as not too many readers will know who he is). That leaves us with ALT0a: ...that an environmentalist threw a pie in the face of the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist?
If that works for you, this should be good to go. Sdkb talk 01:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Sdkb:! Your proposed alt is fine with me :) Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm getting WP:false balance vibes from ALT0. Views sounds like an opinion, rather than misinformation. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
After no response to my notice on WT:DYK, I have pulled the hook due to unsourced content. Z1720 (talk) 00:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 28[edit]
Lineage (anthropology)
... that lineage societies, traced through maternal, paternal, or ambilineal lines, can be used to determine inheritance rights, social status, and even rituals in some cultures?
ALT1: ... that some cultures around the world practice matrilineal lineage, where ancestry is traced exclusively through the mother in the maternal line?Source: www.palomar .edu /anthro /kinship /kinship _2 .htm - Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
- Striking ALT1, as it does not contain the nominated article nor any reasonable place to link to it. You need a further 104 characters for this to become eligible.--Launchballer 15:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, 104 characters where? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Me Da Wikipedian (talk • contribs)
- In the article, and sign your posts.--Launchballer 16:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Needed to anyway for some minor stuff, how is it now? @Launchballer: Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still needs another 42 characters. You should consider installing WP:DYKcheck so you can check yourself.--Launchballer 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Now added some stuff about the 2 types of ambilineal, which I may expand into there own sectrions at some point. Hows this now @Launchballer: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Me Da Wikipedian (talk • contribs)
- How are you remembering to put my username in your comments and not- anyway, length requirement met. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can you do said review, and if not who and when will do it @Launchballer:Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- How are you remembering to put my username in your comments and not- anyway, length requirement met. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Now added some stuff about the 2 types of ambilineal, which I may expand into there own sectrions at some point. Hows this now @Launchballer: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Me Da Wikipedian (talk • contribs)
- Still needs another 42 characters. You should consider installing WP:DYKcheck so you can check yourself.--Launchballer 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Needed to anyway for some minor stuff, how is it now? @Launchballer: Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- In the article, and sign your posts.--Launchballer 16:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Nominated in time. 5x expansion. No QPQ need. Current hook as written is not reflected in the text of the article. Another hook please. --evrik (talk) 01:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nom is blocked and based on behavior likely a sock (but I haven't figured out who yet). Not to mention multiple issues with submission noted above. We have enough work to do, we don't need to be wasting time on this. RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can however respond, here, and I will. It was in the article when it was submitted. Anyways, here is a new one:Did you know that lineages often have religious significance, determining ones religion and there role in that religion
. Also, I do not appreciate unfounded allegations by @RoySmith: that I am wasting their time and a sock. Thank you. @Evrik @Me Da Wikipedian: (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)https://collegeofarms.euclid.int/tracing-roots-the-significance-of-family-trees-in-traditional-societies/
I am posting the above from this this post. The user has suggested:
- Alt2 ... that lineages often have religious significance, determining ones religion and their role in that religion?
- Source: "Links between childhood religious upbringing and current religious identity". Pew Research Center. -
- I am AGF that this user will be welcomed back to the fold. --evrik (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Evrik, to ask for feedback on this nomination at WT:DYK, archive that thread upon receiving negative feedback from Rjjiii, and then approve the nomination without fixing the issues raised is pretty terrible conduct, all things considered. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: my apologies if I have caused some confusion or consternation. Once the author posted an alternate hook I found reasonable, I considered the discussion there moot. Also, in fairness, I archived a bunch of discussions at the same time. As for the comments made by @Rjjiii:, well I didn't consider them negative as much as a suggestion. Honestly, I think the piece was overcited. I did read the passage and thought it matched the citations listed. I have changed one word and I think it all matches up. Hope this addresses your concerns. --evrik (talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
@Me Da Wikipedian:, where does the cited source discuss religion? Rjjiii (talk) 00:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- their reply Rjjiii (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think it actually this source: "Links between childhood religious upbringing and current religious identity". Pew Research Center. --evrik (talk) 04:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- their reply Rjjiii (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 29[edit]
Daniela Kerck
... that when Daniela Kerck directed Puccini's Turandot in her scenic design for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, she played the opera unfinished as it was when the composer died in 1924?Source: [2]- Reviewed:
to come
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2104 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC).
- The article is new enough and long enough. It is properly sourced. Earwig detects some close paraphrasing with this site, so that will need to be resolved before the nomination can be approved. QPQ pending. The hook itself is interesting, but it's a little on the long side and I wonder if it could be simplified to simply:
ALT0a ... that when Daniela Kerck directed Giacomo Puccini's Turandot in 2024, she played the opera unfinished as it was when Puccini died in 1924?
- I included Puccini's full name in the hook as he may not be a composer that is known by name among most readers unlike say Mozart or Beethoven. Apart from the close paraphrasing, my main concern with the article right now is the wording of the hook supporting sentences.
She directed Puccini's Turandot in her sets for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, conducted by Yoel Gamzou. She decided to use none of the three completions of Puccini's opera that was unfinished when he died in 1924. She identified the Prince with the composer. When he died in the end, the beginning of his Requiem was performed.
- It's a bit confusing to get how the hook is connected to this excerpt, though I think the issue here is more about wording, so a copyedit to make the article or at least the passage flow better might solve the issue. Pinging 4meter4 for help in copyediting the article so that the passage would more clearly support the hook. As an aside, the reference supporting the hook needs to be after "when he died in 1924" rather than after the mention of the Requiem.
- I would also like to ask 4meter4 how significant Kerck's directing of this particular performance is or how significant the Internationale Maifestspiele is in the world of opera, but this would not affect the nomination but rather is just a request for additional context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't you say you review my nominations only when they have lingered for weeks? Kindly read the article about the festival, - it was founded after the model of the Bayreuth Festival in the 19th century. Anna Netrebko came to sing Turandot during the festival. [3][4] - Puccini is probably better known than Mozart due to La bohéme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ Narutolovehinata5 The Internationale Maifestspiele is a respected and long standing opera festival that draws a sizable international crowd (typically around 20,000 people+). It is one of the more important opera festivals in Germany, although it isn't as famous as the Bayreuth Festival which is on another level and is probably the most famous opera festival in the world. The Internationale Maifestspiele would be known by anyone who follows opera seriously in Europe, and would probably be immediately recognizable to most people living in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and parts of France (the German speaking parts along the French/German border). I don't think the average person outside of those countries would find it immediately recognizable, but that shouldn't preclude using it in the hook. Turandot is a very famous opera, and even people only nominally familiar with opera would probably either know the name or recognize some of its music. Most people would know Nessun dorma for example which has played in the soundtracks of many films and tv shows, and has been performed on numerous singing competition programs internationally.4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't you say you review my nominations only when they have lingered for weeks? Kindly read the article about the festival, - it was founded after the model of the Bayreuth Festival in the 19th century. Anna Netrebko came to sing Turandot during the festival. [3][4] - Puccini is probably better known than Mozart due to La bohéme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- The hook fact is not accurate in either version of the hook. The opera was not played "unfinished" but ends with the death of Liu by design. There's a long discussion with the director at https://www.staatstheater-wiesbaden.de/download/42624/hsw_ph_turandot_rz_digital_240404.pdf about the crafting of a new ending by Kerck. If one reads through the program they make an argument about why the opera should end with Liu's death, and how Kerck utilized notes and sketches by Puccini to rework a new ending that ends in that place. In other words, we shouldn't suggest that the opera just leaves off where Puccini stopped, because that isn't what this production did. Nor should we call it "unfinished" because it was given a re-worked ending designed by Kerck based on notes left by Puccini and incorporating portions of Puccini's 1905 Requiem. I also note that it is called a "new ending" in the Frankfurter Rundschau review that is cited.
- I also have an issue with the original hook because it seems to say she was 'directing through scenic design' as opposed to staging the production. She staged it and she designed the sets and that isn't at all clear in the first hook. Lastly, the article currently fails the WP:BLPSOURCES guideline because the biographical content is sourced to an opera company website that employs Kerck. @Gerda Arendt this is a repeating problem. Stop using opera company and orchestra website artist bios to write articles. These are not independent sources, and our policies on BLPs require "high quality" (ie independent) sources. That's not negotiable.
- Finally, the last two sentences of the article are very confusing to anybody not familiar with Turandot, and is obviously in error to those who are. The character of the prince (ie Calaf) needs to be explained. Further the text asserts the prince dies and is being conflated with Puccini's death, but Calaf doesn't die in the opera, Liu does. That whole bit seems confusing and to be in error. It doesn't really grasp what the sources are saying accurately. There needs to be plot context, and discussion of the autobiographical nature of Puccini's interaction with the characters from events in his life in order to make it understood what Kerck was actually doing with her original ending which places Liu and her death (not the prince who remains very much alive) at the climax of the opera. @ Narutolovehinata5 If it is alright with you I am going to take over this review because of the factual errors in an area I have some knowledge in. 4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- 4meter4, thank you for clarifying festival and opera. - The hook: it took you several sentences to describe what she did (direct, design the stage, create a new ending with different music than usually ...), - could you kindly offer a wording in 200 chars, or help with it? I think we will have to mention that Puccini left the opera unfinished when he died in 1924 (the year needed because of the centenary), which leaves little room to say more, - I doubt that it's commonly known. How about saying that the performance leaves out the happy ending that he wasn't able to compose? Trying:
- ALT2: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that the composer had not set to music when he died in 1924?
- ALT2a: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that Puccini had not composed when he died in 1924?
- Other ideas welcome. - Which "biographical information" do you think is sourced to an opera company? - This is not yet a reply to the last paragraph, - we had an edit conflict, twice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- After edit conflict: what I saw on stage was that after Liu's death, the Prince/Puccini moves to the grand piano, Turandot follows, kisses him, and he dies (called "Todeskuss" - kiss of death - in one of the reviews), - the new ending. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt I think the tags I placed are self explanatory as to which sources are promotional non-independent sources. I'll take a look at the plot change leading to Calaf's death by looking through more sources. In reading the one interview with Kerck, she specifically emphasized Liu's death as her focus and pointedly named the Prince as complicit in her death through his silence. Regardless, it would seem killing off the prince at the end rather than having him end happily with Turandot would be a hooky fact. I think the emphasis of the hook should de-emphasize Puccini and focus more on Kerck and her original work. The hook language should not cram too many facts in, but should be a focused sentence on a single fact.4meter4 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- I made some changes, adding sources, and dropping the details at the end that you found confusing. I added a newspaper ref for the nomination for the Opera Award. Only, it's subscription only, so I left the University ref for the same fact - that people can actually read - also. (I also don't see that what a university reports about an alumna is "promotional.") I need sleep, and tomorrow is a feast day. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt I think the tags I placed are self explanatory as to which sources are promotional non-independent sources. I'll take a look at the plot change leading to Calaf's death by looking through more sources. In reading the one interview with Kerck, she specifically emphasized Liu's death as her focus and pointedly named the Prince as complicit in her death through his silence. Regardless, it would seem killing off the prince at the end rather than having him end happily with Turandot would be a hooky fact. I think the emphasis of the hook should de-emphasize Puccini and focus more on Kerck and her original work. The hook language should not cram too many facts in, but should be a focused sentence on a single fact.4meter4 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ Gerda, I was able to find more detail in this review which confirms the kiss of death https://magazin.klassik.com/konzerte/reviews.cfm?TASK=review&PID=8178. I would suggest incorporating more detail into Kerck's article highlighting specific changes to the story between her ending and the other traditional endings. A good hook could read something like this: Alt3 ... that Daniela Kerck's new ending to Puccini's Turandot reenvisioned Turandot giving the prince the kiss of death rather than proclaiming her love?4meter4 (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I'm okay with you taking over the review, but given that Puccini isn't a household name and not everyone may know who he is, I'd suggest that any hook mentioning him give his full name. I'll leave it to another reviewer as to whether or not ALT3 is okay but personally I'm not a fan of it since it assumes knowledge of the opera, which not all readers may have. My preference would be more towards some variation of ALT2's hook fact as it seems less specialist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 I would consider Puccini a household name and a commonly known figure. He is a seminal composer in the western canon and one of the most performed and recorded composers of all time, on the same level as Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Bach, etc. Indeed, he gets performed more frequently than Wagner, placing third on the list of most performed composers, surpassing both Beethoven and Bach. I disagree that a full name is needed, or that Puccini could be considered in any way an obscure figure. His operas are ubiquitously performed globally and have been for over a century. According to opera base, in the year 2024 alone there are 681 different professional productions of his operas being staged around the world, and that includes companies in Asia, North and South America, Australia, Africa, and Europe. That doesn't include the many orchestras and concerts that are programing his music as well in 2024. There are very few composers so widely performed across the world, and over such a long period of time. I would think most of our readers would know who Puccini is, and if they don't, they would be the exception. His arias even get sung and recorded by pop and rock singers on occasion which is rare for an opera composer. For example "Nessun dorma" from Turandot has been performed by Adam Lambert, Queen, Jennifer Hudson, Jeff Beck, Josh Groban, Manowar, and Michael Bolton among many other non-opera singers.4meter4 (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- 4meter4, thank you for taking the time! I'm off for the day but reading this when just checking the watch list made the day even better. Recommended listening [5], enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I'm okay with you taking over the review, but given that Puccini isn't a household name and not everyone may know who he is, I'd suggest that any hook mentioning him give his full name. I'll leave it to another reviewer as to whether or not ALT3 is okay but personally I'm not a fan of it since it assumes knowledge of the opera, which not all readers may have. My preference would be more towards some variation of ALT2's hook fact as it seems less specialist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ Gerda, I was able to find more detail in this review which confirms the kiss of death https://magazin.klassik.com/konzerte/reviews.cfm?TASK=review&PID=8178. I would suggest incorporating more detail into Kerck's article highlighting specific changes to the story between her ending and the other traditional endings. A good hook could read something like this: Alt3 ... that Daniela Kerck's new ending to Puccini's Turandot reenvisioned Turandot giving the prince the kiss of death rather than proclaiming her love?4meter4 (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt unless I am missing something in the above lengthy discussion, you have not provided a QPQ. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- You of all people might have known that after returning from a good weekend trip, I first had to deal with the RD article of the day, and then with sourcing M. H.. I am not done (or am I, please check?), and before supplying a qpq, I'll have to source Kerck to your and 4meter4's liking, or not. What an opera company writes about its member is thought to be "promotional". Interesting. What I see is a list of roles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Gerda Arendt. All work products/publications by a performing arts organization are intended as a tool of promotion as well as a tool for information. Opera companies/theatres are businesses and they have an invested interest in promoting their company/theatre and its performers in order to sell tickets. There is a commercial aspect to the performing arts, and the materials that an opera company/theatre produces for public consumption are directly connected to its commercial interests. This is why we should avoid using sources produced by theatres/opera companies as much as possible. Artist bios are written by talent management and PR companies. Most professional singers have a paid talent agent who specializes in marketing opera singers, and those agents often write the bios hosted on theatre/opera company websites. Or the opera company/theatre itself will have an in house PR/marketing staff member responsible for writing those materials. There is therefore, a direct COI with these kinds of sources because they are written as a marketing tool for commercial gain. When possible, its best not to use PR materials of this type for ethical reasons.4meter4 (talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know what you normally read, but I see that Oper Frankfurt and Hessisches Staatstheater write their own bios, and their own high-class program books. - German opera houses in general are public institutions, financed mostly by tax money. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gerda, it's not a completely publicly funded institution. They sell tickets and market their organization. End of story. The fact that they are writing their own content makes it WP:SELFPUBLISHED in addition to having a financial COI. We shouldn't be using materials like this other than in an external link for ethical reasons.4meter4 (talk) 17:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know what you normally read, but I see that Oper Frankfurt and Hessisches Staatstheater write their own bios, and their own high-class program books. - German opera houses in general are public institutions, financed mostly by tax money. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Gerda Arendt. All work products/publications by a performing arts organization are intended as a tool of promotion as well as a tool for information. Opera companies/theatres are businesses and they have an invested interest in promoting their company/theatre and its performers in order to sell tickets. There is a commercial aspect to the performing arts, and the materials that an opera company/theatre produces for public consumption are directly connected to its commercial interests. This is why we should avoid using sources produced by theatres/opera companies as much as possible. Artist bios are written by talent management and PR companies. Most professional singers have a paid talent agent who specializes in marketing opera singers, and those agents often write the bios hosted on theatre/opera company websites. Or the opera company/theatre itself will have an in house PR/marketing staff member responsible for writing those materials. There is therefore, a direct COI with these kinds of sources because they are written as a marketing tool for commercial gain. When possible, its best not to use PR materials of this type for ethical reasons.4meter4 (talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Richmond Theatre (Richmond, Virginia). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 and Gerda Arendt: What is the current status of this nomination? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- The type of sources not accepted by 4meter4 is discussed in the deletion discussion of Magdalena Hinterdobler. I believe we should not run the two parallel but wait for that to close. I also have Pentecost coming up, going to sing, and with little time to provide additional sources. One thing is sure: I'll mostly turn to Bach's cantatas for the rest of the year. No more biographies of living people for a while. Kerck's story, however, is worth telling. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Let us know when you are ready.4meter4 (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Today is still Pentecost, singing in church, lunch with friends. I'll try to get to it tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Today, I had to work on Requiem (Verdi) (premiere 22 May 1874), but interrupted for Kerck:
- I wrote a bit more about Turandot as an exotic story envisioned by a composer at his grand piano who dies over it. Please check. I still think that the kiss of life is just a small instance within this one piece. A hook should introduce to Kerck in general, I would prefer one that mentions a) that she is both director and scenic designer which is unusual, and b) that the storytelling of Turandot is not just some whimsical idea but is related to Puccini's death in 1924 over this opera. I tried that in ALT2, and miss it in your suggestion. Trying to please:
- ALT3:
... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, identified the composer with the Prince, who receives a kiss of death from Turandot when the music he was able to write in 1924 ends? - Wording help welcome, - too long, too complex ...
- Sources: I found a ref for the shortlist. However, I found no ref for some items - masterclasses, thesis - from the Staatstheater website. Are such things "promotional"? How, 4meter4? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- 4meter4, I added another interview and several references about performances. There is now no instance where Hessisches Staatstheater is the only reference. Admittedly, the details mentioned above (teachers, masterclasses, thesis) rely on her website, but I see nothing contentious in these bits. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 cannot be used as it is 252 characters long. I would suggest cutting down all the fat because it is simply too detailed. 4meter4 Do you have a way to shorten it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- What in my "too complex, too long, wording help welcome" did you not understand? Could you help perhaps? Brutally short:
- ALT4: ...
that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, identified the composer with the Prince? - But 4meter4 liked the kiss of death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT5: ...
that when Daniela Kerck directed and designed the scene for Turandot, Puccini's 1924 unfinished opera, for the 2024 International May Festival, she identified the Unknown Prince with the composer? - ALTs 3 to 5 are material to play with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 cannot be used as it is 252 characters long. I would suggest cutting down all the fat because it is simply too detailed. 4meter4 Do you have a way to shorten it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Let us know when you are ready.4meter4 (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- The type of sources not accepted by 4meter4 is discussed in the deletion discussion of Magdalena Hinterdobler. I believe we should not run the two parallel but wait for that to close. I also have Pentecost coming up, going to sing, and with little time to provide additional sources. One thing is sure: I'll mostly turn to Bach's cantatas for the rest of the year. No more biographies of living people for a while. Kerck's story, however, is worth telling. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Gerda, I don't think the whole identifying the composer with the prince fact is working. It's too esoteric, and requires knowledge of the opera and composer to make it interesting. It's probably best to simplify this for a general audience. Perhaps say ....Alt6 ... that for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, stage director and scenic designer Daniela Kerck crafted a new ending to Puccini's unfinished opera Turandot? This is factually accurate, and doesn't require a working knowledge of the opera to understand it. I struck rejected hooks above. If you like this one Gerda, I'll have to ask someone else to approve it.4meter4 (talk) 18:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't like it but I can live with it. I'd prefer mentioning that it was in 1924 that the opera was left unfinished. I thought that the mysterious "Unknown Prince" would raise curiosity, even from someone not particularly interest in opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed.4meter4 (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I'm okay with ALT6, but the article still has the "better source needed" and "promotional source" tags. Those will need to be resolved before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Michael Bednarek, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, that is WP:CANVASSING to ping someone to try and influence a DYK review.4meter4 (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that, sorry. Narutolovehinata5 called you as an expert, I called Michael as an expert of which sources are acceptable. - What makes a reference promotional, its source or its content? - That is the question. I asked you - in a different case - to say what is promotional in a specific source, and still wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- No Gerda, you specifically pinged a partisan editor who already expressed a controversial opinion at an AFD on these kinds of sources with the intent of influencing this discussion in your favor. WP:CANVASS says "Canvassing refers to notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way". You clearly pinged Michael because of his expressed opinions on these kinds of sources at AFD. Not cool to canvas people to influence a DYK review. Further, I was not canvassed. When I was pinged here, there was not an on-going dispute, and I was asked to assist in copy editing the article. Further, at DYK review it is ok for the a reviewer to ask for help /another set of eyes. It's different when you are the nominator and you are trying to get out of doing what a reviewer is telling you by pinging an editor you know is likely to challenge the opinion of the reviewer. That's canvassing and it's unethical. 4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- You questioned not only my behaviour, but also my ethics, a second time. I am speechless. - Michael is on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- No Gerda, you specifically pinged a partisan editor who already expressed a controversial opinion at an AFD on these kinds of sources with the intent of influencing this discussion in your favor. WP:CANVASS says "Canvassing refers to notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way". You clearly pinged Michael because of his expressed opinions on these kinds of sources at AFD. Not cool to canvas people to influence a DYK review. Further, I was not canvassed. When I was pinged here, there was not an on-going dispute, and I was asked to assist in copy editing the article. Further, at DYK review it is ok for the a reviewer to ask for help /another set of eyes. It's different when you are the nominator and you are trying to get out of doing what a reviewer is telling you by pinging an editor you know is likely to challenge the opinion of the reviewer. That's canvassing and it's unethical. 4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that, sorry. Narutolovehinata5 called you as an expert, I called Michael as an expert of which sources are acceptable. - What makes a reference promotional, its source or its content? - That is the question. I asked you - in a different case - to say what is promotional in a specific source, and still wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, that is WP:CANVASSING to ping someone to try and influence a DYK review.4meter4 (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Michael Bednarek, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I'm okay with ALT6, but the article still has the "better source needed" and "promotional source" tags. Those will need to be resolved before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Given the sourcing issues remain unaddressed the nomination cannot move forward until that is sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The kind of sourcing was just accepted for GA Magdalena Hinterdobler. You can call it primary, because it is mostly taken from the subject's personal website, but "promotional"? The Hessian State Theater says about her:
- Deniela Kerck studied Stage Design at the Academy of Fine arts in Vienna as a student of Erich Wonder. She received the Austrian Federal Ministry for Science and Culture's appreciation award for her diploma thesis "Every Room is the Centre of the World". Following her graduation, she worked as an assistant and collaborator with Erich Wonder at the Zurich Opera House, at the Bunka Kaikan in Tokyo, at the State Operas in Berlin and Munich, at La Scala in Milan under the direction of Peter Mussbach and Luc Bondy, and as an assistant director to Johannes Schaaf at the San Francisco War Memorial Opera and at the Aalto Theatre in Essen. Daniela Kerck has realised stage designs at the National Opera in Riga, the Schauspielhaus Wien, Théâtre du Châtelet Paris, Teatro Zarzuela in Madrid and Theater Luzern, among others. From 2014 - 2017, she studied music theatre direction at the University of Music in Karlsruhe with Prof. Andrea Raabe and Prof. Stephan Mösch, as well as attending master classes with Peter Konwitschny and Tatjana Gürbaca. She was a scholarship holder in Monique Wakemarkers' directing workshop at De Niederlande Opera and was a semi-finalist of the RingAward'15 for her interpretation of "Freischütz". She won first prize in the the European Opera Directing Award Competition for the opera "Rusalka", which was staged in Riga. In 2019 she staged the opera "Aida" at the Tyrolean Festival in Erl. Previous productions in Wiesbaden include the plays "Admissions" by Joshua Harmon, "The Minutes" by Tracy Letts and Jörg Widmann's opera "Babylon" as part of the 2022 International May Fesival. In 2022/23 she directs a new production of Dvořák's "Rusalka" (alongside Olesya Golovneva), as well as the world premiere of Søren Nils Eichberg's opera "Oryx and Crake", based on the novel by Margaret Atwood.
- Please let me know, anybody:
- What do you find promotional in this entry?
- Is that even cited in the article?
- Always learning, ---Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I looked now at the article and see that the questioned source is now never used alone but always confirmed by another. We could please 4meter4 and put it in the external links corner. Only: it's the most concise summary in English, so a service to readers not reading German, - why would we hide that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The kind of sourcing was just accepted for GA Magdalena Hinterdobler. You can call it primary, because it is mostly taken from the subject's personal website, but "promotional"? The Hessian State Theater says about her:
Meat diaper, Weight fraud
- ... that pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud?
- Source: Ryan, John M. (19 October 2015). Food Fraud. 3.4.7 Weight Fraud: Academic Press. p. 39. ISBN 978-0-12-803398-2.
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.GobsPint (talk) 00:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
- @GobsPint: - The weight fraud articles has been tagged by @Lovkal:. This needs to be resolved. --evrik (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Article all looks good to me: long enough, new enough, citations look good, and no plagiarism found. However, this hook doesn't sound quite grammatically correct to me. How about: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud? Luiysia (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Case-ready is jargon. Can it be replaced by pre-packaged? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @GobsPint: how's this nomination going? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: It's ready to go. There's some concern about the {{Globalize}} tag that got added to weight fraud...I'm having trouble locating sources for a non-US section on weight fraud...though its evidently occuring.GobsPint (talk) 04:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @GobsPint: how's this nomination going? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Case-ready is jargon. Can it be replaced by pre-packaged? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in pre-packaged meat is a form of weight fraud?
- New reviewer needed to check the above hook (combining Luiysia's proposed rewrite with Femke's request as ALT1a) and to take a look at the Globalize tag in weight fraud to see whether it's an issue that needs to be addressed prior to approval. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 30[edit]
List of roles and awards of Liza Soberano
- ...
that Liza Soberano (pictured) appeared in a biographical episode of Maalaala Mo Kaya playing Miss Universe 2015 winner Pia Wurtzbach?
- Source: Liza plays Miss Universe 2015 Pia Wurtzbach in MMK. June 2, 2017. News.ABS-CBN.com.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 36 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Pseud 14 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
- I'd like to see a more internationally appealing hook than the current one because the hook to me isn't exactly impressive or eye-catching (it basically says that Soberano played a role, which is her job). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt1: ... that Filipino actress Liza Soberano had her Hollywood breakthrough in the 2024 comedy horror Lisa Frankenstein? [6] Pseud 14 (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I guess that's okay too, but do you have any additional suggestions? Article itself seems long enough and new enough at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article is new enough, long enough, is free of close paraphrasing, and is adequately sources. ALT1 (the only hook under consideration) is verified in the source and mentioned in the article. A QPQ ahs been done. I'm still not 100% sure if ALT1 works out in terms of interest or if additional hooks are needed, so I'm passing judgement on ALT1 to a third-party editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would argue that there's nothing too unusual about a Filipino actress in Hollywood; the fact that she's not American is something, but foreign actors aren't exactly, well, foreign. (signed, an Angeleno, for what it's worth) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably have passed ALT1, but after reading Liza Soberano and this, I can suggest ALT2: ... that Liza Soberano (pictured), an actress described by media publications as among the most beautiful Filipino actresses of her generation, played an unattractive exchange student in Just the Way You Are? - but you would need to add that bit from Liza Soberano.--Launchballer 09:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion Launchballer, I am unsure if adding the latter would work because it takes context out of the main article, instead of the nominated article for DYK, and honestly, I see little value of adding that bit on her roles and awards (as those publications are mostly listicles and generally don't count as awards). Having said that, Alt2 may be another iteration of Alt0 - which is a just another role she played. Thoughts? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably have passed ALT1, but after reading Liza Soberano and this, I can suggest ALT2: ... that Liza Soberano (pictured), an actress described by media publications as among the most beautiful Filipino actresses of her generation, played an unattractive exchange student in Just the Way You Are? - but you would need to add that bit from Liza Soberano.--Launchballer 09:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- List is new, long, well sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free, as well as supported with a licensed image (which I doubt will make it to the Main Page). I concur with Narutolovehinata5 that none of the hooks is interesting; on ALT1, for instance, boldlinked article refers to the subject's acting credits, among others, yet only her so-called Hollywood breakthrough is singled out here, which makes her domestic roles inadequate in a way. This can be an interesting hook for a Lisa Frankenstein DYK, but certainly not for this one. Although QPQ has been given, another compelling hook is needed. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can suggest some variant of "that Liza Soberano started her career as a teenager".--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- If this is your alt proposal, then I don't think it's gonna fly, either; it's not unusual for most (if not all) grown actors to start out at a young age. Are there any more? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt3: ... that Liza Soberano began her acting career playing third wheel characters? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt4: ... that after starring in the highest-grossing film of her career, Liza Soberano was named Box Office Queen? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt3 seems interesting, but could use some tweaks,
- If this is your alt proposal, then I don't think it's gonna fly, either; it's not unusual for most (if not all) grown actors to start out at a young age. Are there any more? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can suggest some variant of "that Liza Soberano started her career as a teenager".--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt3a: ... that Liza Soberano's early acting roles include playing the third wheel in romance films? Source: [7]
- If this is OK with you, just add an end-of-sentence citations on it so I can redirect this to another reviewer. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- ALT3a is short enough, sourced, and interesting. Let's roll.--Launchballer 23:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do apologize for the comment given that the nomination has already been approved, but I'm not very confident about ALT3a to be honest. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career as closely as super fans. However, to me at least, ALT3a is a bit reliant on knowing how big Soberano is, and an international reader might not get that context. Honestly I do think ALT2 was actually a better option. Yes it was a role hook, a kind of hook I have mixed opinions about, but the contrast does seem to catch attention and isn't as reliant on knowing about Philippine entertainment as much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- The argument doesn't make sense at all. You're looking from the lens of someone who knows Soberano and not from the POV of an unfamiliar reader. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career - this is exactly what the hook is for–to peak the interest of non-familiar/somewhat familiar readers about the article. This is not to cater to someone who already knows her or to "superfans", which makes your justification completely ironic, since your comment is from the perspective of someone who knows the subject. Having said that, the article is about her "roles and awards" and I don't see the relevance of incorporating her "perceived beauty" in it, which makes Alt2 a no go for me. The hook is supposed to be about her acting career not Soberano in general (or whether she is considered desirable or her appearance in a particular role). It should be fact about something interesting that she had done as an actress and I trust that the non-Filipino reviewers who have weighed in seem to think the latter alternative works. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do apologize for the comment given that the nomination has already been approved, but I'm not very confident about ALT3a to be honest. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career as closely as super fans. However, to me at least, ALT3a is a bit reliant on knowing how big Soberano is, and an international reader might not get that context. Honestly I do think ALT2 was actually a better option. Yes it was a role hook, a kind of hook I have mixed opinions about, but the contrast does seem to catch attention and isn't as reliant on knowing about Philippine entertainment as much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3a is short enough, sourced, and interesting. Let's roll.--Launchballer 23:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 1[edit]
Ditto Pölzl
- ... that the communist trade unionist Ditto Pölzl was a member in all of the three provisional state governments of Styria of 1945?
- Source: Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41. Stiasny Verlag, 1996. p. 157
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 381 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Soman (talk) 12:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New enough, long enough, Earwig notes no notable copyvio. Hook is interesting but on an offline source (Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41) so I am assuming good faith. QPQ is completed. Everything seems to check out! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman and Ornithoptera: This article needs a robust copy edit before it gets anywhere near the main page.--Launchballer 23:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Launchballer, but you'd have to be more specific. If you have a problem with another editors tick, you should explain why. You've left drive-by comments on {toomanysections} on a number of DYK nominations in the recent past, is that the issue? --Soman (talk) 11:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think merging some of the sections would help. I need to go out, but I'll take another look when I get back.--Launchballer 11:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Much of what was winding me up was the fact that many sentences were very short and jumped back and forth, I've merged some of the worst offenders. My "Early life" section header was based purely on the fact that two single-paragraph sections look odd next to two much larger sections, though I suppose this isn't a DYK issue.--Launchballer 09:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also question the WP:DYKINTerestingness of an Austrian politician being an Austrian politician.--Launchballer 10:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure this is the correct forum, but I disagree on applying {toomanysections} rigidly. There is no problem in itself to have sections with 3-4 sentences if and when the material in that section is sufficiently distinct from another section. Sections are supposed to help with readability, and lumping prose together to create larger sections is no goal in itself. In terms of your copy-editing, you are diverging from the source material, such as,
- By mixing the age of joining SPO and being a leader of the left faction, makes it seem like he was a factional leader from the onset
- We have no source for Polzl "joining" the municipal council (presumably he was elected, but we don't have a reference for the exact conditions of entry).
- changing "upon" to "after" regarding his arrest gaves space to interpretation of the timeframe between return and arrest.
- "he and many of its other members" is backed up by what source?
- I'm not saying that there shouldn't be improvements in flow of prose, but copy-editing should not tamper with the referencing. In terms of DYKINTERESTING, I think the key element here is '1945'. This was not an ordinary period in the history of the country, and Polzl is the only Communist Party cadre that had been in the government prior to arrival of Soviet troops as well as remaining in the position after the British takeover. --Soman (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- All I did was reword the text as it appeared, I didn't check it against the references (I don't speak German). Re: "many of its other members", I've cut "many of its", but the article said "Within the Central Committee he was one of those that [...] argued that the party should resign from the Austrian government." - does this not mean that other members argued for it as well?--Launchballer 20:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I started to edit the wording and came across some phrasing where the meaning is not very clear like "
In 1932, he took part in building the Jungfront movement, and in Graz he worked with Otto Fischer and Willy Scholz to challenge the party leadership control over the Jungfront.
". Also, Soman you may want to double check that I've not inadvertently changed any meaning. Rjjiii (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure this is the correct forum, but I disagree on applying {toomanysections} rigidly. There is no problem in itself to have sections with 3-4 sentences if and when the material in that section is sufficiently distinct from another section. Sections are supposed to help with readability, and lumping prose together to create larger sections is no goal in itself. In terms of your copy-editing, you are diverging from the source material, such as,
- I think merging some of the sections would help. I need to go out, but I'll take another look when I get back.--Launchballer 11:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Launchballer, but you'd have to be more specific. If you have a problem with another editors tick, you should explain why. You've left drive-by comments on {toomanysections} on a number of DYK nominations in the recent past, is that the issue? --Soman (talk) 11:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 2[edit]
Peewee Jarrett
- ... that Peewee Jarrett went from having no offers to play college football, a two-year span with no playing time, and being "set on quitting football", to signing into the National Football League?
- Source: Des Moines Register (all but NFL) Pensacola News Journal (for signing into NFL)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zer0
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ remains missing BeanieFan11. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Bar Kokhba refuge caves
- ... that towards the end of the Bar Kokhba revolt, Jewish families escaping the Roman army sought shelter in refuge caves in the Judaean Desert?
- Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
- ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the Judaean Desert? Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Mariamnei (talk) 08:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC).
- Mariamnei you have five nominations so you will need to provide a WP:QPQ. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29, I have done it, thanks. Mariamnei (talk) 11:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 4[edit]
Qin Huasun
... that when Qin Huasun was the Permanent Representative of China to the UN, China vetoed UNSC resolutions of sending United Nations peacekeeping forces to Guatemala and Macedonia?
- Source: Guatemala: China Asserts Taiwan's Ties To Guatemala Led to Veto
Macedonia: China Vows Veto of Macedonia Force Renewal
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Toadboy123 (talk) 12:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not interesting and a coatrack, since Huasun is surely not the person who made these decisions. (t · c) buidhe 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: As Qin represented his country in the UNSC, he made the decision based on his country's political position. However, prior to 2011, China's vetoes in the UNSC were rare and only four times [9] were it used prior to the start of the 21st century. Since the mentioned vetoes were related to sending peacekeeping troops, it might be interesting as the users would look into the article to see why the peacekeeping resolutions were vetoed. However, if you any ideas for another hook in the article or if I should modify it in a certain phrasing, I am happy to consider that. - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- Yes, I know how the UN works. Certainly the hook phrasing makes it sound like a coatrack. Frankly not all articles are suited for DYK and this one may not be. Peacekeeping is not inherently dull but UN resolutions can be, especially if there is no real information what the vote is really about. Furthermore, the article as it stands does not qualify due to sourcing. (t · c) buidhe 13:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: Is there anything that I should do to improve the article such as adding more reliable sources or expanding the information regarding the reasons of the vetoed resolutions so that the article can be featured in DYK ? Or does the article does not have the information much needed for the DYK? I can improve the article based on your suggestions but if you feel there is no room for it in DYK then you can cancel this nomination. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Buidhe: I have added detailed information on the vetoed UN resolutions. Let me know if anything more has to be done. - Toadboy123 (talk) 06:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Buidhe: Is there anything that I should do to improve the article such as adding more reliable sources or expanding the information regarding the reasons of the vetoed resolutions so that the article can be featured in DYK ? Or does the article does not have the information much needed for the DYK? I can improve the article based on your suggestions but if you feel there is no room for it in DYK then you can cancel this nomination. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- Yes, I know how the UN works. Certainly the hook phrasing makes it sound like a coatrack. Frankly not all articles are suited for DYK and this one may not be. Peacekeeping is not inherently dull but UN resolutions can be, especially if there is no real information what the vote is really about. Furthermore, the article as it stands does not qualify due to sourcing. (t · c) buidhe 13:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: As Qin represented his country in the UNSC, he made the decision based on his country's political position. However, prior to 2011, China's vetoes in the UNSC were rare and only four times [9] were it used prior to the start of the 21st century. Since the mentioned vetoes were related to sending peacekeeping troops, it might be interesting as the users would look into the article to see why the peacekeeping resolutions were vetoed. However, if you any ideas for another hook in the article or if I should modify it in a certain phrasing, I am happy to consider that. - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- Since I have not heard any response from the previous reviewer, can a new reviewer check the updates to the hook I made and if it is good to go? - Toadboy123 (talk) 03:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC).
- Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. As written, the biography section would deserve {{subsections}}, and much of its early paragraphs can feel more than a bit WP:Proseline at times and would deserve {{prose}}. None of the hook has an end-of-sentence citation, and given that WP:CLUMP says that "more than three [references] should generally be avoided", I'm not going through four. Take your time, and ping me when these are remedied.--Launchballer 10:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have made the edits to the article based on the suggestions you made. Check and let me know if it is good to go now. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- It's a bit better, but you need a cite for "February 2000".--Launchballer 14:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Added citation. Let me know if all is good now. - Toadboy123 (talk) 03:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's a bit better, but you need a cite for "February 2000".--Launchballer 14:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have made the edits to the article based on the suggestions you made. Check and let me know if it is good to go now. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. As written, the biography section would deserve {{subsections}}, and much of its early paragraphs can feel more than a bit WP:Proseline at times and would deserve {{prose}}. None of the hook has an end-of-sentence citation, and given that WP:CLUMP says that "more than three [references] should generally be avoided", I'm not going through four. Take your time, and ping me when these are remedied.--Launchballer 10:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pulled hook per interestingness of hook issue brought up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 2. SL93 (talk) 19:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SL93: In that case, you can terminate this hook. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reopening per WT:DYK.--Launchballer 08:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Since this was pulled back from Prep with a hook issue, and there isn't an approved one on this page, this shouldn't be given a tick, Launchballer. I've struck the hook above per nominator Toadboy123, and directly below is the last part of the discussion from WT:DYK#Qin Huasun, followed by a restatement of the proposed hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reopening per WT:DYK.--Launchballer 08:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SL93: In that case, you can terminate this hook. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- How about:
- ... that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a "brazen attempt ... aimed at splitting a sovereign state"? although https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/240758/files/A_52_255-EN.pdf would probably be a better source for that than what's there now. RoySmith (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- From the above section, here's the hook ("aimed" dropped per discussion) with an ALT label:
- ALT1: ... that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a "brazen attempt ... at splitting a sovereign state"?
- New reviewer needed for ALT1. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- From the above section, here's the hook ("aimed" dropped per discussion) with an ALT label:
Articles created/expanded on May 5[edit]
Adnan al-Bursh
- ... that Palestinian doctor Adnan al-Bursh, who recently died in Israeli prison, was head of orthopedics at the Gaza Strip's largest medical facility, Al-Shifa Hospital?
Makeandtoss (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Makeandtoss Is the part about dying in an Israeli prison really necessary? Also, hooks are not supposed to change, so I would recommend changing recently to something else. Also, way too much focus on his death. (In the article) 48JCL (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss The fact that Adnan al-Bursh was head of orthopedics in a hospital is not "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest".
Articles created/expanded on May 6[edit]
Homeworld: Vast Reaches
- ... that one reviewer said that the VR real-time strategy game Homeworld: Vast Reaches is an "unsatisfying lite" version of the series?
- Source: "Homeworld: Vast Reaches is less a virtual reality reinvention of this legendary space RTS than it is an unsatisfying lite version for the Meta Quest 2 and 3." [10]
- ALT1: ... that the mixed reality mode in the real-time strategy virtual reality game Homeworld: Vast Reaches allows virtual ships to fly around the player's room? Source: "I was impressed by the unexpected ease of playing the game, but I wasn’t blown away until we switched over to Mixed Reality. In Passthrough Mode on the Quest 3, the blackness of outer space disappears, replaced with the real-life environment you’re physically in. Suddenly, the hotel room where I demoed the game became the setting of a thrilling dogfight. A bomber swooped in front of the TV set while enemy ships soared over the bed. It was quite a sight, but it was also very confusing." [11]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fang Yi'ai
- Comment: Prefer ALT1, but it's tough to make it work with WP:DYKFICTION – I've attempted to thread the needle here. If I need more ALTs, happy to pull them.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Nomader (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Nomader: How would you feel about the following?
- ALT1a: ...that within the mixed reality mode of Homeworld: Vast Reaches ships seem to fly around the player's room? CSJJ104 (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that new hook has been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 7[edit]
Toro de fuego
- ... that toros de fuego, bulls of fire, are used in festivals instead of real bulls?
- Alt 1a ... that bulls of fire are used in festivals instead of real bulls?
- Alt2 ... that while the people of San Sebastián use flaming bovine puppets during their great week festival, the puppets are not "great bulls of fire"?"
- Source: "Playing with Fire". Running of the Bulls. 2018-03-27. Retrieved 2020-11-29.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 114 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.--evrik (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- Fixed. --evrik (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: - I think this may be a candidate for Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know. What do you think? --evrik (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
evrik, I do not have full access to El Pais. Can you recheck the second paragraph of Background, the one on San Sebastián, to make sure that text is supported? Either way, I suggest adding more details from El Pais. The detail will help the article and provide good hooks. Sparks flying 1.5m from 30 running metal fire bulls; that's a hook. CMD (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- CMD, I put the text here. The point may be moot as that section just got reorganized when I fixed the links. "Sparks flying 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) from 30 running metal fire bulls" - I'm thinking about it. --evrik (talk) 16:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Laura Veale
- ... that Laura Veale was the first Yorkshire-born woman to be qualified as a doctor?
- Source: Several, including: Harrogate Advertiser: "Hampsthwaite commemorates North Yorkshire’s first female doctor Laura Sobey Veale". Note: This fact has had to be carefully interpreted. It was initially expressed as "the first Yorkshire woman to become a doctor" on the brown plaque, pictured in the article and written by the eminent Harrogate historian Malcolm Neesam. He meant "Yorkshire-born". However it has since been interpreted to mean that she was the first female doctor to practise in Yorkshire, which would be incorrect. Edith Pechey was the first qualified woman doctor to practise in Yorkshire, but she was born in Essex, so to local understanding she was definitely not a "Yorkshire woman" (they are very parochially-minded here). Veale was born in Yorkshire.
- Reviewed: Sonja van den Ende
- Comment: Created in userspace over some weeks from 15 March, then moved to mainspace on 6 May.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 105 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Storye book (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC).
- The article was moved to mainspace yesterday, so is new enough. It is far more than long enough and properly uses in-line citations (perhaps even more so than necessary for some sentences). The copyvio detector doesn't find anything other than names of things and quotes that are properly used in the article. The hook is short enough, interesting, and is cited inline. The QPQ has been done and there's no image to review. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 20:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review, Silver seren Re the "even more so than necessary", you'll find that some experienced editors are doing that for a good reason. For example, if you have a "first" in the article, that is going to be automatically questioned and double-checked, and rightly so. Therefore, it is worth finding as many different, independent sources as possible for that "first" and including them all in the article. There is also the fact that some sources may be accessible to some readers (e.g. readers with a subscription, readers in the UK, etc.) and some source may not be accessible to all (e.g. readers outside the UK or without subscription), so it's worth giving them a few alternative sources. A third reason is that various sources give different aspects to the same fact, and some sources also include extra facts which the editor chooses not to include in the article, but which are extremely interesting. In the cast of historical articles, contemporary sources may give the historical standpoint on the matter. Extra sources containing additional facts may also allow other editors to expand the article. Nothing is wasted in this particular article, and there is a reason for everything. Storye book (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book and Silver seren: The relevant policy is WP:CLUMP, which says that "Two or three [citations] may be preferred for more controversial material or as a way of preventing linkrot for online sources, but more than three should generally be avoided; if four or more are needed, consider bundling (merging) the citations." I'm afraid it would deserve {{clump}}, and I think your explanation on this page would constitute WP:SYNTH anyway.--Launchballer 11:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for removing the surplus reference. I notice there are several unattributed quotes, including (but not limited to) "the first Yorkshire[-born] woman to become a doctor" and the "by all reports" sentence after it, that are not attributed in text, and I think they should be.--Launchballer 19:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book and Silver seren: The relevant policy is WP:CLUMP, which says that "Two or three [citations] may be preferred for more controversial material or as a way of preventing linkrot for online sources, but more than three should generally be avoided; if four or more are needed, consider bundling (merging) the citations." I'm afraid it would deserve {{clump}}, and I think your explanation on this page would constitute WP:SYNTH anyway.--Launchballer 11:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Edit conflict. @Launchballer: (1) There are now no groups of more than three citations in the article. (2) Synth is about article content. It does not govern discussions on DYK templates, article talk pages or user talk pages. It is permissible to give one's opinion on DYK templates (how often have you seen the opinion "I don't like that hook"?) Neither is Synth about the grouping together of two or more references which support the relevant fact, and just so happen to contain extra material which may or may not also be useful where the fact is controversial. I shall look at the unattributed quotations. Storye book (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have now added attributions in words to all the remaining quotations, except where the quotations were just one or two words. It doesn't look right to me, because the quotations are already cited at their ends, but I have done it since you asked, to keep the peace. Storye book (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Edit conflict. @Launchballer: (1) There are now no groups of more than three citations in the article. (2) Synth is about article content. It does not govern discussions on DYK templates, article talk pages or user talk pages. It is permissible to give one's opinion on DYK templates (how often have you seen the opinion "I don't like that hook"?) Neither is Synth about the grouping together of two or more references which support the relevant fact, and just so happen to contain extra material which may or may not also be useful where the fact is controversial. I shall look at the unattributed quotations. Storye book (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unpromoted per Special:Diff/1227320336 RoySmith (talk) 01:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that despite the contemporary misogyny of the medical profession in her home county of Yorkshire, Laura Veale was accepted for medical training at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School? (186 characters) (Source: The BMJ: "She decided) to enter the medical profession at a time when this was a particularly difficult step for women to take. In fact the medical school in Leeds shut its doors to her, and she had to go to the more liberal-minded University of London to pursue her studies, passing the London M.B. in 1904".) Note: the Royal Free Hospital Medical School was then run under the auspices of the University of London. Storye book (talk) 10:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that despite the misogyny of the medical profession in her home county, Laura Veale was accepted for medical training at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School?
Note: to promoter: Please use the picture or not as you wish, but I am sure that you will not discard the picture on the sole grounds of not being a pretty girl, because she had quite enough misogyny in her lifetime. Thank you.. Storye book (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Oops. Forgot that the image is not yet free. Storye book (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 8[edit]
Unified (concert)
- ... that before co-headlining the concert Unified, Sarah Geronimo (pictured) won a singing contest that Regine Velasquez presented?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sikidy
Pseud 14 (talk) 14:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not really a fan of the hook as unless the reader is familiar with either Geronimo or Velasquez, the hook may not be that appealing. To me it really only seems to appeal either to major fans of either artist. The full review is to follow but in the meantime I'm pinging Launchballer for any ideas for possible hooks that would also appeal even to non-Filipino audiences. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll admit to being surprised at the inclusion of "Pride (In the Name of Love)" and "What the World Needs Now is Love" in the same concert, although the latter has not much more name recognition. I can also suggest the following:
- ALT1: ... that prices for the Sarah Geronimo (pictured) and Regine Velasquez concert Unified ranged from ₱560 to ₱11,200?
- ALT2: ... that the Sarah Geronimo (pictured) and Regine Velasquez concert Unified was sponsored by an oral hygiene company?
- I also suggest ALT3: ... that after judging a singing contest won by Sarah Geronimo (pictured), Regine Velasquez co-headlined a concert with her? as a snappier rearrangement of ALT0.--Launchballer 09:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: ALT2 actually sounds good! However, I do wonder if having Colgate mentioned explicitly could work as an alternative option for the promoter. Will just wait for Pseud 14's thoughts on the new hooks before proceeding with the review. I'm not really a fan of ALT1 as if a reader is unfamiliar with the value of the Peso it makes less sense. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think the interesting bit of ALT1 is 'some tickets were 20 times more expensive', and I would expect a {{convert}} template to be added to it anyway. I vaguely recall someone moaning at WT:DYK about currently available commercial products, but I can propose:
- ALT2a: ... that the Sarah Geronimo (pictured) and Regine Velasquez concert Unified was sponsored by Colgate?
- ALT2b: ... that the Sarah Geronimo (pictured) and Regine Velasquez concert Unified was sponsored by Colgate, an oral hygiene company?--Launchballer 10:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for suggesting alternative hooks Launchballer, I would go with the Alt3 hook you suggested - I disagree that "appeal" is only limited to fans of both artist. The reason for said hook is to establish that there is a history between both artists before doing the collaboration. You don't have to be familiar with them to be made aware that this fact, interestingly enough, exists. I would probably change "judging" to "hosting" or "presenting". (Alt2 I find is too common. Anyone can say an artist's concert or tour was sponsored by Pepsi) Pseud 14 (talk) 17:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair cop, may I suggest ALT3a: ... that after presenting a televised singing contest won by Sarah Geronimo (pictured), Regine Velasquez co-headlined a concert with her?--Launchballer 17:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer I'm good with your suggestion. As you are someone unfamiliar with them, what you put forward works. Thanks for your help on this. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair cop, may I suggest ALT3a: ... that after presenting a televised singing contest won by Sarah Geronimo (pictured), Regine Velasquez co-headlined a concert with her?--Launchballer 17:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for suggesting alternative hooks Launchballer, I would go with the Alt3 hook you suggested - I disagree that "appeal" is only limited to fans of both artist. The reason for said hook is to establish that there is a history between both artists before doing the collaboration. You don't have to be familiar with them to be made aware that this fact, interestingly enough, exists. I would probably change "judging" to "hosting" or "presenting". (Alt2 I find is too common. Anyone can say an artist's concert or tour was sponsored by Pepsi) Pseud 14 (talk) 17:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: ALT2 actually sounds good! However, I do wonder if having Colgate mentioned explicitly could work as an alternative option for the promoter. Will just wait for Pseud 14's thoughts on the new hooks before proceeding with the review. I'm not really a fan of ALT1 as if a reader is unfamiliar with the value of the Peso it makes less sense. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Article appears to be new enough and long enough. A QPQ has been provided, and the hooks are cited inline. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Climate change in Asia
- ... that climate change in Asia will increase flood risks in the continent's cities, which are already high for 932 million people?
- Source: [1]: 1532
InformationToKnowledge (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ Shaw, R., Y. Luo, T. S. Cheong, S. Abdul Halim, S. Chaturvedi, M. Hashizume, G. E. Insarov, Y. Ishikawa, M. Jafari, A. Kitoh, J. Pulhin, C. Singh, K. Vasant, and Z. Zhang, 2022: Chapter 10: Asia. In Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability [H.-O. Pörtner, D. C. Roberts, M. Tignor, E. S. Poloczanska, K. Mintenbeck, A. Alegría, M. Craig, S. Langsdorf, S. Löschke, V. Möller, A. Okem, B. Rama (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, New York, US, pp. 1457–1579 |doi=10.1017/9781009325844.012.
Florida Hospital Oceanside
- ... that Florida Hospital Oceanside in Ormond Beach, Florida was demolished after being damaged by Hurricane Irma?
- ALT1: ... that an administrator of Florida Hospital Oceanside was arrested by the DEA for prescription drug fraud? Source: https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/lifestyle/health-fitness/2017/02/08/florida-hospital-oceanside-administrator-charged-in-prescription-drug-fraud/22515051007/
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Catfurball (talk) 15:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 9[edit]
AdventHealth North Pinellas
- ... that AdventHealth does not own AdventHealth North Pinellas, instead they lease it from the city of Tarpon Springs?
- Reviewed:
Catfurball (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC).
Here We Go... Again
... that in the song "Here We Go... Again", The Weeknd claims that he can make his lover "scream like Neve Campbell"?
- Reviewed:
𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 22:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Great work on the article, AskeeaeWiki! I do love the hook, with The Weeknd claiming that he could make his lover scream like a horror genre actress? That's wild! Anyway, there's just one issue that I have – there's a Distractify source used in the article, which is considered unreliable; I feel like there could be a more reliable source out there that verifies the fact that he "repeatedly tells his partner that he is willing to marry if she signs a prenuptial agreement, to keep his assets if they separate". Other than that, I have no other concerns, and happy to approve afterward. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Tails Wx Thank you! I have to thank PSA (GA reviewer) for really helping me tone down some unreliable sources and some of the wordiness. I decided to reuse the USA today source and shortened it. Hopefully that's better. Cheers! 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 09:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Noting here that this was pulled following discussion at WT:DYK.--Launchballer 18:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Needs a new hook. Valereee (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- This won't be ready for a new reviewer until the new hook is ready. Changing symbol to reflect this. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Needs a new hook. Valereee (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 10[edit]
Han Bong-zin
- ... that footballer Han Bong-zin was alleged to be better than Pelé?
- Source: Sunday Mirror ("The outstanding North Korean footballer is ... Han Bong Jin [a variation of Han Bong-zin]. Pyongyang (The Capital) Radio describes the winger modestly: 'A footballer who overshadows the world-renowned Brazilian player [Pelé]'") / Grimsby Evening Telegraph ("Han Bong Zin is the man described by Pyongyang Radio as 'better than Pele'")
- ALT1: ... that footballer Han Bong-zin was alleged to "overshadow" Pelé? Source: same
- ALT2: ... that the North Korean government claimed footballer Han Bong-zin was better than Pelé? Source: same
- ALT3: ... that the North Korean state-run media claimed footballer Han Bong-zin was better than Pelé? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Caitlyn Wurzburger
- Comment: Regarding ALT2/ALT3: the sources say that it was "Pyongyang Radio". That sounds like a government/state-run program, especially since, if I remember right, the only media in North Korea is state-owned. Let me know about your thoughts on whether it is correct to describe it as the NK government/state making the claims.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
Review by Brachy08
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Overall: Brachy08 (Talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I highly doubt his notability based off a previous AfD discussion, but since the article expanded a lot, I think it is worth a shot. Unfortunately the source you gave is unreliable as it is a tabloid. And not that interested in "X is going to take over Y" kinds of facts. Otherwise, DYK would be filled with statements like "Did you know that Disney+ is going to take over Netflix as the top streaming service"? Brachy08 (Talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: The prior AFD was very poor as none of the editors looked at Newspapers.com or discussed the fact that he's one of seven players whose life story is chronicled in the film The Game of Their Lives (SIGCOV) or that failing all else, this clearly passes WP:NBASIC (but features like Han Bong Jin-he dribbles like Garrincha, shoots like Charlton are clearly SIGCOV for GNG).
As for the sources itself, being a tabloid alone is not enough to disqualify a source as far as I'm aware. Neither does the Grimsby Evening Telegraph even appear to be a tabloid(?).
Regarding the hook, I still think it interesting as an extremely obscure player being allegedly better than possibly the greatest ever (this isn't "X is going to overtake"); that its a nation's government making the claim only adds more interest (and North Korea another added twist).
Should I request another reviewer to analyze? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC) - You can if you like. However, even if the player is very obscure, and yeah he is, still doesn’t really spark any interest. Brachy08 (Talk) 13:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: Thought of another one, in case the others don't work – what about:
- @Brachy0008: The prior AFD was very poor as none of the editors looked at Newspapers.com or discussed the fact that he's one of seven players whose life story is chronicled in the film The Game of Their Lives (SIGCOV) or that failing all else, this clearly passes WP:NBASIC (but features like Han Bong Jin-he dribbles like Garrincha, shoots like Charlton are clearly SIGCOV for GNG).
- Alt4 ... that footballer Han Bong-zin trained in the military every day for four years in preparation for the FIFA World Cup? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 can pass. Seems a lot more interesting than the rest. Also, source? Brachy08 (Talk) 00:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- My unsolicited comment. I think the article meets the DYK criteria, and the Alt 3, or something like that is the most interesting. --evrik (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: See Liverpool Daily Post:
For the last four years of his football career Han Bong Jin — like the rest of his colleagues -- has been preparing for the 1966 World Cup. When the North Koreans reorganised their football organisation he was one of those taken from his club and added to a squad of 40 players to be employed by the Army ... who trained for football twice a day.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)- @BeanieFan11: unfortunately, that is a tabloid, and thus unreliable. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: How'd you determine that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: searching it up. tabloids are usually unreliable bc they put stuff in a sensationalist light. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: I meant, how did you determine that the Liverpool Daily Post is an unreliable tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: tabloids are usually unreliable on wikipedia standards. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that, but I'm not seeing that this paper specifically was a tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- See Liverpool Daily Post. The infobox says that it is a tabloid. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- That links to the newspaper size tabloid, not necessarily that they engaged in tabloid journalism (though some do both). It doesn't seem the paper is at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources or has even been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I'll request another opinion on this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- See Liverpool Daily Post. The infobox says that it is a tabloid. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that, but I'm not seeing that this paper specifically was a tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: tabloids are usually unreliable on wikipedia standards. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: I meant, how did you determine that the Liverpool Daily Post is an unreliable tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: searching it up. tabloids are usually unreliable bc they put stuff in a sensationalist light. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: How'd you determine that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: unfortunately, that is a tabloid, and thus unreliable. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: See Liverpool Daily Post:
- Alt4 ... that footballer Han Bong-zin trained in the military every day for four years in preparation for the FIFA World Cup? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Without speaking to the specific reliability and usage of Liverpool Daily Post in this instance, BeanieFan11 is correct. "Tabloid" has two different meanings, of which the infobox usage is very different than the secondary use by Brachy0008, which is shorthand for tabloid journalism, which in turn used to refer to specific tabloids with red mastheads, known as red tops. Our article on tabloid journalism makes this distinction a bit more clear: "Not all newspapers associated with tabloid journalism are tabloid size, and not all tabloid-size newspapers engage in tabloid journalism." Viriditas (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- My college newspaper was printed tabloid style, but we were not a "tabloid." As long as the source does not run afoul of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, it should be okay. --evrik (talk) 02:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Brachy0008: can you address the responses? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Party of Revolutionary Communism, Vladimir Zitta, Grigorii Nikolaevich Maksimov, Evgenia Semenovskaya, Vladimir Bezel
- ... that in 1919 Vladimir Zitta, Evgenia Semenovskaya and G. N. Maksimov were expelled from the Party of Revolutionary Communism for having advocated unity with other populist sectors?
- Source: Память, Issue 3. Khronika Press, 1980. p. 384
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Theo Benedet, Template:Did you know nominations/Herschel the sea lion, Template:Did you know nominations/Kenji Tanigaki (2 articles), Template:Did you know nominations/Vasantha Krishna Prasad
Soman (talk) 21:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment ok to add Vladimir Bezel as a fifth article for this nom? (moved to mainspace today). The ALT1 hook would be "... that in 1919 Vladimir Zitta, Evgenia Semenovskaya, Vladimir Bezel and G. N. Maksimov were expelled from the Party of Revolutionary Communism for having advocated unity with other populist sectors?" One more QPQ would be needed. --Soman (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added in Vladimir Bezel into the template and added a 5th article QPQ. --Soman (talk) 14:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Manganese nitride
- ... that making manganese nitride alloys requires a sponge?
- Source: Lihl, Franz; Ettmayer, Peter; Kutzelnigg, Alfred (1962). "Beitrag zum System Mangan-Stickstoff" [Report on the manganese-nitrogen system]. Zeitschrift für Metallkunde (in German). 53 (11). DeGruyter: 715. doi:10.1515/ijmr-1962-531104; also comparison between Prelinger, Otto (10 May 1894). "Über Stickstoffverbindungen des Mangans" [On the nitrogen compounds of manganese] (PDF). Monatshefte für Chemie und verwandte Teile anderer Wissenschaften (in German): 391–401 and Mekata Mamoru; Haruna Junsuke; Takaki Hideo (July 1968) [29 Jan 1968]. "Neutron diffraction study of antiferromagnetic Mn2N". Journal of the Physical Society of Japan. 23 (1): 234–238. doi:10.1143/JPSJ.25.234.
- ALT1: ... that no binary manganese nitride salts are known with manganese oxidized past +3, but the stablest nitridomanganate ion is a manganese(V) derivative? Source: Niewa, R. (2002) [21 Aug 2001]. "Nitridocompounds of manganese". Z. Kristallogr. 217. Munich: Oldenbourg Wissenschaftsverlag: 8–23. doi:10.1524/zkri.217.1.8.20801.
- ALT2: ... that many manganese nitride compounds are known, but only one is a ferromagnet? Source: Gokcen, N. A. (1990). "The Mn-N (manganese-nitrogen) system". Bulletin of Alloy Phase Diagrams. 11 (1): 33–42. doi:10.1007/bf02841582.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gherardo Gambelli
Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 23:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but ALT0 is by far the best hook here, and I'd be inclined to strike the others.--Launchballer 14:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Xenophon of Robeika
- ...
that when his vita was lost, the life story of Xenophon of Robeika had to be rewritten?
- Source: Ankudinov, I. Yu. (2016). Ксенофонтов Робейский Николаевский монастырь [Xenophon Robeysky Nikolaevsky Monastery]. Novgorod Archive Bulletin. Vol. 13. Veliky Novgorod. pp. 83–84.
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--evrik (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC).
- Wow, I love this hook. Article is long enough and 5x expanded as of today, Earwig finds no copyvio, sourcing looks good and I'm AGFing on the languages I can't read (DeepL translation shows me it lines up). Hook is cited, again AGF because I can't be certain, given that I can't read Russian, and your QPQ is good. Zanahary (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Zanahary: This saint's day is June 28. Would you mind dropping this in the Wikipedia:SOHA for that day? --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Evrik and Zanahary: please could you double check the source for the hook? I found it online via Academia.edu here. My reading is that Ankudinov thinks that there was only oral tradition before the 18th-century vita. After discussing two 17th century documents, the sentence on pages 86 and 87 says "Возможно, это свидетельствует о том, что к этому времени текст Жития Ксенофонта еще не сложился, и среди населения бытовали лишь устные предания о преподобном. [Perhaps this indicates that by this time the text of the Life of Xenophon had not yet been formed, and only oral traditions about the saint existed among the population. via Google translate]". TSventon (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon: how about:
- Alt1 ... that the life story of Xenophon of Robeika was written centuries after his death?
- That is accurate, I am not sure it is surprising. I think the article needs some work, hopefully Чръный человек can help. TSventon (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon and Чръный человек: I'm sure there is a simple editing fix, but I'm not clear how to edit this to make people happy. I went with the best and most consistent sourcing I had available to me. I'm willing to share author credit with someone who can reconcile the differences. --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is accurate, I am not sure it is surprising. I think the article needs some work, hopefully Чръный человек can help. TSventon (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Evrik: Could you share the excerpt that supports the loss of an earlier vita? Zanahary (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Came to respond to a request by Evrik on my user talk to move this to SOHA, but it sounds like Zanahary had remaining questions about the hook source, was asking for a quote? Valereee (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 12[edit]
Guardian Cap
- ... that Guardian Caps (pictured) have made players feel like bobbleheads?
- Reviewed: Amen break
- Comment: QPQ to come. Open to ALTs and open to running without image, although I think this is a good article for the image slot on DYK
Soulbust (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Soulbust: Please complete a QPQ and link to it above. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Ceasefire proposal for Israel–Hamas war (May 5)
- ... that celebrations happened in the Gaza Strip after Hamas accepted an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal?
- ALT1: ... that Hamas accepted an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal under which it would agree not to rebuild its military arsenal? Source: [16]
- ALT2: ... that CIA Director William J. Burns played a key role in drafting an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal that Hamas accepted? Source: [17] [18]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Julius Welschof
VR (Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).
- The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
FortunateSons here is another suggestion:
- ALT3: ... on May 31, Joe Biden presented a three-phase ceasefire proposal that was welcomed by Hamas but opposed by some members of the Israeli cabinet? Source: [19][20]
VR (Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Vice regent This is definitely better, but I would like an uninvolved person to evaluate it. Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Issue with hook 2 (and maybe hook 3 as well): The claim may be factually incorrect or misleading. Another reliable source claims that Hamas is not ready to give up its weapons: ""Hamas will not surrender its guns or sign a proposal that asks for that,” Arab mediators said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar told them in a brief message they received Thursday, as two top U.S. officials, including Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, hold talks in the region aimed at jump-starting long-stalled negotiations." Vegan416 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Grace A. Johnson
- ... that Grace A. Johnson's traditional view that women belonged at home changed after attending a pro-suffrage meeting in Cambridge, England, in 1907? Source: Berenson, Barbara F. (August 27, 2020). "Johnson, Grace Allen". American National Biography. New York: Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/anb/9780198606697.013.369350. (subscription required) (can be freely accessed via Wikipedia Library), Biographical Sketch of Grace A. Johnson
- ALT0a: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially held the traditional view that women belonged at home, but her perspective shifted after attending a pro-suffrage meeting in Cambridge, England in 1907? Source: Same as above
- ALT0b: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially held the traditional view that women belonged at home, but her perspective shifted after attending a pro-suffrage meeting in England in 1907? Source: same as above
- ALT1: ... that Grace A. Johnson initially opposed American entry into World War I, but eventually supported the war effort after the United States declared war in 1917? Source: [1]
- ALT1a: ... that after initially opposing the United States' entry into World War I, Grace A. Johnson eventually came to support the war effort when the US declared the war in 1917? Source: same as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WJHP-TV
X (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC).
References
Interstate 85 in North Carolina
- ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).
- It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
- ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
- I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
References
Vinland Saga (TV series)
- ... that the 3D CGI animation of Vinland Saga was inspired by the work of Shūhei Yabuta in Attack on Titan and Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the Vinland Saga anime series took liberties from the manga to properly show Thorfinn's transformation into a Viking as new scenes were added? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that for the second season of Vinland Saga there was a proper attempt to humanize the slave Thorfinn in contrast to the benevolent owner Ketil who becomes more violent the more he appears? Source: [3]
- Reviewed:
Tintor2 (talk) 16:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC).
- I found multiple problems with the article, and fixed some prose, neutrality issues and a copyvio (long quote violating fair use). At this point I've edited the article too much to review it. I just want to caution the DYK reviewer to not rely on the quick-pass at GAN. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
@Reidgreg: Thanks for the help and advice. I'll try doing the same with other articles.Tintor2 (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Creators Interviews Series #04 – Shūhei Yabuta". Prezzee. Archived from the original on January 13, 2021. Retrieved June 17, 2023.
- ^ Cardine, Kyle (August 9, 2022). "INTERVIEW: VINLAND SAGA Creator, Staff on Returning to the Viking Epic for Season 2". Crunchyroll. Archived from the original on October 31, 2022. Retrieved June 17, 2023.
- ^ Campbell, Neysha (June 16, 2023). "The Brilliant Minds Behind VINLAND SAGA Season 2". Anime News Network. Archived from the original on 2023-06-16. Retrieved June 17, 2023.
Articles created/expanded on May 14[edit]
Saleh Manaf
- ... that during the protests against Bekasi regent Saleh Manaf, protesters sealed his office and put two goat heads in front of the door? Source: https://www.liputan6.com/news/read/107867/pintu-ruangan-bupati-bekasi-disegel-kepala-kambing
- Reviewed:
- Comment: DYKcheck: "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 11 edits ago on May 10, 2024"
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: The Bekasi link in the hook is linked to Bekasi city instead of Bekasi Regency. I fixed it Nyanardsan (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeromi Mikhael: Please complete a QPQ and link to it above Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 15[edit]
Sadie O. Horton
- ... that Sadie O. Horton (pictured), who was the first recorded female United States Merchant Marine veteran of World War II, filled various roles?
SL93 (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only (not a review): cumbersome hook, the part "filled various roles" is pointless and superfluous to the more-than-notable statement preceding it. Just simplify the hook:
- ALT1: ... that Sadie O. Horton (pictured) was the first recorded female United States Merchant Marine veteran of World War II?
- -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 16:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Jasprit Bumrah
- ... that Jasprit Bumrah holds the record for scoring the highest number of runs in a single over in Test cricket?
- Source: Jasprit Bumrah hits 29 as Stuart Broad concedes world record 35 runs in single over. The Indian Express. 2 July 2022. "Bumrah smashed two sixes and four fours to amass 29 runs with 6 runs added as extras and created a world record for scoring the most runs in an over in Test cricket."
- ALT1: ... that Jasprit Bumrah is the fastest Indian pacer to reach 150 wickets in Test cricket? Source: India vs England: Jasprit Bumrah ends Ben Stokes' cameo to become fastest Indian pacer to pick 150 Test wickets. India Today. 3 February 2024
- ALT2: ... that Jasprit Bumrah is the first bowler to achieve the number one ranking in the ICC men's player rankings across all three formats? Source: Jasprit Bumrah creates history, becomes Number 1 Test player in ICC bowling rankings for first time. Livemint. 7 February 2024. "Bumrah has become the first bowler in history to be ranked on top in all three formats of cricket."
- Reviewed:
VK wiki100 04:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Was nominated within 5 days of being promoted to GA. Meets length criteria. No issues with tone. No major concerns with sourcing. Earwig's throws a high score, but, that can be attributed to a couple of direct quotes. So, no major concern there. Nominator seems to have less than five DYK nominations and hence does not have a QPQ requirement.
ALT0: I am unable to access The Indian Express article. Seems to be throwing a paywall error for me. However, with the statement provided by the nominator Bumrah smashed two sixes and four fours to amass 29 runs with 6 runs added as extras and created a world record for scoring the most runs in an over in Test cricket.
, it seems like this one is correct. However, doing a couple of Google searches, it seems like Broad conceding 35 runs is definitely the highest in an over in test matches, but, can we confirm with other sources as well that Bumrah having scored 29 runs holds the record for the highest runs in an over in tests? Also, the article is from 2022. We should ensure that nothing has happened to break this record in the years since then.
ALT1: Validated by the statement from India Today. Important to note. Fastest indian pacer to get to 150 wickets. Would be good to wikilink pacer.
ALT2: Validated by the LiveMint article. Would be nice to wikilink some of the terms here.
Overall once we get clarity on ALT0, if we go with it, my preference would be ALT0 or ALT1 over ALT2.
Question for the nominator -- are there any other interesting facts other than stats oriented that you could find? Would be nice to give that a shot. Ktin (talk) 03:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the Indian Express article, you can view it using this archive link. For information on the most runs scored in an over, you can refer to this ESPNcricinfo page. It shows that the 35 runs scored by Bumrah against Broad is the highest, while the second highest is 28 runs scored by Lara against Peterson. Both 29 and 35 are higher than Lara's previous record. There are some other interesting facts.
- ... that Jasprit Bumrah's father passed away from hepatitis B when Bumrah was just 5 years old?[21]
- ... that Mumbai Indians coach John Wright signed Jasprit Bumrah after being impressed by his performance in the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy?[22]
- ... that Jasprit Bumrah's first and 100th IPL wickets were both of Virat Kohli?[23] VK wiki100 06:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 16[edit]
Haikyu!! The Dumpster Battle
- ... that Haikyu!! The Dumpster Battle is the second highest-grossing Japanese film of 2024 so far, grossing over ¥10 billion in 75 days?
- Reviewed:
NinetyNineDragon (talk) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- The article is long enough, new enough, and neutral. The only issues that I see are that "The film grossed over ¥10 billion, making it the second highest-grossing Japanese film of 2024 so far." needs a citation, the first paragraph needs to be cited, and that IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source for the cast. SL93 (talk) 06:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- In 2024, only two films grossed over ¥10 billion in Japan. To my surprise the best source I can find is this. NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- In addition, that is a promotional hook. It tells people "go and watch this film or else you miss out on something". Schwede66 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I believe simply the hook stating the film's commercial success does not mean it is promotional. NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @NinetyNineDragon: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Taste of Summer
- ... that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years?
- Source: Hall, C. Michael (2008-09-10). Food and Wine Festivals and Events Around the World (1 ed.). Routledge. pp. 113–130. doi:10.4324/9780080887951. ISBN 978-0-08-088795-1.
- Reviewed:
Lautreca11 (talk) 10:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comments by Tbhotch
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
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- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
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Overall: @Lautreca11: I copy-edited the article. As a tip, refer to WP:SEAOFBLUE, we don't normally link common words or countries. A newly expanded article that is long enough. The article uses sources sources I cannot access, so I am going to assume good faith. The ones available are okay and mention what it is sourced. The picture is clear and free. No QPQ required; this is the first nomination. I am not approving it due to three queries. 1st: sourcing; I added a citation needed tag, that's the only issue. 2nd: neutrality, several sentences are written as promotion sentences written in a WP:Wikivoice tone: For example: "By having a strong main theme and a high profile, the festival is popular and relevant to locals who support this event with their community energy" or "The Taste of Summer highlights the region local produce". It is not the same as saying this: "According to The Writer / The Source, [text]", "The Writer / The Source considers that [text]". I recommend you to re-read the article as if you were the reader rather than the writer and identify these sentences and quotes and attribute them to the source." 3rd: the hook. It is not directly mentioned in the article, even though it is implied, it is part of the rules: "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @Lautreca11: any update on the third point? (CC) Tbhotch™ 03:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Tbhotch, thanks for your message. My final submition was on the 24th so I am not sure if I can do anything else while I receive my mark. Anyway, do I have to submit a new DYK or is it possible to edit the initial one?
* Working (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- @Lautreca11: Sorry for the late response, this page got lost on my watchlist. As a tip, you can see the template {{ping}} and the editor so they can be notified. Back to the review, I re-reviewed the article, but point three above is still missing. The hook reads: Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years? The article doesn't establish this automatically, you can assume it if you read the whole page. For example.
- "Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania" → The Taste of Summer Festival, previously known as the Taste of Tasmania, is an annual event held in Hobart, Tasmania
- "that has received yachties" → One of its main goals was to entertain the competitors of the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
- "from all around the world" → drawing in both locals and tourists from around the globe.
- "for the New Year's celebrations" → Hobart's waterfront is the place where New Year's Eve festivities are celebrated, including the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
- "for more than 30 years" → Its origins back to 1988 when the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival
- As we can read, this is implied, but the DYK rules require the hook to be present in the article and backed up by a source. We have multiple implications that do not necessarily back up the original hook. The all around the world statement is not mentioned anywhere (the word "world" is mentioned twice, but not in this specific context), and "for more than 30 years" is vague because the article doesn't establish that the Taste of Tasmania was the event "the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival"; the infobox says that the Taste of Tasmania/Summer has been active from 2003 to 2024. You need to back up the hook in the article with a respective source. Otherwise, you need an alternate hook. You can leave alternatives below with a bolded ALT1, ALT2, etc. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Baubau
- ... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi? Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
- ALT1: ... that Baubau city has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones? Source: "Benteng Wolio dibangun dengan bahan baku berupa batu karang, pasir, dan kapur. Dalam sistem pengetahuan setempat, bahan perekat material benteng menggunakan putih telur ayam." https://books.google.co.id/books?id=HRHszgEACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=id&redir_esc=y (Page 49)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Minnesota State Highway 36
- Comment: Newly expanded 5 times, CE will be very appreciated thank you. Also special request to be posted on 29th July.
Nyanardsan (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer 18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: Please complete a QPQ, and link it above. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 17[edit]
South by South Lawn
- ... that the South by South Lawn festival, which took place October 3, 2016, was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival?
- Source: "It was the first – and you have to presume the last – South By South Lawn. Modeled upon and organized together with the original Austin, Texas, interactive festival South By Southwest, it brought a riot of color to the usually sedate seat of the US presidency." The Guardian
- ALT1: ... that the South by South Lawn festival sign was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore to illuminate every time someone made a social media post with the hashtag #sxsl? Source: "MythBusters’ Adam Savage and a team of makers from Baltimore made the giant letters “SXSL” that lit up every time someone posted to social media using the hasthag #sxsl. Artist Nathan Sawaya brought his Park People, sculptures of people made entirely of Legos." Smithsonian Magazine
- ALT2: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn was literally one of a kind? Source: One-off event. The Guardian
- ALT3: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn included a panel discussion on climate change led by President Obama and featuring actor Leonardo DiCaprio and Canadian climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe? Source: "The main event was a conversation, led by President Obama, on climate change with Leonardo DiCaprio and climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe. When talking about leaders taking on climate change, DiCaprio said, “I'm so very honored and pleased to be joined onstage with one of those leaders—a President who has done more to create solutions for the climate change crisis than any other in history—President Barack Obama.” Immediately following the discussion was the domestic premiere of DiCaprio’s new climate documentary, Before the Flood." Smithsonian Magazine
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loretta Preska
TheSandDoctor Talk 00:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
Space Babies
- ... that according to Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson, the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" is "one for the fans"?
- ALT1: ... that the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" is the first regular episode of the show since "The Vanquishers" in 2021? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/11/doctor-who-space-babies-devils-chord-ncuti-gatwa-millie-gibson-beatles-jinkx-monsoon
- ALT2: ... that while filming the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" the actors were scared by prop babies? Source: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-whos-stars-demonic-rubber-space-babies/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KKOG-TV
- Comment: I am the top contributor, Alex 21 created the draft and moved it into the mainspace. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC).
Rashmika Mandanna
- ... that Rashmika Mandanna made her debut in 2016 opposite Rakshit Shetty in the Kannada romance Kirik Party?
- Reviewed:
19Arham (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook is needed here as the hook may not be interesting or understandable to a broad audience, particularly if the reader is unfamiliar with Shetty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: Can you suggest some additional hooks below? Z1720 (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- that Rashmika Mandanna starred in the third highest-grossing Indian film of 2023 opposite Bollywood royalty, Ranbir Kapoor?
- That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Anna Russell Cole
- ... that Anna Russell Cole (pictured), a devout Methodist, was instrumental in supporting Vanderbilt University's independence from the church, donating significantly to its endowment campaign? Source: Turner, William B. (February 2000). "Cole, Anna Virginia Russell". American National Biography. New York: Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/anb/9780198606697.article.2001271. (subscription required), Notable American Women, 1607-1950 A Biographical Dictionary · Volume 2, page 358
- ALT0a: ... that Anna Russell Cole (pictured), a devout Methodist, was key in supporting Vanderbilt University's independence from the church's hierarchy, donating to its endowment campaign? Source: Same as above.
- ALT1: ... In 1926, Anna Russell Cole (pictured), a significant benefactor of Vanderbilt University, donated $10,000 to endow the office of dean of women? Source: Same as above.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eurovision Song Contest 1974
- Comment:
QPQ will be done promptly.Done.
X (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 18[edit]
East Wake Academy
- ... that classrooms had to be completely dismantled Wednesdays and Fridays from one of the two buildings East Wake Academy used when opening?
Source "And with church activities going on every Wednesday night and on weekends, we have to take down the classrooms [...] Each Wednesday and Friday afternoon"- ALT1: ... that the two main school buildings of East Wake Academy were located four miles apart in separate towns when opening?
Source "The year-round school has had to squeeze its 462 students into two temporary sites – four miles apart. Half the school shares a building [...] in Knightdale, while the other half is in a church near Wendell." - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group
- Comment: Quotes are provided for each newspaper clipping citation if not accessible
- ALT1: ... that the two main school buildings of East Wake Academy were located four miles apart in separate towns when opening?
Johnson524 14:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
I Am Human (film)
- ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been used as a panel conversation starter by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers?
- Source: IEEE
- ALT1: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been the conversation starter for neuroscience panel discussions at universities like Harvard? Source:
- ALT2: ... that the documentary film I Am Human "chronicles how neurotechnology could restore sight, retrain the body, and treat diseases—then make us all more than human"? Source: See the subtitle of this WIRED article
- ALT3: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been praised for its "fundamentally optimistic" nature with relation to "neuroscience and brain medicine"? Source: "We’re in a dark moment for the tech industry: a time when some new technologies have been adopted recklessly and backfired terribly, and others have developed far more slowly than their creators hoped. Against the backdrop of this pessimism, a film like I Am Human — a fundamentally optimistic documentary about neuroscience and brain medicine — feels surprisingly refreshing." The Verge
- ALT4: ... that the documentary film I Am Human asks the existential question "what makes us human"? Source: "By the end, though, the film's central question is more of an existential one: What makes us human?" WIRED
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis Katz Gulfstream Charter Crash
TheSandDoctor Talk 00:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
Hock burns
- ... that farmed birds often get marks called hock burns from the ammonia of other birds' waste?
- Source: "Millions of supermarket chickens show skin burns from living in their own waste, a BBC investigation has found. 'Hock burn' is caused by ammonia from excrement" https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68406398
- ALT1: ... that farmed birds often get lesions called hock burns after living in the manure of other birds? Source: (1)
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Open to other ideas of hooks here. Before expansion, the page size plugin showed a prose size of "617 B (106 words)", but now shows "3384 B (573 words)", so is more than 5x larger in bytes and in words
TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Also I now realize that I'm not 100% sure if I selected the correct date when submitting this. I started working to expand the article on the 18th, but didn't finish until around today. Let me know if I filled this out incorrectly TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 19[edit]
Alan Kulwicki Memorial Park
- ... that Alan Kulwicki Memorial Park was partially financed with a US$250,000 donation from Hooters chairman Robert Brooks?
- Source: $250,000 donation also the Pavilion is named called the Brooks Pavilion A Brooks family donation helped finance the pavilion
- ALT1: ... that there is a park and museum dedicated to a NASCAR driver in Greenfield, Wisconsin? Source: [Memorial celebrates NASCAR driver Nearly a decade after his death, Alan Kulwicki's Wisconsin hometown remembers him fondly. https://www.newspapers.com/article/wisconsin-state-journal-memorial-celebra/147798334/]
- ALT2: ... that a park named after a NASCAR driver features a building named after the owners of Hooters? Source: Brooks Pavilion, a house-size facility at the park named after Mark Brooks, who also died in the '93 crash. His family owns Hooters
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/New York State Pavilion
Lightburst (talk) 15:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- New article of good length. Sources look OK and everything looks neutral. Hooks are cited and interesting. ALT2 stretches it a little since the building is not named after a current owner, but the others are good. The pictures are nice-looking, free photos taken by the nominator, good job there. QPQ is done. I see two minor problems that need to be addressed. The Milwaukee County Park System involvement is mentioned in the lead but not in the article body, and is unsourced. The infobox says the park was established in 1997, but this is also unsourced and not mentioned anywhere else (and it overwrites the "opened" parameter - what is the difference here?). Fix those issues and I think it's ready to go. Ffranc (talk) 10:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Drew Thomas
- ... that Drew Thomas, a former car salesman, was named the best local comedian by Creative Loafing?
- Source:
- McIntyre, Michael K. (2019-04-17). "Drew Thomas at the MGM Northfield, and the Alan Cox Show Comedy Tour hits the Cleveland Masonic". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
The article notes: "Thomas, who has appeared on NBC’s “Last Comic Standing” and has made several other national appearances, started comedy after six years as a car salesman selling Toyotas."
- "Best Local Comedian". Creative Loafing. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
The article notes: "BEST LOCAL COMEDIAN BOA AWARD WINNER. Year » 2006. Section » Print Features » Special Issue » Best of Atlanta » 2006 » Poets, Artists, & Madmen » Critics Pick Drew Thomas"
- ALT1: ... that Drew Thomas, a former car salesman, reached the finals of the NBC show Last Comic Standing? Source: Overcash, Anita (2010-12-14). "Comedy: Drew Thomas". Creative Loafing Charlotte. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
The article notes: "Atlanta-based comedian Drew Thomas didn't become a finalist on NBC's Last Comic Standing without good cause."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Devil's Chord
- ALT1: ... that Drew Thomas, a former car salesman, reached the finals of the NBC show Last Comic Standing? Source: Overcash, Anita (2010-12-14). "Comedy: Drew Thomas". Creative Loafing Charlotte. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
Cunard (talk) 04:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC).
- Hooks seem interesting and are supported by references. Article is new and the correct length. However, some of the article's first section lacks inline citations. Once these are added I think it is good to go. TDogg310 (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review, TDogg310 (talk · contribs). Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#External policy compliance says (bolding added for emphasis):
Every paragraph in the article is cited except for the lead. This complies with the guideline because "that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article" does not need to be cited. The guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Citations says:The article must be based on reliable sources, which must be cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
The subject is not complex or controversial (and none of the material in the lead is contentious), so the guideline does not require citations in the lead. Cunard (talk) 10:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none.
- Thank you for the review, TDogg310 (talk · contribs). Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#External policy compliance says (bolding added for emphasis):
Articles created/expanded on May 20[edit]
Praetorium of Constantinople
- ... that in the Praetorium of Constantinople the brothers Theodorus and Theophanes (pictured) had twelve iambic verses branded on their forehead and torso?
- Source: Senina (2008), pp. 267-268
- Reviewed: Red Sea mangroves
- Comment: I will do the QPQ asap.
Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Alessandro57: You still need to provide a QPQ as it has been over two weeks since the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)
... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' 'For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [24]American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [25]- Reviewed:
- Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- Hooks should contain a bolded link to the article and be under 200 characters long, so I've struck it. Please propose something much shorter.--Launchballer 12:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- 162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography
- ... that a biography of Jerzy Kosinski was published five years after his death? Source: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-12-bk-3077-story.html
- ALT1: ... that one of the reviewers of Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography argued that the book is both neutral but also an "apologia" and "justification of the misdeeds of a brilliantly flawed friend" of the author? Source: see https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-05-12-bk-3077-story.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden and the Creation of Modern Tennis
- Comment: I am having trouble coming up with a hook. First one is boring, hope the second one is more interesting.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- Article is well sourced and neutral. It's new enough and long enough. QPQ looks to be underway at Template:Did you know nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden and the Creation of Modern Tennis. I agree that the hooks could be more interesting, and I think it's because it glosses over why this person is notable. (Both in the hook and in the article body.) Following the links the article about the man himself, there's probably a way to describe at least one aspect of what earned him coverage in reliable sources. Either his fiction, his personal life, or both. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, this still has a lot of potential. I wanted to check back in to see when you have time to work on this again. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Giving a ping to @Piotrus:. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, Sorry, my watchlist is not usable (too big), so I can see only pings. Do you have any suggestions for a more interesting hook? I am open to ideas, but as I said, I can't think of anything better, and I think the proposed hooks are "good enough" for DYK rules. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's ok, Piotrus. I think it's hard to come up with this because the article doesn't really summarize the contents of the book. The article summarizes several reviews of the book, but we don't have the context of what they're reviewing.
- Not to create too much more work, but would it be possible to get a short summary of the book in the contents section? It could be similar to the main Jerzy Kosinski article, plus even one sentence about the viewpoint/thesis of the author. If that's too much of a pain, plan B would be to scrape something from the review section. I can do my best to come up with something, but it would definitely be easier with more about the contents of the book. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, The problem is that the reviews do not, as far as I recall, provide any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is a biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that out, I guess. They do not talk about chapter structure or such, just occasionally engage with some parts of his biography presented in the book the reviewer found interesting. And there is the issue of trying to make this article (and hook) be about the book and not about Kosinski's biography, which after all is a different article... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Flyover (book)
- ... that Flyover, a 2023 American science fiction novel portraying a dystopian future where part of the USA became a theocracy, has been published in French but not yet in English? Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/07/22/lara-marlowe-this-vision-of-a-divided-totalitarian-us-does-not-seem-much-like-fiction/ and https://www.economist.com/culture/2024/04/11/americans-are-turning-to-stories-of-civil-war-real-and-imagined
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- The clause adds interest, but I wonder if a snappier and more concise version of the hook also works:
- ALT1 ... that the 2023 American novel Flyover has been published in French but not yet in English?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP has strong precedent for discussing any fictional events in present tense, i.e. "becomes" instead of "became" Orchastrattor (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 21[edit]
Paul Parkman
- ... that Rubella vaccine developer Paul Parkman reflected at the end of his career that "It will be for others to take on the difficult task of maintaining the protections that we struggled to achieve"?
- Source: "Dr. Paul D. Parkman, whose research was instrumental in identifying the virus that causes rubella and developing a vaccine that has prevented an epidemic of the disease in the United States for more than 50 years, died on May 7 at his home in Auburn, N.Y., about 60 miles east of Rochester in the Finger Lakes region. He was 91.
“As I look back on my career, I have come to think that perhaps I was involved in the easy part,” he added. “It will be for others to take on the difficult task of maintaining the protections that we struggled to achieve. We must prevent the spread of this vaccine nihilism, for if it were to prevail, our successes could be lost.”"
NY Times- Reviewed: To come
Thriley (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC).
Akinada Tobishima Kaido
- ... that the island-hopping Akinada Tobishima Kaido road near Hiroshima was named after its resemblance to stepping stones in a garden?
- Source: "Akinada Tobishima Kaido: The collective term for the seven bridges connecting Kure City and the islands of the Aki Sea in Hiroshima Prefecture. ""Tobishima"" is derived from ""tobi-ishi"", meaning ""stepping stones,"" due to the islands' appearance resembling the stepping stones of a garden.[1]
Jpatokal (talk) 07:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC).
- New enough. Barely long enough prose length (but definitely long enough when the bridge list is included). Well written. Citations check out. (I used Google Translate for the Japanese sources.) But the article needs a few additional citations. First, add citations for the eighth bridge and the existing seven bridges. And add Citation #1 to the hook (about the stepping stones.) Right now, you have just Citation #6. Other than the needed citations, others look good. No obvious copyright issues; the hook is interesting, and QPQ has been done. We're very close. Hybernator (talk) 21:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hybernator: Thanks for the review! I've added the citations as requested. Jpatokal (talk) 01:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jpatokal, thanks for the updates. Could you add the specific page numbers for Citation #4 ("大崎上島町 第2次長期総合計画")? It's a 130-page doc in Japanese, and it'll be helpful to the reader to provide the specific pages. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hybernator: Done. Jpatokal (talk) 06:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
References
Hamad City
- ... that Hamad City was largely destroyed within minutes?
- ALT1: ... that Colonel Yonatan Steinberg's army-issued weapon was found in Hamad City along with the personal effects of Israeli abductees? Source: The weapon of the commander of the Nahal Brigade who was killed at the beginning of the war, Colonel Yonatan Steinberg, was found in recent days by the commando brigade in 'Hamad City' in Khan Yunis. Along with the weapon of the senior officer, the fighters located effects of Israeli abductees. jdn.co.il (Hebrew translation); Source 2: In one of the nearby buildings, the personal weapon of the late Nahal Commander Yehonatan Steinberg, who was killed in a clash on October 7 was found. Israel Hayom
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clark House (New Zealand)
- Comment:
I personally prefer ALT0.After carefully re-reading the source (and watching the video linked in the article) I am proposing the following ALT in place of ALT0:
- ALT0a: ... that five Hamad City apartment buildings were destroyed in the space of just two minutes? Havradim leaf a message 12:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Havradim leaf a message 23:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
Pascal Maynard
- ... that Magic: The Gathering player Pascal Maynard (pictured), criticized for drafting a card to sell rather than play, founded a Magic card store?
- Source: https://dotesports.com/general/news/pascal-maynard-tarmogoyf-magic-the-gathering-2014 - " Pascal Maynard ... had finally made Top 8, the final table, at Magic’s largest tournament in history and came face to face with one of the most valuable cards in the set. And it was absolutely useless for him. ... Pros seemed outraged that a player calling himself professional would choose the money over a better chance at winning." https://monsaintroch.com/2020/nouvel-univers-magique-jeux-saint-roch/ "Le quartier Saint-Roch accueille depuis la mi-octobre une boutique de jeux .... Projet de Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique propose des jeux de cartes, principalement Magic the Gathering." transl. "Since mid-October, the Saint-Roch district has been home to a game store ... A project of Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique offers card games, mainly Magic the Gathering."
GRuban (talk) 13:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
LS Power
- ... that LS Power has the largest non-utility owned energy storage portfolio in the United States, including pumped-storage hydroelectricity and lithium-ion battery storage?
- Reviewed: [[]]
AdJHu 胡 03:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
Jacob Green Jackson
- ... that Jackson Demonstration State Forest was named in honor of American lumberman Jacob Green Jackson (pictured)?
- Source: California Coastal Commission, ed. (1987). California Coastal Resource Guide. University of California Press. p. 119. ISBN 978-0-520-06186-6. Retrieved 21 May 2024.
SL93 (talk) 19:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
Golden Girls (play)
- ... that to prepare for their roles as athletes in the play Golden Girls, Kenneth Branagh and Jimmy Yuill undertook fitness training led by Brian Blessed?
- Source: Branagh, Kenneth (1991). Beginning. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 978-0-312-05822-7., p.153: "Jimmy and I enlisted the help of Brian Blessed, the Company’s fitness fanatic, who agreed to take us through a training programme"
- ALT1: ... that before reading the script for the play Golden Girls, at least nine of the cast members were under the impression that they would be taking the lead role? Source: Branagh, Kenneth (1991). Beginning. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 978-0-312-05822-7., p.152: "I asked around. Jimmy Yuill, Josette Simon, Polly James, Kate Bufferey. They were all playing the lead, and that made nine of us in total."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Municipal Asphalt Plant
- Comment: Suggestions for ALT hooks welcome.
BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
Voluntary war
- ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to rape and forcibly marry a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
- Reviewed:
Davidbena (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Gary Orfield
- ... that academic Gary Orfield was called upon to be an expert witness in the University of Michigan Supreme Court case, Grutter v. Bollinger?
--evrik (talk) 04:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 22[edit]
Khirbet el-Qutt
- ... that hiding complexes from the Bar Kokhba revolt were found in Khirbet el-Qutt and other places in ancient Samaria?
- Source: "Khirbet el-Qutt -A Fortified Jewish Village in Southern Samaria from the Second Temple Period and the Bar Kokhba Revolt"; "Jewish Settlement in the Toparchy of Acraba during the Second Temple Period - The Archaeological Evidence". Judea and Samaria Research Studies8. 18: 177–200 – via academia.edu; "תולדות היישוב בהר שומרון בתקופה הרומית־ביזנטית". kotar.cet.ac.il. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
- Reviewed:
Owenglyndur (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
I'm really excited about the opening of Tuen Ma line
- ... that a train enthusiast was so excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line that he sang about it?
- ALT1: ... that on this day three years ago, someone was really excited about the opening of Tuen Ma line? Source: SCMPMing Pao
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/REM de l'Est
- Comment: I'd like to request for the date to be June 27th since that day is the third anniversary of the opening of the line and the third anniversary of the phrase being said.
On another note, as I will be going to China from tomorrow until the 30th, and as most will know Wikipedia can't be used in China, I'd appreciate some patience if I don't answer until after that date. I might use roaming to make minor edits or answer some questions before then, but I likely won't make any large-scale edits until after.
S5A-0043Talk 08:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment (not a full review). Per the spirit of WP:BLP, I do not think an article about an autistic boy who became an internet meme is suitable for the Main Page, especially if the full name is mentioned. (The original media reports used 羅先生 (Mr. Law) or 羅同學 (Classmate Law); I do not know when and which HK media started using the full name). The article itself mentions doxxing and negative attention; posting on our Main Page has the potential to lead to further harm. I would suggest not to post this without clear consensus otherwise from a place like the BLP noticeboard. —Kusma (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [26][27][28][29]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
I'm not opposed to a discussion on WP:BLPN or somewhere else, but respectfully I'm not sure whether it still matters. As in, it's been three years since the phrase was first said. During these three years, not only has the person made further appearences and interviews [30][31], he has even appeared in an official MTR video re-enacting the scene [32][33]. I'm very sympathetic to his experience of being doxxed, but I genuinely think that given the time passage it isn't particularly as big of a deal as we may think. Him opening up about being doxxed was in 2021; he is still making appearences thanks to the notability from this phrase in 2022. If there was so much of a worry, he could've rejected any further publicity and we wouldn't be seeing him in the MTR video. In addition, there's been far less coverage about the doxxing as far as I can find compared to the more positive aspects, meaning most media (and in turn WP:RSes) don't think this is an important aspect to cover either. I hope I summed up my perspective well enough, and I'm open to any objections.
Regarding a possible merge as suggested on WT:DYK, my opinion would be oppose. The article easily passes WP:GNG with the number of sources covering the subject, and the MTR video shows that it still has a lasting effect even one year later. Plus, I'm not sure how the article can be merged. I already had a hard time finding articles to link to my article on existing content, and (at least for me) it's quite tough to add details of this event into other articles. S5A-0043Talk 02:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [26][27][28][29]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs
- ... that while reviewers generally praised The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs, one reviewer complained that the author "was so nice about his colleagues that it makes you long for a juicy academic vendetta"?
- Reviewed: Fewer than 5 past noms, no QPQ required
- Comment: I don't have a direct source for generally positive reviews, but I haven't been able to find a single review that didn't primarily praise the book. If this is an issue I can reword the hook to exclude that.
Rusalkii (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 23[edit]
Suicidal Tour
- ... that after performing a tour, football club Santa Cruz Futebol Clube had four fewer players, two of them being dead?
- Source: www1
.folha .uol .com .br /esporte /2023 /04 /ha-80-anos-santa-cruz-completava-a-maior-epopeia-da-historia-humana .shtml (in Brazilian Portuguese, limited access): "Partiu em 2 de janeiro, no escuro. Só conseguiu retornar ao Recife em 29 de abril, com quatro jogadores a menos, dois deles mortos" (transl. It left on January 2, in the dark. They only managed to return to Recife on April 29, four players short, two of them dead)
- Reviewed:
– Hilst [talk]
13:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
Thriller (Fall Out Boy song)
- ... that a 2007 "pop-punk song by the band Fall Out Boy" begins with a monologue by rapper Jay-Z?
- ALT1: ... that a 2007 "pop-punk song by the band Fall Out Boy" was named after Michael Jackson's album Thriller and begins with a monologue by rapper Jay-Z? Source: Fall Out Boy open the album with “Thriller,” named after a Michael Jackson album they’d love to outsell, with a go-get-’em intro from label boss Jay-Z.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bud Lea
Bruxton (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
List of historic places in Gore District
- ... that the Creamoata Mill, which once produced a now-nonexistent breakfast food, was listed as Gore's only "place of outstanding historical and cultural influence"?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 24[edit]
Expedition climbing
- ... that traditional expedition style climbing has been largely replaced by alpine style climbing for the leading Himalayan mountaineers?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Expanded this 5x and only just finished it on 25 May 2024 - hopefully still ok (I didn't know about DYK until today!)
Aszx5000 (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
Traverse (climbing)
- ... that the world's longest continuous rock climbing route is a horizontal 4,500-metre (14,800 ft) traverse, known as the El Capitan Girdle Traverse?
- Reviewed:
Aszx5000 (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
Let's Talk About It (book)
- ... that a graphic novel for teens was among the 10 most challenged books of 2023?
- ALT1: ... that the inclusion of a graphic novel for teens in libraries was challenged 55 times in 2023? Source: 9. Let's Talk About It: The Teen's Guide to Sex, Relationships, and Being a Human by Erika Moen and Matthew Nolan; Number of challenges: 55
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/287 Broadway
gobonobo + c 17:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC).
Dagmar Skálová
- ... that Czech Dagmar Skálová (pictured) was given the nickname "Raksha" because of her leadership in Scouts?
- Source: Šantora, Roman; Nosek, Václav; Janov, Slavomil; Dostál, Václav (2012). Skautské století [The Scout Century] (in Czech) (1st ed.). Junák - svaz skautů a skautek ČR, Tiskové a distribuční centrum. ISBN 978-80-86825-72-4.
- ALT1: ... that Dagmar Skálová (pictured) took the blame for a coup to spare others the death penalty? Source: Šantora, Roman; Nosek, Václav; Janov, Slavomil; Dostál, Václav (2012). Skautské století [The Scout Century] (in Czech) (1st ed.). Junák - svaz skautů a skautek ČR, Tiskové a distribuční centrum. ISBN 978-80-86825-72-4.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Obonga-Ottertooth Provincial Park
--evrik (talk) 16:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC).
Avatar Studios (production company)
- ... that Avatar Studios is developing three animated films set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender?
- ALT1: ... that Avatar Studios, a production company dedicated to developing new projects set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender, was launched in 2021? Source: https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/avatar-last-airbender-legend-of-korra-nickelodeon-1234914149/
- Reviewed:
Zingo156 (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
List of Green Bay Packers Associated Press All-Pro selections
- ... that the only first-team AP All-Pro for the Green Bay Packers the last two seasons was kick returner Keisean Nixon?
- Reviewed: Peter Demetz
« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
Nodoroc
- ... that Nodoroc is a dormant mud volcano in Winder, Georgia, and it was a Native American execution site?
- Source: Barrow County Georgia Cemeteries. East Georgia Genealogical Society. 2000. p. 5.
- Reviewed:
MallardTV (talk) 12:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook ok. No qpq needed. But too much close paraphrase from the ref GeorgiaBeforePeople, which furthermore is a blog and thus not WP:RS. --Soman (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 25[edit]
73 Yards
- ... that "73 Yards" is one of the few Doctor Who episodes not to feature the theme music and title sequence?
- ALT1: ... that Sex Education was still in production when filming on the fourteenth series of Doctor Who began causing Ncuti Gatwa to be absent from most of "73 Yards"? Source: https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-season-14-episode-4-doctor-missing-filming-explained-rtd/
- ALT2: ... that real broadcast journalists were used as extras for the portions of the Doctor Who episode "73 Yards" that were filmed at the BBC Cymru Wales New Broadcasting House? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EftAeJcCBo
- Reviewed: N/A (second nomination)
- Comment: User:Alex 21 moved the article to the mainspace. While I am the primary author, a few other editors have contributed significantly to the article.
TheDoctorWho (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
- @TheDoctorWho: I would like to propose a few alt hooks as the second overall editor to the page. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that the Doctor is barely in the Doctor Who episode "73 Yards"?
Source: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who-why-ncuti-gatwas-doctor-isnt-in-73-yards/
- ALT4: ... that the Doctor Who episode "73 Yards" is only the fourth episode in the history of the show to omit the theme song? Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/doctor-who-mid-season-questions-73-yards-explained-1235908268/
- Thank you for the extra ALT hooks! I originally had something similar to ALT4 drafted up, but I rewrote it because the source doesn't explicitly state that it was the fourth episode to omit it. While I don't dispute it's a fact, we only have two separate sources that previously three other previous episodes that exclude it, but not that those are the only three. It was a slight case of WP:SYNTH and should probably be re-written in the article, unless such a source exists. That said, I don't have a problem with ALT3 if a reviewer chooses to accept it, but I do of course have a slight preference for the ones that I wrote 😅. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Adama Touré (PAI general secretary)
- ... that on February 3, 1986, the African Independence Party leaders Adama Touré and Adama Touré were released from detention?
- Source: Afrique nouvelle, Issues 1902-1927. 1986. p. 9
Soman (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC).
Sud 777
- ... that a critic said that the hors d'oeuvres served at Sud 777 could function as desserts and vice versa?
- Source: [34] ABC (newspaper): "Cocina que rompe esquemas en cuanto al orden y en la que algunos entrantes podrían ser postres y algunos postres entrantes [A cuisine that breaks the rules in terms of order and in which some starters could be desserts and some desserts could be starters]"
(CC) Tbhotch™ 04:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 26[edit]
Yang Jingru (speed skater)
- ... that speed skater Yang Jingru is the first Chinese gold medalist at the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics in Gangwon, South Korea?
- Source: 首金!杨婧茹获冬青奥会短道速滑女子1500米金牌
- ALT1: ... that during the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics, Chinese speed skater Yang Jingru and her teammate used 'rabbit tactic', which the International Olympic Committee praised it as an 'incredible strategy'? Source: Chinese teenage skaters' "rabbit tactic" goes viral - Xinhua
- ALT2: ... that Chinese speed skater Yang Jingru and her teammate's performance at the 1500 metres short speed skating in the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics was considered as 'genius trick'? Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/olympics/better-than-bradbury-fans-melt-down-over-most-genius-trick-olympics-have-ever-seen/news-story/1897d6e4bf4078f7a30d66ed5f6fbfb3
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Larrabee County, Iowa
Toadboy123 (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
Ludwig Krug
- ... that German sculptor Ludwig Krug created a limestone relief depicting Adam and Eve in the fall of man (pictured)?
- Source: "Adam and Eve (The Fall)". Google Arts & Culture. Retrieved 26 May 2024.
SL93 (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
Brittany Luse
- ... that Brittany Luse's podcast The Nod was praised for its exploration of "the diversity and richness of the Black experience"? Source: “ Like the podcast that inspired the Quibi show, it’s a project that draws from the diversity and richness of the Black experience” Teen Vogue
Innisfree987 (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 27[edit]
Kaur (short film)
- ... that in the British short film Kaur, a Sikh father does not approve of his daughter wearing a turban?
- Source: ""Kaur" told the story of a Sikh woman who chose to defy her father's wishes by wearing a turban."...[35]
- Reviewed: William Post
- Comment: Still have a bit more work to do on it
Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook has to be proposed as the current one does not meet WP:DYKFICTION. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the British short film Kaur (2022), toured Gurudwaras, festivals and universities in the UK before appearing on ITVX, BritBox and then Netflix? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Croton alabamensis
- ... that the Alabama croton is related to plants found in Cuba and is cultivated at the Mt. Cuba Center in Delaware?
- Source: X, 1034436770698604544: "Alabama croton, with its silvery undersides on its foliage, balances out this late summer arrangement. Croton alabamensis var. alabamensis is found in the wild in just a few counties in Alabama. We have some specimens planted along our Main Drive,", "C. alabamensis emerges alone on a long branch that is sister to Croton section Corylocroton and the Cuban endemic genus Moacroton", Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- ALT1: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Source: "In a surprising discovery in 1989, C. alabamensis was found in central Texas, more than 1000 km from the Alabama populations" Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Thomas
TDogg310 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
At the Name of Jesus
- ... that "At the Name of Jesus" has been described as "the only completely objective theological hymn to come from the hand of a 19th-century woman writer"?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Felipe Lara
- Comment: Open to hook alternatives - there could be something in her 20-year break from writing poetry, but I'm not sure how to phrase it in reference to this hymn. But if ALT0 is ok, that's fine with me!
Mystery Merrivale (talk) 18:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC).
The Blue Angels (film)
- ... that the a 2024 film documents the journey of becoming a Blue Angel?
- ALT1: ... that a 2024 film has been called an advertisement for the Blue Angels, their planes, the military, and patriotism? Source: The movie is an ad for The Blue Angels, the Navy, planes, the military generally, and an iconography-based sense of patriotism
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Tate
Bruxton (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC).
- Article looks to be new and long enough. Looks to be well-sourced as far as I can tell. QPQ is done. I think the hook is just missing some context for readers with no outside knowledge. (For example, the language in the article lead uses the phrase "the Blue Angel pilots of the United States Navy".) Either hook can potentially work, and it will become a question of length. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Bruxton asked me to stop by and offer some ALT hooks, so here you go. At the very least, perhaps they inspire more hooks.
- ALT2: ... that the Blue Angels inspired Top Gun and that The Blue Angels was co-produced by a Top Gun: Maverick star? [36]
- ALT3: ... that The Blue Angels captured the story of their first female fighter jet pilot "through a fluke of production timing"? [37]
- ALT4: ... that The Blue Angels was shot using IMAX cameras rigged to a helicopter? [38]
- ALT5: ... that The Blue Angels was shot using IMAX cameras rigged to a helicopter, plus an ultra-high-speed camera shooting at 1,000 frames per second? [39] [40]
- ALT6: ... that the filming of The Blue Angels was the first time civilian aircraft was allowed to fly inside "the box"? [41]
- I have modified the article accordingly to support these hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Cielquiparle: pinging the reviewer Shooterwalker. Bruxton (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- These all have potential! The best one for clarity is ALT3, because it makes it clear that this relates to jet pilots. But it would be a little better if it made it clear that this is about a film. The others (particularly ALT4 and ALT5) aren't clear on this fact. They could all be made clear with just a little more context (e.g.: the film is about jet pilots), because I think that some of the others are more interesting. Any of them can be made to work with a little more tweaking. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Cielquiparle: pinging the reviewer Shooterwalker. Bruxton (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Bruxton asked me to stop by and offer some ALT hooks, so here you go. At the very least, perhaps they inspire more hooks.
Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg)
- ... that the two songs of Op. 1 by Arnold Schönberg (pictured), "Abschied" (Farewell) and "Dank" (Thanks), were first performed in Vienna in 1900, with Zemlinsky at the piano, to a hostile reaction of the audience? Source: Gerlach
- Reviewed: Alexandru Talex
- Comment: We are in a Schönberg year. I couldn't believe his Op. 1 (not 12-tone yet, rather expressionist but no room for that in a hook) had no article. Planning to write more about text and music but busy the next few days. I believe we should picture him this year ;)
Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC).
- Great work as always on these pieces. QPQ, article eligibility, source, and general presentation checks out. The hook seems like it could be condensed just a tad to ease readability; maybe something along the lines of "the first public performance of two songs from Arnold Schoenberg's (pictured) Op. 1 was met with hostile reactions from the audience?" The picture is pretty nice! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 23:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you fort the review! Yes, it could be condensed, but what would be left had much in common with other pieces, and I find the position of pictured awkward. We should also not say that in Wikipedia voice when it was the wording of one critic, also the ridicule in the other's wording was perhaps a bit more unique. "two songs from" is correct but misleading, because the opus is exactly these two songs. Please give me some more days to write about text and music, both loaded with emotion which the titles suggest a bit, I think. (But Schönberg knew why he didn't call them simply lieder (songs) but - like Brahms sometimes - Gesänge, a more sophisticate form for which English has no word, or has it? Then we could use that.) - You could also listen. I did, see the Liviu Holender hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Zemlinsky was not only the pianist, but Schönberg's teacher, the dedicatee of the songs, and to become his brother in law. Some will associate that with the name. He is also one of the composers whose music was banned by the Nazis, see the Holender hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Generalissima here. The original hook has too much detail and is thus too dense. The alternative wording proposed is direct to the point and makes the point of the hook clearer. Readers might get lost with the first hook, the second hook is much more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- While all this is true and not new: we celebrate 150 years of Schönberg and his music, and it's nothing new and no surprise that people react to it with hostility. I was surprised that his first works were songs. I was surprised that they were recorded by four of the greatest names singing and playing (but you may not know them so I dropped the idea of saying that). I was surprised to learn how close Zemlinsky was to him, not just teacher but friend and later family. - Did you listen? - The music of these two composers were banned by the Nazis, - we could do a bit more positive for it than saying the reaction was hostility, no? - On 29 May The Rite of Spring was premiered to an almost riot, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a compromise, can't we just go with Generalissima's wording? It basically says the same thing as the original hook except more concisely, and if the point is to promote Schoenberg, they still do it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- While all this is true and not new: we celebrate 150 years of Schönberg and his music, and it's nothing new and no surprise that people react to it with hostility. I was surprised that his first works were songs. I was surprised that they were recorded by four of the greatest names singing and playing (but you may not know them so I dropped the idea of saying that). I was surprised to learn how close Zemlinsky was to him, not just teacher but friend and later family. - Did you listen? - The music of these two composers were banned by the Nazis, - we could do a bit more positive for it than saying the reaction was hostility, no? - On 29 May The Rite of Spring was premiered to an almost riot, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Generalissima here. The original hook has too much detail and is thus too dense. The alternative wording proposed is direct to the point and makes the point of the hook clearer. Readers might get lost with the first hook, the second hook is much more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 28[edit]
List of historic places in Kaikōura District
- ... that Cumming "Cum" Haswell erected a historic villa, later described as "modestly-scaled but ornamental"?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC).
Erismatopterus
- ... that the Eocene fish Erismatopterus has been preserved in shoaling formation?
- Source: Mizumoto, N.; Miyata, S.; Pratt, S.C. (2019), "Inferring collective behaviour from a fossilized fish shoal"
- ALT1: ... that young Erismatopterus formed shoals as a likely way to avoid predators? Source: Mizumoto, N.; Miyata, S.; Pratt, S.C. (2019), "Inferring collective behaviour from a fossilized fish shoal"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Meratus blue flycatcher
Kevmin § 04:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on May 29[edit]
Ștefan Tita
- ... that Ștefan Tita, one of the Jewish authors banned in 1940s Romania, continued to write unsigned pieces in nominally pro-Nazi newspapers?
- Source: Sergiu Dan, "Pentru d. Al. Graur", in Dreptatea, 26 November 1944, p. 2: Se întreabă d. Graur : „Ce facem cu articolele nesemnate sau Cu cele semnate cu alt nume?“ — dar eu am spus răspicat că mă mândresc cu tot ce-am scris în gazeta ghetoului, cu sau fără iscălitură. D. Graur se crede feroce când scrie că „d. Sergiu Dan este şi rămâne solidar cu colegii d-sale“. Mărturisesc că eu n'aş fi solidarizat pe unii camarazi ai d-lui Graur de la gazetele fasciste din vremea dictaturei cu ceilalţi colaboratori ai acelor ziare, dar, iată, vreau să-i fac plăcere antreprenorului de Învăţământ [Graur] şi declar că răspund şi pentru articolele unor hitlerişti inverşunaţi, cum sunt şi erau M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni şi alţii ("Mr Graur asks: 'What of the articles that were unsigned, or were signed with different names?' — to which I answer with no qualms that I myself take pride in all the articles that I have contributed for the [Bucharest] ghetto gazette, be they signed or unsigned. Mr Graur imagines himself a ferocious fella when he says that 'Mr Sergiu Dan continues to express solidarity with his colleagues'. I confess that I would not have established links of solidarity between some of Graur's comrades of the dictatorship-era fascist gazettes and other people who have collaborated on those gazettes, but sure, if it pleases the Educational entrepreneur [Graur], I hereby declare myself responsible for the articles of inveterate, unreformed Hitlerites, such as M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni and various others".)
- ALT1: ... that educational writer Ștefan Tita gave Romanian students impractical advice about mending damaged bark with bandages of dirt? Source: Ion Manolescu, "'Epoca de Aur'. Propaganda comunistă în școala primară. Clișeele manualelor (II)", in Observator Cultural, Issues 165–166, April 2003: Dadacirea naturii capata accente patetice in sceneta Pomisorul de Stefan Tita (Caiet de lectura pentru clasa I, autori: Cella Aldea si Viniciu Gafita, EDP, Bucuresti, 1974), unde trei copii cu inima nobila si nume melodioase (Tulache, Lica si Culai) planteaza un pomisor si il ingrijesc pina la sacrificiu: in fata atacului iresponsabil cu pietre azvirlite de o ceata de derbedei, Tulache „a alergat sa apere pomisorul cu trupul lui“ (p. 14). Protejarea isterica a copacelului de catre pionierul cu spirit civic si educatie socialista e urmata de un moment de acalmie psihosomatica, in care cei trei cavaleri ai demnitatii vegetale aplica niste cunostinte de medicina pe cit de rudimentare, pe atit de ineficiente: „Udara pomul si-i lipira rana cu pamint“ (p. 15). Cum o fi aratat „lipitura“ ecologica in imaginatia autorului si cit de mult ar fi rezistat un (si asa inutil) „pansament“ cu pamint sint doua necunoscute ale scenetei, in masura sa-i deruteze si pe cei mai fantezisti dintre cititori. ("The moralizing of nature acquires bathetic tinges in the sketch Pomișorul by Ștefan Tita (First-grade Reading Aid, authored by Cella Aldea and Viniciu Gafița, EDP, Bucharest, 1974), wherein three children with noble hearts and melodious names (Tulache, Lica and Culai) plant a small tree that they then tend to with a self-sacrificing streak: when a gang of bullies proceed to throw rocks, Tulache 'runs to defend the little tree with his own body' (p. 14). The hysterical defense of that tiny tree by a civically-minded, socialist-educated Pioneer is followed by a psychosomatic calmness, with those three knights committed to defending the dignity of plants make use of medical expertise that is as rudimentary as it is inefficient: 'They watered the tree and glued its wound with dirt' (p. 15). How would this ecological 'glue' have looked like in the author's imagination, and for how long would such a (rather evidently useless) 'bandage' of dirt have held on, these are the two mysteries of that sketch, capable of confusing even the most imaginative readers.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jean-Pierre Sohahong-Kombet
Dahn (talk) 18:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
MT Petar Hektorović
- ... that in 2017, the MT Petar Hektorović transported 52,912 vehicles from Split to Vis, but an estimated 41% of them ended up on the other side of the island?
- ALT1: ... that when the MT Petar Hektorović was temporarily reassigned, one Vis resident wrote an online post to the ship, writing "the waves of Vis grieve for you"? Source: Što da učinimo da nam se vratiš? Viška vala tuguje za tobom...
- ALT2: ... that when Jadrolinija bought the MT Petar Hektorović, it was named for an author and poet from a town the ship no longer services? Source: In 1998, it was bought by Jadrolinija and renamed Petar Hektorović. It was primarily purchased with the aim of maintaining the local line Split - Stari Grad, which is why it was named after the famous Hvar poet Petar Hektorović. Today, it mainly maintains the Split - Vis line.
- Reviewed:
ThaesOfereode (talk) 02:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
Rhapsody (climb)
... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody became the first-ever E11-graded traditional rock climbing route?
- Reviewed:
Aszx5000 (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 30[edit]
Kenichirou Matsuda
- ... that Kenichirou Matsuda almost gave up on voice acting twice before starring as Bond Forger on Spy × Family? Source: 3年目に3次オーディションで落選してしまって。3年やってダメだったらやめようと思っていたけど、あきらめ切れず、続けることにして、その翌年、アーツビジョンに合格することができました。/In my third year, [...] I failed the third audition. I had thought that if I failed after three years I would quit, but I couldn't give up, so I decided to continue, and the following year I was accepted into Arts Vision./出演が決まるまでは「オーディションに落ちまくって、だいぶいじけていて(苦笑)。もう潮時かな……と思っていた時期」だったという。/Before he was cast [as the narrator and Bond Forger], he said, "I had failed so many auditions that I was pretty depressed (laughs). I was at a point where I thought maybe it was time to stop."
- ALT1: ... that before becoming a voice actor, Kenichirou Matsuda once stopped watching anime because he thought it was "something for kids to watch"? Source: 小学生の時は、「アニメは子供の見るもの」と大人ぶってしばらく見るのをやめていたので、声優になりたいと思わず、野球選手や警察官になりたいと思ってました。/When I was in elementary school, I acted like an adult and stopped watching anime for a while, thinking that "anime is something kids watch." I didn't want to become a voice actor, I wanted to be a baseball player or a police officer.
- ALT2: ... that before becoming a voice actor, Kenichirou Matsuda attended law school trying to become a civil servant during his early adulthood? Source: 20歳くらいで、当時は公務員を目指して法律系の専門学校に通っていました。/I was around 20 years old and attending a legal vocational school with the goal of becoming a civil servant.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bali Regional House of Representatives
- Comment: Note that senmon gakko (専門学校) is a Japanese term meaning vocational school.
ミラP@Miraclepine 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Felix Eberty
- ... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
- Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The New Yorker- Reviewed: To come
Thriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Erdős–Moser equation
- ... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergents of ln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
- ALT1: ... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
- Source: [42]
- Reviewed:
LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).
- Pinging David Eppstein if he could contribute to the nomination (either as a reviewer or to suggest hooks) as the current hook seems very specialist or complex and thus may not be easily understood by general readership. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 31[edit]
Medieval garden
- ... that much of what we know of medieval gardens comes from illuminated manuscripts?
- Landsberg, Sylvia, The Medieval Garden, British Museum Press, ISBN 9780714120805, p. 7; ...manuscript illustrations are invaluable ... [and] are to be thought of ...as vivid documentary evidence"
- Reviewed: coming
- Comment: Text mainly the first article of User:1948dlj. Slightly late nom, sorry
Johnbod (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC).
Current nominations[edit]
Articles created/expanded on June 1[edit]
Stoppa sabbet
- ... that Televerket spent 2 million kronor (about 200,000 US$) between 1985 and 1988 paying youth sports teams to monitor payphones for vandalism?
- Source: "Totalt har televerket satsat två miljoner kronor i kampanjen. [...] Tjejerna i laget var först i Sverige. De är nu inne på tredje året" [‘In total, Televerket has invested SEK 2 million in the campaign. [...] The girls in the team were the first in Sweden. They are now in their third year’]
- Reviewed:
AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
Joel Ross (vibraphonist)
- ... that Joel Ross spent over two years waiting to release his debut album after it had already been recorded?
Mach61 16:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 2[edit]
SkyBridge Alternatives Conference
- ... that the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference is the world's largest hedge fund conference?
- Source: "SALT has become the largest hedge fund conference in the world." The Financial Times
- ALT1: ... that the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference has been compared to the Super Bowl, but for hedge funds? Source: "In May, he invited Mr. Trump to make a surprise guest appearance at his SALT conference, which has been called the hedge fund Super Bowl." New York Times
- ALT2: ... that the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference has hosted US Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush? Source: "Scaramucci packed the Bellagio hotel's ballrooms each year by giving some 1,800 attendees access to former U.S. Presidents including Bill Clinton and George Bush, central bankers such as Ben Bernanke and hedge fund superstars Daniel Loeb, Ken Griffin and David Tepper. At night there were pool parties and private concerts." Reuters
- ALT3: ... that the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference has diversified from hedge funds and features world leaders, concerts, and other talks? Source: WSJ "At night there were pool parties and private concerts." Reuters
- ALT4: ... that John Fogerty played a show at the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference in 2019? Source: "In many ways, this year’s event was similar to the past. There were cocktail parties, panels, a concert from John Fogerty and an overwhelmingly male crowd. Roughly 1,950 people attended the conference, Skybridge said, more than expected after the event was canceled last year" WSJ
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arifin Achmad
TheSandDoctor Talk 21:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Talbot H. Green
- ... that one of the streets in San Francisco is named after a man who was using a false identity?
- Source: Hussey, John Adam (March 1939). New Light upon Talbot H. Green: As Revealed by His Own Letters and Other Sources. University of California Press.
- Reviewed:
Jacob0790 (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
- I note that at the time the street was named (circa 1850) it was not known to the people of San Francisco that Green was using a false identity. Might want to adjust the verb tense to reflect that. For instance "after a man who was using a false identity?" Erp (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Sara Houcke
- ... that Sara Houcke is known as the Tiger Whisperer for her use of quiet whispered commands to her tigers in her Ringling Bros. circus acts?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yazathingyan (14th-century minister)
- Comment: The article was moved from draftspace to mainspace with this edit.
SilverserenC 02:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
Nexz
- ... that the Japanese boy band Nexz was created through the program Nizi Project season 2?
lullabying (talk) 22:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
Jean-Pierre Sohahong-Kombet
- ... that Jean-Pierre Sohahong-Kombet became the Ambassador of the Central African Republic to the United States when he was 27?
- Reviewed:
Faldi00 (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- New, (barely) long enough, some writing issues (sections should not exist for just one sentence, the content can neatly be folded into a single section); no plagiarism, QPQ not needed. The outstanding issue is that much of the article, including the hook, are not reliable sourced: dignitymemorial is in no definition a reliable source, and, for that matter, neither is tributearchive (per WP:UGC). The info sourced to such sites should be removed (will the article still be long enough when this takes place?), and in any case should not be used for hooks. Dahn (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback you gave me since it is the first time I have submitted a DYK nomination. Unfortunately, the only sources that mentioned his age when he became the ambassador to the US and his wife are from User-generated content websites. Sometimes, finding reliable sources of Central African politicians is quite difficult since the country has few online media news. Hence, I have to cite from UGC websites. However, if I remove those sites, the article will still be long enough since it only covers a small portion of the content. Also, it still implicitly states that he was 27 when he became the ambassador by counting the age from his birth and the date he was appointed. Hence, can I cite a hook without citing a source since it is indirectly mentioned in the article? Faldi00 (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Dot and Bubble
- ... that the Doctor Who episode "Dot and Bubble" is inspired by Black Mirror?
- ALT1: ... that the Doctor Who episode "Dot and Bubble" does not focus on the Doctor? Source: https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/sci-fi-shows/doctor-who-season-1-episode-5-dot-and-bubble-review-recap/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Auto Dollar
Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- ALT2: ... that the 2024 Doctor Who episode "Dot and Bubble" was first conceptualized in 2009? Source: https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/dot-bubble-doctor-who-black-mirror-newsupdate/
- Just wanted to provide a second ALT to pick from . TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @OlifanofmrTennant: The episode is not "'inspired by' Black Mirror", the source states nothing about inspiration and neither does the article, so please stop adding it here and in the article. ภץאคгöร 10:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Client Hints
- ... that Google's Client Hints proposal was initially classified as "harmful" by Firefox?
- Source: Senol, Asuman; Acar, Gunes (2023-11-26). "Unveiling the Impact of User-Agent Reduction and Client Hints: A Measurement Study". WPES '23: Proceedings of the 22nd Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society. ACM: 96. doi:10.1145/3603216.3624965. ISBN 979-8-4007-0235-8.
- ALT1: ... that Client Hints can be used to track you? Source: Senol, Asuman; Acar, Gunes (2023-11-26). "Unveiling the Impact of User-Agent Reduction and Client Hints: A Measurement Study". WPES '23: Proceedings of the 22nd Workshop on Privacy in the Electronic Society. ACM: 102. doi:10.1145/3603216.3624965. ISBN 979-8-4007-0235-8.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jan Leike
Sohom (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 3[edit]
Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)
- ... that writers for "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" researched the experiments of Nikola Tesla for the use of Stormfront's lightning in the episode?
- Reviewed:
TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Inauguration of Lai Ching-te
- ... that China launched a joint military exercise in response to Lai Ching-te's inauguration?
- Source: AP
- ALT1: ... that members of the Kuomintang refused to attend Lai Ching-te's inauguration after losing by 10 percent? Source: Radio Taiwan International
- Reviewed:
- Comment: First time here at DYK, please correct me if I make any mistakes, thanks!
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Umbilicaria torrefacta
- ... that traditional Scottish tartans and textiles have been naturally dyed with lichens like Umbilicaria torrefacta?
- Source: Grierson, S., Duff, D. G., & Sinclair, R. S. (1985). Natural Dyes of the Scottish Highlands. Textile History, 16(1), 23–43. https://doi.org/10.1179/004049685793701223
- ALT1: ... that historically lichens like Umbilicaria torrefacta have been used to naturally dye traditional Scottish tartans and textiles?
- Reviewed:
Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Alan Choe
- ... that Singaporean architect and urban-planner Alan Choe was tasked with developing Queenstown, the city-state's first satellite town, after the British architects had to leave the country midway in the 1950s? Source: Straits Times (Singapore)
Ktin (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 4[edit]
Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr.
- ... that according to a biography of John D. Rockefeller, "At times ... Rockefeller sounded more like Karl Marx than our classical image of the capitalist"?
- Source: "Chernow proposes a shrewder thought: 'At times, when he railed against cutthroat competition and the vagaries of the business cycle, Rockefeller sounded more like Karl Marx than our classical image of the capitalist.'" Morrow, Lance. (June 15, 1998) "Oil in the family". Time Magazine. Vol. 151, no. 23.
DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 5[edit]
Chihiro (song)
- ... that "Chihiro" was titled in reference to the main character of Spirited Away? Source: ref: "Chihiro" is named after the protagonist from Hayao Miyazaki's 2001 film "Spirited Away," a fantastical coming-of-age journey that's been widely celebrated for its multi-layered storytelling and animation style.
- Reviewed:
dxneo (talk) 23:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
Nathan Steuer
- ... that Nathan Steuer (pictured) started tournament level Magic: The Gathering as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
- Source: https://magic.gg/news/the-week-that-was-the-greatest-steuer-ever-told "The year was 2015, and young Nathan Steuer was playing in his first-ever Grand Prix Day Two."
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210513172806/https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpsd15/magical-futures-2015-08-09 "We used to tease him about the ‘13 and up' on Magic packaging until he cracked back ‘It's just recommended'." https://magic.gg/news/the-week-that-was-the-greatest-steuer-ever-told
- ALT1: ... that Magic: The Gathering world champion Nathan Steuer (pictured) started tournament level play as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
- Same content just a bit more explicit about why he's a big deal.
GRuban (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
Houdini (Eminem song)
- ... that Houdini makes use of abracadabra? Source: https://www.nme.com/news/music/steve-miller-reacts-to-eminem-interpolating-abracadabra-in-new-song-houdini-3761618
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler
- Comment: Possibly a bit early, but this would make a good April Fools' hook. Lk95 started this off and I just added a bunch to it, a reviewer can adjudicate on whether anyone else deserves credits.
Launchballer 09:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
Lookwide Camp
- ... that when the Lookwide Camp was announced, the location had not yet been selected?
- Source: Gaskell, Erin; AI-assisted reporter (2023-10-18). "Scouts commemorate historical 'Lookwide Camp' with annual night hike". Hexham Courant.
--evrik (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 6[edit]
María Pacheco
- ... that after the death of her husband, María Pacheco led the Revolt of the Comuneros in Toledo?
- Source: *Fink De Backer, Stephanie (2004). "Rebel with a Cause: The Marriage of María Pacheco and the Formation of Mendoza Identity". In Nader, Helen (ed.). Power and Gender in Renaissance Spain: Eight Women of the Mendoza Family, 1450-1650. University of Illinois Press. pp. 79–81. ISBN 0-252-02868-6.
- ALT1: ... that plants have had difficulty growing in the centre of Toledo since 1522, when Spanish royalists salted the earth where María Pacheco had led the Revolt of the Comuneros? Source: *Fink De Backer, Stephanie (2004). "Rebel with a Cause: The Marriage of María Pacheco and the Formation of Mendoza Identity". In Nader, Helen (ed.). Power and Gender in Renaissance Spain: Eight Women of the Mendoza Family, 1450-1650. University of Illinois Press. pp. 81–82. ISBN 0-252-02868-6.
- ALT2: ... that Spanish chroniclers thought María Pacheco, the leader of the Revolt of the Comuneros, was a witch? Source: Fleming, Gillian B. (2018). "Vengeance (1520-1522)". Juana I: Legitimacy and Conflict in Sixteenth-Century Castile. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 270. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-74347-9. ISBN 978-3-319-74346-2.
- ALT3: ... that after Moriscos attended the wedding of María Pacheco, her father claimed it as a sign of his success in promoting religious tolerance, in direct opposition to the Spanish Inquisition? Source: *Fink De Backer, Stephanie (2004). "Rebel with a Cause: The Marriage of María Pacheco and the Formation of Mendoza Identity". In Nader, Helen (ed.). Power and Gender in Renaissance Spain: Eight Women of the Mendoza Family, 1450-1650. University of Illinois Press. pp. 72–73, 77–78. ISBN 0-252-02868-6.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gladys Stone Wright
Grnrchst (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Breaking Through (2022 film)
- ... that in order to embody her acting role as a short-track speed skater in the movie Breaking Through, actress Meng Meiqi inserted a rock in one of her ice skates in order to feel real pain?
- ALT1: ... that the 2022 Chinese sports drama movie Breaking Through was shot in Northeast China at temperatures of −10 °C (14 °F)? Source: 《我心飞扬》曝海报 孟美岐领衔“四朵金花”冲金
- ALT2: ... that for her role as short-track speed skater in the movie Breaking Through, actress Meng Meiqi gained a weight of 15 kg (33 lb) in order to be closer in terms of physique of a short-track speed skater? Source: 《我心飞扬》曝海报 孟美岐领衔“四朵金花”冲金
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Daniel Chapo
Toadboy123 (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Maryland Child Victims Act
- ... that C. T. Wilson, the sponsor of the Maryland Child Victims Act, is himself a survivor of child sexual abuse?
- ALT1: ... that the Maryland Catholic Conference has spent more than $1 million lobbying against the Maryland Child Victims Act since 2017? Source: https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/politics-power/archdiocese-of-baltimore-priest-sex-abuse-reform-3URC6ARZOBFA5FCXWDJDGUOYF4/
- ALT2: ... that Maryland state delegate C. T. Wilson compared negotiating with the Catholic Church on the Maryland Child Victims Act to making "a deal with the devil"? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/when-maryland-gave-abuse-victims-more-time-to-sue-it-may-have-also-protected-institutions-including-the-catholic-church/2019/03/31/769537ca-4f3a-11e9-911a-7d51996d6f38_story.html
- Reviewed:
Y2hyaXM (talk) 02:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 7[edit]
Wu shu (history)
- ... that the compilation of the Wu shu was hampered by the execution of two of of the compilation committee's members?
- Source: in the article
- Reviewed:
Kzyx (talk) 00:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC).
Scybalium fungiforme
- ... that the flowers of Scybalium fungiforme are covered in sharp scales that require opossums, with their opposable claws, to tear them open?
- Source: "Today, scientists have added another oddity to the list. Researchers had long suspected that because the female flowers of S. fungiforme are covered in hard scales that shield its nectar, it couldn't be pollinated by a bird or bee. And now, thanks to night vision cameras, scientists have their culprit: opossums." Shultz, David (12 February 2020). "Caught in the act: Opossums pollinate bizarre parasitic plant". Science. American Association for the Advancement of Science. doi:10.1126/science.abb2822. Retrieved 7 June 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Tailfeathers
- Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!
Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Victor Jacob Koningsberger
- ... that the botanist Victor Jacob Koningsberger (pictured) spoke out against the expulsion of Jewish academics in the occupied Netherlands?
- Source: "Koningsbergerlezing" [Koningsberger Lecture] (in Dutch). Utrecht University. Archived from the original on 29 March 2024.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
1964 New York World's Fair pavilions
- ... that several 1964 New York World's Fair pavilions were later sent to ski lodges and universities? Source: Multiple in article, including Samuel, Lawrence R. (August 30, 2007). The End of the Innocence: The 1964–1965 New York World's Fair (1st ed.). Syracuse University Press. pp. 85-86; Cohn, Al (June 24, 1967). "What Ever Happened to the World's Fair". Newsday. p. 14W.
- ALT1: ... that one New York man built a house out of several 1964 New York World's Fair pavilions? Source: Reif, Rita (April 16, 1968). "How to Build a House: Tear Down World's Fair and the Met". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that some nonexistent 1964 New York World's Fair pavilions were displayed on official maps of the fair? Source: "Visitors at the Fair Seek Sights Not to Be Seen". The New York Times. August 11, 1964
- ALT3: ... that one 1964 New York World's Fair pavilion was not completed until the fair's 1964 season was over? Source: Long, Tania (October 17, 1964). "Belgian Village Finished at Last: Medieval 'city' Just in Time for World's Fair Closing". The New York Times. p. 29.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks later. I copied a few paragraphs from the 1964 New York World's Fair article, but that info was added by me on June 4, so I think it still meets the newness criterion.
Epicgenius (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Maria Luigia Pizzoli
- ... that Italian pianist and composer Maria Luigia Pizzoli (pictured) died a year after her first public appearance due to a heart disease?
- Source: Both sources in article.
SL93 (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
2018 Malang mayoral election
- ... that two of three candidates of the 2018 Malang, Indonesia mayoral election were arrested for bribery before the election? Source: [43]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBD
- Comment: -
Juxlos (talk) 08:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Better Off Dead?
- ... that a reviewer called a documentary on assisted suicide "so funny"? Source: "What I wasn't expecting was for it to be quite so funny." Better Off Dead review – a powerful (and funny) case against assisted dying
- ALT1: ... that a reviewer said that Better Off Dead? "unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it"? Source: "Every so often, a documentary comes along that unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it." The week in TV: Better Off Dead?; Bridgerton; The Gathering; The Big Cigar – review
- ALT2: ... that in Better Off Dead?, there is an automated hotline for assisted suicide? Source: "We hear the automated voice message on the 24-hour Maid hotline that those seeking to die can call." Better Off Dead? review – Liz Carr’s blistering film may well change your mind about assisted dying
- Reviewed: Grant Hermanns
Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Ernest J. King
- ... that Admiral Ernest J. King (pictured) was so tough it was said that he shaved with a blowtorch? Source: https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/articles/shaving-with-a-blowtorch/
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]
Special occasion holding area[edit]
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- Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section above, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began; indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
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