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Speedy renaming and merging[edit]

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list: 

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use: 

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use: 

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 22:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 78 open requests (refresh).

Current requests[edit]

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

Comment. @Omnis Scientia: We should also take up the parent category for renaming George IV of the United Kingdom to George IV under this reasoning. Mason (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison:, good catch! Will do. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Added for this and also for the categories of William IV and George III. Categories for every British Monarch after William and before George matches their article names. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed requests[edit]

  • None currently

On hold pending other discussion[edit]

  • None currently

Moved to full discussion[edit]

  • @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current discussions[edit]

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June 6[edit]

NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]

Category:Back at the Barnyard[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Actually, Back at the Barnyard is the name of the television series based on the film, so Barnyard would be the correct title. ApuNahasapeemapetilon1989 (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Eyewear people[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Mason (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Categories by city in Burundi[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this category is a redundant layer. Mason (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th-century Wallachian poets[edit]

Nominator's rationale: 3x merge there are at most 6 people in this poet tree, without a real need to diffuse by century. I made a potential merge target category because Category:Wallachian poets didn't exist as a category.Mason (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm guessing I should create an indefinite number of articles for the Wallachian poets that are currently missing, because there being currently 6 articles is not enough (unlike the three articles in Category:Emperors of Thessalonica and the four articles in Category:Aqua (band) members, both of which are just right). I mean, what else are we to do with our time on wikipedia than to satisfy this type of requests? Dahn (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete; the idea for this category clearly came from a good faith place but I don't see how helpful it is. Losing a pregnancy is a lot more common than people think, and the further back you go in history the more common it was. Its not a defining characteristic of any of these women even though it was likely a defining moment (or moments) in their lives. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. and agree with the assessment that its creation was in good faith. There might be a handful, like Catherine of Aragon, where you could make a case that it was defining, but it's a stretch. (And if anything henry the 8th's experience with pregnancy loss would probably be more defining...) Mason (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See also recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle follow-up FYI. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic or national descents[edit]

Nominator's rationale: all subcategories in Category:People by descent are named "by descent", there is no reason to name these categories differently. Aldij (talk) 15:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Drake & Josh video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category only consists of two articles. There were no other Drake and Josh games produced. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with the Institute for Cultural Research[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:DEFINING. I looked at four articles in this category. None mentioned The Institute for Cultural Research. Daask (talk) 14:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cornish people of Irish descent[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Irish people in Great Britain is already in the categories 'Irish diaspora in the United Kingdom' and 'British people of Irish descent'. Aldij (talk) 14:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, there is only one article in this category and it does not match. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chief Ministers of Anguilla[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Up until 2019 the office was known as Chief Minister of Anguilla, but the Anguilla Constitution (Amendment) Order 2019 renamed the position as Premier. Aldij (talk) 12:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, presuming it is just a name change of the office and nothing else. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of foods by nationality[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Food does not have a nationality; only human beings do. Aldij (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baptist Bible College & Seminary alumni[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 member as a notable alumnus. I have listed him along with 2 faculty members in the article Clarks Summit University. – Fayenatic London 11:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mistresses of Louis Philippe II, Duke of Orléans[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Only sovereigns have mistresses categories, even then when there sufficient enough to warrent it. Only two articles in this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, only two articles in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mistresses of Frederick, Prince of Wales[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Only sovereigns have categories for mistresses. In any case, there are only two articles (confirmed mistresses) in this category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ok, it is a very small category, but it's news to me that only sovereigns have categories for mistresses. Where is Wikipedia policy on this? PatGallacher (talk) 13:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PatGallacher, it's just an observation, I wasn't stating any rule. Every such category belongs to a sovereign of a nation except for two, both of which are small (only two articles each). I personally think these particular categories (for mistresses) should be limited to sovereigns who were known for having many mistresses. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do have mistresses of John F. Kennedy, Julius Caesar and Benito Mussolini. PatGallacher (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PatGallacher, sorry I meant for royalty. We can't create categories for any male royal known to keep mistresses. Its best to keep royal mistresses categories for specific royals to sovereigns while the rest can be sorted into Category:Mistresses of British royalty. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, only two articles in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fast & Furious lists[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No need for a cat that has two articles. It can be safely upmerged and individual articles can be merged up to any other relevant cats. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to relevant categories the nominator's reasoning makes logical sense. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Books by Ivar Hippe[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation. There's no epon parent category and only one book in here. Mason (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aerial operations and battles of World War II involving the Netherlands[edit]

Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Triple upmerge for now. NLeeuw (talk) 04:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Futurist photography[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There's only one person in this entire category tree. The parent category (Futurist photography) only contains this category. Mason (talk) 02:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian Futurist composers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Duel merge for now. this category is really narrow and the parent category (Futurist composers ) isn't in need to diffusion yet. Mason (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Modernist women composers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Narrow category at the intersection of occupation, gender, and specific movement. The only person in the category is already in the right parent categories Mason (talk) 02:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Climate change filmmakers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Narrow intersection Mason (talk) 02:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, one article isn't really about a filmmaker, the other article isn't really about climate change. I do not have a conceptual objection to the category though. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Polish cinematographers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The norm has been that modern professions like modeling, cinematographers, etc aren't diffused by century. Mason (talk) 02:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Landforms of Akmola Region[edit]

Nominator's rationale: So many redundant categories made (mostly) by the same user. Mason (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]



June 5[edit]

Category:Churches in Kazakhstan by location[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Multiple redundant layers Mason (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Academic staff of the Technical University of Berlin[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The main category was already renamed (Technical University of Berlin is a misnomer and a mistranslation) SFBB (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Technical University of Berlin alumni[edit]

Nominator's rationale: the main article was already renamed SFBB (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you forgot the stubs to the rename. And I think that these could be speedied. Mason (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I had made a blooper with the rename request. Just corrected it. SFBB (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Technical University of Berlin[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Main article was already renamed SFBB (talk) 23:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fraternities and sororities based in Indianapolis[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete Merge; as far as I can see, there are no other "by state" categories for fraternities and sororities and, from my understanding, these can have multiple chapters in multiple states. Updated: I realized merging is the better option than outright deleting the category.Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Hardly anyone originates from Indianapolis. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Oratorio and passion librettists by nationality[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have this category with only one (or two) nationalities in it, when the parent categories are very empty. Mason (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, all four articles in the category are about events after the establishment of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom.
NLeeuw (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mistresses of Charles Edward Stuart[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete; only two articles. Also, I don't think this fits with "British royalty" since Charles Edward Stewart was born well after his grandfather was dethroned. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Universities in West Africa[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category:Universities and colleges in Africa not categorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles in Bohemia[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location, and in 2021 Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 13#Category:Battles on Czech lands. All items are already in Category:Battles of the Austro-Prussian War (which might be worth putting in Category:Military history of the Czech Republic?) or Category:Battles involving Bohemia, more specifically Category:Battles of the Hussite Wars. NLeeuw (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sport in the Middle East[edit]

Nominator's rationale: West Asia and the Middle East largely overlap, so we do not need both categories. We already have categories for South Asia, Central Asia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia. Therefore, it makes more sense to keep the West Asia category and eliminate the "Middle East" category. This would align better with the existing geographic categorization. Aldij (talk) 08:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American promotions teams and stables[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Current title looks a little odd in my opinion. ★Trekker (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ancient culture of Pakistan[edit]

Nominator's rationale: delete, no other modern countries have a category like this, and the two articles are also quite unconnected. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unlike such categories as Category:Prehistoric Pakistan, this is anachronistic on principle. We categorize ancient culture by culture or region, not by modern-day countries. Neither article even belongs — one article is a historical era, and the other is a site dated to the early modern period. They are already in other subcategories of the applicable parents. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Violence in Palestine (region)[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There's another category created before. See Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories. -- Mhhossein talk 06:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hinglaj Mata[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, the category only contains a single image. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The Hinglaj Mata Temple doesn't have any scope for a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Added relevant article pages to the category-the main temple and another a fort. Krayon95 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From the article itself, the fort is either named or developed after a temple of the said goddess. Krayon95 (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the new situation, delete, the category contains two different sorts of buildings in entirely different places. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We already established that one article is about a fort. No objection to recreate the category when a handful of articles about Hinglay Mata temples have been written, but for the time being we even lack a stand alone Hinglaj Mata article. Also note that Hinglaj Mata Temple is already in Category:Durga temples which is properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Romans from Africa[edit]

Nominator's rationale: rename, many of these people were not Romans. Aligning this with e.g. Category:Roman-era people by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ondrej Nepela Memorial templates[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This is exactly the same as a recently deleted category from Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_27#Category:Nepela_Memorial, except that category was created in April 2024 and this one was created in 2008, and this category also includes only one template instead of four. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bgsu98 (talk · contribs) removed the only member, Template:Nepela Memorial, without explanation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amateur sport in Kazakhstan[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Numerous redundant category layers for a single region Mason (talk) 02:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mosques in Libya by city[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Dual Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a redundant category like this. Mason (talk) 02:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Welsh-speaking writers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. I didn't speedy this because I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. Mason (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just delete, assuming the header is right about these are English-language writers. Being able to speak Welsh but not write in Welsh is a non-defining characteristic of a writer. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete What langauge one speaks is almost always a trivial characteristic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. What language one speaks is not always a trivial characteristic, and certainly not when it's a minority language; that is a monoglot's view. However, I accept that there are few writers who speak but don't write in Welsh. What would make sense is to ensure that any entry that is in both categories is present in [[Category:Anglo-Welsh writers]], which is the normal way of describing Welsh writers who do not speak/write in Welsh. The latter are, in a sense, the odd ones out. Please make sure this is listed at the relevant Wikiprojects. Deb (talk) 07:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The intersection between being able to speak a language and the occupation of writing not a defining intersection. Mason (talk) 22:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That depends on many things. Again, your statement sounds like a monoglot view. Deb (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just delete per Marco and Laundry. NLeeuw (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Geography by former colony[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's not necessary to distinguish this level of granularity of what kind of former entity it is (colony versus former country) Mason (talk) 00:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Imperial Roman admirals[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Merge/Purge (the bzyatine category). There's no need to create this parent category of Imperial Roman Foo. It just serves to isolate Byzantine and Ancient Roman child categories from other former nations. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown for a recent conversation about naming of Roman categories. Mason (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


June 4[edit]

Sportspeople by populated place and sport[edit]

  • Propose renaming
Copy of speedy
  • @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: So we have two options here: A: rename to "Category:Baseball players from Foo by populated place"; or B: "Category:Fooian baseball players by populated place". Either way, the split should be at the end and should be "populated place" per recent Cfds. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging the following from speedy discussion: @Armbrust, @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, @Liz. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support renaming to either option. I have a slight preference for B for no particular reason. As long as we're consistent, I'm content. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alder carrs[edit]

Convert Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr
Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This category appears regularly as a feature on early Ordnance Survey maps. Leutha (talk) 08:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leutha Can you explain the importance/definingness of the category because I'd really like to understand the logic. Happy to support keeping it in that case. Mason (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iran articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Sudan articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Italy articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:France articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovakia articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central Asia articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serbia articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Montenegro articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. @Gonnym, I think you should combine all these "deprecated tags" categories under one banner. They are a bit spread over the page and it would also make deciding easier. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Post-independence history of Bengal[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, both this category and its parent contain only a few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Seems reasonable to combine them. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Catholicism articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template. Gonnym (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:European Microstates articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by a template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Africa articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Africa. Gonnym (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fantasy articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Fantasy. Gonnym (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vatican City articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Vatican City or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States articles with deprecated tags[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject United States or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories cover nearly the same period. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - early modern age in Lithuania according to my knowledge starts a century before 1569 (if we take 1453 as the starting year of early modern age). Seems a bit much to make out those to be identical.--+JMJ+ (talk) 22:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Around 1500 is most often mentioned as the start of the early modern age and articles about the period between 1500 and 1569 can still be put in the early modern category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Early modern history of Bengal[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crime action films[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Hybrid genre term that is not in common usage (unlike lets say, action comedy or even action thriller). Searching for it on google, gives one imdb list, then several lists for one genre or the other. Per the action film article, "Action films often interface with other genres. Yvonne Tasker wrote that films are often labelled action thrillers, action-fantasy and action-adventure films with different nuances." Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also nominating the following:

Does this do the job @Marcocapelle:? Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - large enough and common-enough to be kept. Netflix has a "Crime Action & Adventure Movies" category. Amazon has a "Best Sellers in Crime Action Fiction" category. The category structure is well-maintained & populated: ~400 pages, all of which contain crime.action|action.crime. Also, it sounds like nom might want to rename to "action-crime", which, if there's consensus for, would be preferable to deletion.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An anonymous sorting algorithm on netflix is not really a way to seriously categorize genre, same for the Amazon section which also appears to be sorting novels, not films. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would suggest reading Action film#Hybrid genres before responding if possible. From academic points of view, categorizing genres by hybrids is not really useful on understanding what they are about and when they are applied by fans, journalists, historians etc., the terms are used vaguely and with various connotations to what the genre means. This is why having them categorized like this is not helpful. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "I would suggest reading Action film#Hybrid genres": you mean the part you added 3 hours before basing this CfD off of it?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This was a section added months ago, i've re-vised it on reading the source in question, which was selectively using what was sourced. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all: Action films are synonymous with violence, and crime films are not complete without that. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support, I can't really imagine crime films without action. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As said above, we don't really need a hybrid form of this per Crime action film. There is no set definition of hybrid genres and trying to view films as these hybrids is basically a fools errand. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge, now there is only one article and I see no potensial for the growth. Aldij (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians[edit]

Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Firelei Báez[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Contains only two non-free files and not even the main article Firelei Báez. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Fwiw I have added the main article to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as creator, main article + files seems useful enough for a cat. I don't feel too strongly about it but would like to see that for other people who have both articles and media here. – SJ + 01:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is not useful for as long as there aren't a sufficient amount of other articles about the topic that readers can navigate too. See also WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian music series[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Coke Studio (franchise)[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Probably unnecessary disambiguation. This is missing a parent article about the franchise as a whole, or the original Brazilian series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Single-article uncategorized category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Galician animated films[edit]

Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Higher Walton F.C. players[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized, single-article category for a defunct football club without a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, just needs some research for other footballers to be added to it - I simply have not got around to it yet (and where are the Lancastrian football experts who could be doing so???) In Vitrio (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per LaundryPizza03 and Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The TV series (currently at Category:PAW Patrol), and the franchise are not the same thing. See also Talk:PAW_Patrol#Split_and_move_proposal. Gonnym (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both into Category:PAW Patrol - This situation reminds me of similar franchises like Category:SpongeBob SquarePants and Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender. This way, there is also reasonably enough articles for a category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Members of the League of Women Voters[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lean towards merge. Given that it's not very defining by itself. Mason (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose given that both nominee and target are very large categories, and no navigational value seems to be served by throwing them together. NLeeuw (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


June 3[edit]

Category:American non-binary actors by media[edit]

Nominator's rationale: American nonbinary actors has just over a 100 articles in it. There's no reason to subdivide it by media. Most of these actors are going to be in multiple of the categories anyway. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 22:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A comparison of the three categories finds a heavy overlap in the current contents, with Carl Clemons-Hopkins being in all three. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per the nominator's rationale. The total number of American enby actors in the category (adding the subcategories) is about a hundred only. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge. It's possible that in the future there will be enough pages to need diffusion, but not yet. Mason (talk) 00:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:This TV[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep @Mvcg66b3r: Do you have a reliable source for this? I don't think the company being defunct justifies the deletion of the topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean keep. Being defunct doesn't justify deletion. Mason (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:This TV affiliates[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean keep. But why delete. Being defunct isn't a reason to delete. We'd have to delete Category:Roman Empire, using that logic. Mason (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving ancient peoples[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, no clear distinction versus its parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Internet Relay Chat daemons[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Not enough content to warrant this category. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. The target is currently nominated for speedy renaming to Category:IRC. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Internet Relay Chat services[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Consists only of IRC services, which is already appropriately categorized, and redirects to it. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies[edit]

Nominator's rationale: If you have to say "Xs, Ys, and Zs" in the category name and despite that you can only find three members then they're clearly too loosely-affiliated to support a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge These are three completely different concepts. I don't know what a bouncer is, but the term is included in several redirects to BNC (software). A gateway connects two separate networks. A proxy serves as an intermediary between two servers in order to protect the privacy and security of one end. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wesley L. McDonald Distinguished Statesman and Stateswoman of Aviation Award[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Not even sure if this meets the criteria for a defining characteristic. Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of acts of the 54th New Zealand Parliament[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category:Parliament of New Zealand not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. There was one more article in the category, but that was not a list so I purged it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Võ Văn Thưởng[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Is this category necessary? None of the other Category:Presidents of Vietnam have eponymous categories. Gjs238 (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gautam Buddha Nagar[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with the suggested target. Gjs238 (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Galician films[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Appears to be redundant? Gjs238 (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Circassia[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with Category:Circassians. Gjs238 (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indigenous peoples in Louisiana[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category:Indigenous peoples in the United States doesn't subcategorize by state. Gjs238 (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cateogry:Indigenous peoples in the United States is vastly incomplete, wouldn't it make sense to subcategorize by state if the category included everything that fell under it? MiniYaChi (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Events at the Amway Center[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I don't believe Wikipedia categorizes events by venue? Gjs238 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ninety-Nines[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Newly created, uncategorized category contains people articles, I assume all members of "The Ninety-Nines." Gjs238 (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lounge[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous category as the word Lounge is quite a broad term. Gjs238 (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roman generals[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but that's not really responsive to nom. It's not helpful to have a Category:Roman generals by century when there's not even a regular generals by century category.Mason (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Great Britain[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This is a random mix of people who aren't activists. Purge the category and leave in actual activists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists", if only because that new name would be shorter and simpler, yet also straight to the point. AHI-3000 (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll wait for some consensus here before I proceed with the subcategories. Honestly, going through them, I don't think any of these people in any of these categories were checked to see if they actually were activists for Palestinian solidarity, particularly given a number of these aren't pro-Palestinian but rather anti-Israeli. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer keeping this category, I should add, since there is a big Palestinian movement and activists who are pro-Palestinian. I just think we should be careful who to put in. Some of these "pro-Palestinian" people aren't pro-Palestinian at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think renaming it to "Advocates for Palestinian Solidarity" would be best. NesserWiki (talk) 02:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support doing something, but mixed on the alternative rename. I think that the "Pro-Palestinian activists" are indeed a more specific subgroup that are definitely nested within Anti-racist activists. Perhaps splitting or nesting/reorganizing to acknowledge that there are also activists for Palestinian civil rights etc. idk 🤷 It's really complicated.Mason (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Smasongarrison, I only just noticed this and wanted to say thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge: a removal of articles about people who weren't activists is a no-brainer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Used on only 3 articles. Merge the category to Category:North American sports venue stubs. Follow-up CfD to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:North_American_sports_venue_stubs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup related lists[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There are just T20WC lists; no need for the term "related". Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of the T20 World Cup[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Same topic covered by both categories Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disinformation operations[edit]

Nominator's rationale: this is follow-up on this previous discussion. After purging it is more clearly about disinformation, but does not clearly distinguish itself from its parent Category:Disinformation. Hence manually merge (only insofar appropriate). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Coddlebean, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Hmains: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    do not agree 'Disinformation' is a about a fact: false and misleading information. 'Disinformation operations' is about a process, something that people are organized to carry out, generally by a political entity of some kind. Very different articles involved, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Kurdish people by occupation and century[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Kurdish women politicians[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now: Isolated category at a currently narrow intersection of ethnicity, gender, occupation and century. Mason (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of films by date[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't agree that it is redundant, it helps keep the parent category less crowded.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is 14 or 15 subcategories, that does not make the difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Uruguay-cemetery-stub[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete both, as there isn't any article in this category it is not helpful to redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Joseph de Goislard de Monsabert[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has the eponymous page and a image of statue of their likeness, which is not needed/helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


June 2[edit]

Category:16th- and 17th-century warrior types[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories largely overlap. Possibly create a new Category:Combat occupations of the early modern period as the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:12th-century Spanish sculptors[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge for now. There are isolated categories with a single person in it Mason (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Earthquakes in the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]

Nominator's rationale: 1 P. NLeeuw (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Specifies what's in the category The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
not sure this is a good idea. because some things might not be a song for example the New Ho King restaurant which got very famous because of the feud. there was also a pizzeria, and if more things comes up "songs" would not make sense Freedun (yippity yap) 00:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Government of the Ghaznavid Empire[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Government of the Timurid Empire[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretenders part 1[edit]

Propose upmerging...
...to Category:Pretenders for now.
Nominator's rationale: WP:MFN. All these cats have fewer than 5 articles in them, and therefore hardly aid navigation. I am preparing other discussions on lists and categories of pretenders (see User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Line of succession to the former X throne), but this is an easy first step. NLeeuw (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, these are not currently not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge for all the reasons listed. Mason (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Spanish Roman Catholics[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Isolated category Mason (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:12th-century Arab historians[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the Category:Medieval Islamic world WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for WP:POV reasons. NLeeuw (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?Mason (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep' The nomination seems confused, perhaps fatally - the category is "PRE-1948" so it is not for "painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948." In the 19th-century context "Holy Land" is certainly the term that would have been used by the artists and their publics, & I don't think it is POV. If people want to delete it on those grounds they should think of alternatives, as it seems a valid category. Rather than being "an extremely narrow theme", it saw a big boom in the 19th century, partly as a branch of Orientalist painting. The category misses the most famous people, at least in the Anglosphere - where are William Holman Hunt, Edward Lear, James Tissot and many others? Johnbod (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see only one of the 5 described as "Orientalist" (and Marcocapelle just categorised then as such). James Tissot is indeed a name I recognise as painting events from the Hebrew Bible, though not necessarily "the Holy Land". E.g. File:Tissot The Women of Midian Led Captive by the Hebrews.jpg supposedly took place in southern Transjordan in what is now Saudi Arabia.
Moreover, a lot of them were apparently Jewish, while "Holy Land" is a Christian term. It's really difficult to shape a category around such a vague concept with the people currently and proposed to be in there.
I should add that "Holy Land" can be an appropriate term if the subject in question is entirely Christian, for, by and about Christians, e.g. Recovery of the Holy Land. No other phrase will describe that late medieval Christian literary genre that aptly. But for these painters...? I'm not convinced. NLeeuw (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Arabic Wikipedia ar:الأراضي المقدسة says: The Holy Land is a term used in the Christian and Jewish religions to refer to the holy places in Palestine, especially Jerusalem , Bethlehem, and Nazareth...
Hebrew Wikipedia he:ארץ הקודש says: Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land".[Source needed] However, the Bible refers to it explicitly as "holy land" in only one passage, the book of Zechariah, chapter 2, verse 16.
It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice.
At any rate, if 19th-century and early 20th-century Orientalist is our scope, why not use the term Levant instead? It fits the period well, is broader than just Palesrael, and is not as politically and religiously charged. NLeeuw (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
  • Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 2.110 results
  • Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 1.950 results
  • Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 207 results
  • Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 223 results
Neither "holy land" or "levant" is particularly likely to be part of the title. Painting the Holy Land in the Nineteenth Century (1997) and Visions of the East: Influence of the Levant on the Italian Renaissance (2015) are two rare exceptions to this rule.
David Roberts is often mentioned, but more frequently with "Palestine" than with "Holy Land". His bio David Roberts (painter) uses the term "Holy Land" no fewer than 12 times, though usually in conjuction with other 'countries' around it: his travelogue The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia comprises about half of those mentions.
Gustav Bauernfeind (not yet in this category) is more usually associated with "Levant"; in fact, his bio has Gustav Bauernfeind#Painting the Levant, mentioning 'the Levant, the Orient, Ottoman Palestine, Jerusalem, Lebanon, Syria, the Holy Land'. Seems to me that Levant is the broadest, most encompassing and inclusive term of the two (or three if we count 'Palestine'). As it is broader, it could also include paintings of certain biblical narratives that are set in Transjordan (such as the one of Tissot referenced above), which may or may not be included under the term "Holy Land". It might be a good idea to add a catdesc that gives a description of what we mean by 'Levant', and the term 'Holy Land' does seem fitting there (amongst the other regions/countries I mention in this comment) instead of in the catname itself. Maybe that's an acceptable compromise? NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Something like catname: Category:Orientalist painters of the Levant
Catdesc:
This category is for Orientalist painters who created landscape paintings of the Levant (before 1948), including the Holy Land / Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Arabia (?), and Egypt.
Might that work? NLeeuw (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former high schools in Tokyo[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. No need to diffuse highschools within a specific populated place and status (Defunct vs current; note that one of the targets is currently being speedy renamed from Category:Former high schools in Japan) Mason (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was apparently missing the difference between "Tokyo" and "Japan" :-( Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Tokyo is equivalent to a prefecture, not a city, in a manner like a U.S. state. I'm not sure if this would make the category more viable, or if there should still be a split? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Legendary creatures[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While I'm not necessarily opposed to merging related folklore/legend/mythology categories together, I don't know which goes where. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Male ghosts[edit]

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. Merging is not necessary, the single article is already in Category:Asian ghosts. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Splitting by gender is not trivial for living people, fictional characters, mythological figures or folklore figures. It's the simplest most commonplace way to difuse categories, and gender has and continues to have defining impact on all humans and all reflections of humans in culture.★Trekker (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose deleting/containerizing for these same reasons. Gender is a useful distinction for categories about real people, fictional characters, and mythical figures alike. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per StarTrekker. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per discussion, spookily defining. Both categories are well stocked (especially the female ghosts) and informative to readers interested in the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Gender is a defining aspect of the topic. There are many variations of the White Lady ghost, and specific reports of ghostly nuns. Dimadick (talk) 13:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People educated at Skerry's College[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Skerry's College wasn't an individual college, it was a series of courses that preped you for the civil servants examine. Mason (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Highly defining and probably too thinly populated. That Skerry's College was a commercial chain of schools, plus early distance learning, is neither here nor there. For working class people it was one of very few options for post-schoool education available in the UK at the time, & a key element of the biographies of the working-class heroes in the category. Johnbod (talk) 21:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British LGBT civil servants[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being LGBT and being a civil servant. Per EGRS, the intersection must be relevant. Notably, there isn't a LGBT civil servant category. Mason (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rhythm games[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. Nominator requested withdrawal. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Some may not agree with me but there are several reasons I have for this merge. First of all, many video games labeled as a rhythm game in their articles are instead located in Category:Music video games, and now especially since I recently removed all subcategories in this category except for Rhythmic action games. Secondly, the five languages that this category is also in (please ignore the French version since it has over a hundred articles but was created over a decade ago unlike the English version) have only a few articles in each one. Finally, rhythm game and music game may be different things, but the category for music video games as whole contains subcategories for various types of music game, often distinct from rhythm games, such as Karaoke or Dance games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I can't really see a problem here, neither of the three arguments is convincing. If many articles about rhythm games are not in this category yet, they should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Rhythm games are a distinct genre unto themselves with their own article separate from music games. Not all music games are rhythm based. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Speedy close, I guess this didn't really mean anything at the end. My bad. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Video games about undead and monsters[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I honestly want the category Video games about legendary creatures to be reverted, neither category alone is very populated in either way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for same reasons given below. Also you should've notified me about this too. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Multiple redundant category layers Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Music series[edit]

Nominator's rationale: So it is a video game series titled "Music". "Music series" is a bit to board i think. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rota (island)[edit]

Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tinian[edit]

Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Saipan[edit]

Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Sexuality-related controversies in film[edit]

Nominator's rationale: After purging, there is a single member of the category (Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Upmerge to parents for now without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


June 1[edit]

Category:Holden former executives[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish between former and (implicitly) current GM executives Mason (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scottish models by century[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Models, like other modern occupations, aren't diffused by century.Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7#Models_by_century. I urge the category creator to look at the deletion history/logs of a category before they create it. Mason (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Body horror video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Seems to be entirely original research, not a thing whatsoever in video games, or in horror video games. User has been warned repeated for adding, and now creating, incorrect categories. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and cleanup It apparently is a thing in video games, there are plenty of sources that describe games as body horror, such as this one and this one. Body horror also has its own parent article. I'm not really aware of what bad categories this user made, but either way, even a stopped clock is right twice a day and that alone isn't a reason to delete a viable category. Any games that sources don't describe as body horror should be removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Governing body of political parties[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant, incorrect on many counts. Nohe of the articles in the category is specifically about any "governing body". - Altenmann >talk 20:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection with occupation. Mason (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jews and Judaism in Sullivan County, New York[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Merge; category had a few summer camps, some not Jewish-specific, which have been moved to the appropriate categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, as there is only a Synagogues subcategory left. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ezo'la[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category is tagged with {{Correct title}} but there does not appear to exist any technical reason for it being at the current location. I still didn't go for WP:C2D to be safe. Nickps (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Humanities[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge because these single item categories doesn't help with navigation within this university. Further they don't even have eponymous pages. Mason (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Institute of Ukrainian Archaeography[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I think that these are the same organization Mason (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ongoing conflicts in the Middle East[edit]

Nominator's rationale: rename, there is no reason to limit this to ongoing conflicts, we do not have any other Ongoing conflicts category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Institutes of Nirma University of Science & Technology[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category to include the university. Main article is a redirect to Nirma University via Nirma University of Science & Technology Mason (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battles by location in Italy[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. Upmerging those that already have dedicated Military history of Fooland cats, Renaming those that have at least 5 P to Military history of Fooland, Upmerging those that have fewer than 5 P to History of Fooland for now. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central Greece[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Central Greece (region) is the modern administrative region (Περιφέρεια perifereia) established in 1987. Central Greece (geographic region) is the historic geographical region (γεωγραφικό διαμέρισμα geografiko diamerisma) abolished in 1987. I have WP:BOLDly renamed Central Greece (an WP:UNSOURCED article) to Central Greece (geographic region), and turned Central Greece into a DP, hoping to clarify the situation. Splitting the category is the next logical step. Child categories can be renamed if so desired per WP:C2C once this split is approved. NLeeuw (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is too simplistic a solution for a complex problem. I'll illustrate the problem with maps:
If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People with acquired citizenship or Naturalized citizens[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Merge; I don't see any difference between "Acquired citizenship" and "Naturalized citizen". Since I can't be sure, I will start this as a small Cfd before deciding on continuing with the rest. Also leave redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: "Naturalized citizens" categories are MUCH older than "Acquired citizenship" ones. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am inclined to support this, as I can't tell the difference either, but I am open to counter arguments. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. This is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace. All three were upmerged to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars without a location marker. Given all considerations, I would recommend Option 1, but I'm curious to hear what others have to say. NLeeuw (talk) 06:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prefer 1 too. Option 2 (having articles directly in a medieval category) would conflict with Category:Conflicts by time which mostly contains battles and option 3 and 4 are far from ideal as already pointed out by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taoists from Imperial China‎[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with religion. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion.
@Smasongarrison, Omnis Scientia, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Yinweiaiqing: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge mer nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Okay, I am in favour of upmerging for now all those categories that have fewer than 5 items (I had recommended such a follow-up, so thanks for that!). But you would even upmerge a relatively well-populated category like Category:Tang dynasty Taoists (26 P), as the specific dynasty is considered "trivial" in addition to each of these people being Taoists from Imperial China? Just making sure that we're all on the same page. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We might make an exception for the Song and Tang dynasty, since Taoism appears to be most widely accepted under these two dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to @Mason: In your last comment, you said to Yinweiaiqing you have made A LOT of categories that are still underpopulated. That's probably not true. As far as I know, all the underpopulated categories that I listed for possible future upmerging were created by other people over the course of many years, some going back to 2010. These were not created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago just to populate the Category:People from Imperial China by religion. I didn't check all edit histories, but all categories I checked weren't newly created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now for the tiny categories. Re; Good to know about Yinweiaiqing . I still stand by my repeated request that they populate their categories. But I do recognize that since I've raised the issue they haven't been making single person cateogories. Mason (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Syndromes with autism[edit]

Nominator's rationale: "Syndromic autism" is much more commonly used than "Syndromes with autism". For example, on Google Scholar, "Syndromes with autism" OR "Syndrome with autism" yields about 516 results[1], whereas "Syndromic autism" gives about 3,470 results[2]. Additionally, renaming this category would also make it correspond to Syndromic autism article. Digressivo (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Add Syndromic autism as Main article. NLeeuw (talk) 06:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic of these syndromes. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that co-occur and therefore when autism is one of these it is prominently listed in the RS and can be considered defining.
    I'm not against the rename but for reference the title was chosen for consistency with other "syndromes with" categories. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • They aren't syndromes with autism but rather syndromes with a slightly higher prevelance of autism than average. Most articles hardly make any reference to autism. A list would be much better in this case, and that is already included in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Career achievements of snooker players[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT Let'srun (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cartoon Network stubs[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Stub category no longer populated enough to warrant retention. As always, stub categories need to have a minimum of 60 articles, but after I detagged a handful of articles that were too long to be tagged as stubs at all this went from 25 to 20. It has existed in its current form since 2011, after being deleted as underpopulated in 2007 -- but was then tagged as underpopulated again in 2018, until that template was deleted at TFD, so it's not entirely clear that it was ever really adequately populated at all.
Even the 20 pages that are here are a bit of a random grab bag, as it's populated mainly by video game or album tie-ins to Cartoon Network programming and/or foreign channels that franchised Cartoon Network or Boomerang branding, rather than things that actually have much to do with the Category:United States television stubs parent -- so it's not at all clear that there are actually very many things that could be added here to get it back over 60 articles again. It's not generally standard practice, at any rate, to stub-tag things for overly specific associations like particular TV networks; WikiProject Cartoon Network already has project templates on the talk pages anyway, so this isn't serving any important purpose that isn't already being served elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
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I'm of two minds. The international Cartoon Network or Boomerang franchise channels would be fine in Category:Animation stubs, but the tie-in albums probably don't belong there at all, the couple of actual TV shows in this category are already in Category:Animated television series stubs alongside this as it is and thus don't need to be double-filed in the general animation parent, and there's also a person in this grab-bag who wouldn't belong there. So merging would be fine, as long as there's a purge along with it. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Omaha people[edit]

Nominator's rationale As there is only one recognized Omaha tribe, the Omaha Tribe of Nebraska (that is the official tribal name on the federal register), change this category's name to match the official name and get rid of the clunky parentheses. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Rename target?
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Category:Hospitals in Dharwad[edit]

Nominator's rationale: These categories are one half of a twin city Hubli-Dharwad. The cities have a single municipal corporation called Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation. (It's like the Twin-Cities Minnesota). Almost all of these categories were made by now blocked sock puppet. Mason (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Engineering colleges in Prakasham District[edit]

Nominator's rationale: A category for Prakasham District doesn't exist. Upmerge Mason (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pop-band-stub[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear utility. It's only used on a grand total of ten articles, so it doesn't have its own dedicated stub category and instead just sorts those articles into the generic Category:Musical group stubs -- but because every last one of those ten articles features this template alongside a "Nationality-band-stub" template that sorts its articles into a more specific national or continental subcategory of Category:Musical group stubs, that means this template is adding nothing but unnecessary parent-and-child duplicate categorization. Bearcat (talk) 00:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


May 31[edit]

Phonologists by nationality[edit]

Propose renaming

To reduce ambiguity, in the same vein as the subcategories of Category:Linguists by nationality, which were renamed after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 13#Linguists by nationality. Nardog (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lean support. Seems reasonable on its face. But I don't know if I'm missing something obvious.Mason (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure. Phonology does not seem to study the subject by every language. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does both, as does linguistics as a whole. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact e.g. a "Dutch phonologist" is ambiguous as to whether they're a phonologist from the Netherlands or someone who studies the phonology of Dutch. Nardog (talk) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Modern serif typefaces[edit]

Propose renaming Category:Modern serif typefaces to Category:Didone serif typefaces
Nominator's Rationale: Didone is a more common term for this typeface classification. (Didone (typography)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jothefiredragon (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the category.
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Category:Moorlands of the United Kingdom by country[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. These categories would be the only ones in the merge target Mason (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2001 abandonware games for Windows[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There are only a few categories. My mother is asking me to Ocean Grove right now so can't finish up right way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I want to have categories per year, as now. I created this category recently - there are many abandonware games per every year - please do not merge. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, there are only very few articles. I have merged the four nominations to one. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hamas bombers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: "bomber" is not an occupation. User:Namiba 01:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although the category had only 2 members when nominated, it could easily be populated with more. I just added Mohiyedine Sharif, Yahya Ayyash, Samar Sabih, and Nidal Farahat. Most of these were already in Category:Hamas military members. It might be worth re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, although that would leave Category:Hamas members by role pretty much empty. I think it is quite a redundant layer anyway; we could Upmerge it to Category:Hamas members instead. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Namiba So you agree with Upmerging Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members, and Re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members? If so, could you please tag Category:Hamas members by role accordingly, and change your proposal, or add it as an Alt proposal? Thanks in advance!
If you mean something else, please clarify, so we can discuss it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as Category:Hamas members by role has not been tagged for a week.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge somewhere. Bomber isn't defining. Mason (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Intersex rights by region[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Neither of the two categories (by continent), (by country) are regions. Furthermore, the parent category isn't crowded, so having this is the main category is helpful more navigation. Mason (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish-American history in West Virginia[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. There were two other articles which belonged in Category:Synagogues in West Virginia rather than here; I've moved them there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hamid Al-Shairi albums[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single redirect for an album that contains little info beyond its existence at the target article. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crossover characters in television[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I highly doubt this could be considered WP:DEFINING for a majority of these characters. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ming dynasty overseer of rituals[edit]

Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tambralinga[edit]

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory. Move the eponymous article to Category:History of Nakhon Si Thammarat. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai[edit]

Nominator's rationale: per article Kingdom of Chiang Mai. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'll need to think this over, but right now I'm leaning toward oppose as there's no consensus in history-writing on the English-language term used to refer to such rulers, though rulers is commonly used. On a related note, I notice you've attempted a reorganization to match the category's scope with that of the Kingdom of Chiang Mai article, which I'm not sure was optimal. As raised at Talk:Lan Na, there was not a separate "Kingdom of Chiang Mai", rather the article just covers the a period in Lan Na's history when it was under suzerainty of Bangkok, so it's probably the articles that need to be re-structured. But the categories can be updated again when and if that does happen. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works by year[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. The two first categories do not need another merge target, the articles are already in a subcategory of Category:4th-century works. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs from The Three Caballeros[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Barring the two redirects, none of the articles in this category originate in the film. Fails WP:DEFINING. (Oinkers42) (talk) 04:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Illeists[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Trivial association, non-defining. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, this may be added as a perfect example in WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (often a multitude of reliable sources, such as for Zlatan Ibrahimović and Donald Trump). Besides, there is a body of scientific research on the various contexts and psychological meaning of illeism (see section "In everyday speech" in article Illeism). --HPfan4 (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:UCLA Extension alumni[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This distinction for people who attended the extension school seems like an arbitrary distinction and is likely not defining for any of the two members in the category Mason (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge per nom. While you are right that there are other extension schools, this is the only one with a category and there doesn't seem to be a big difference between normal alumni and extension school alumni. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added to nom per @Omnis Scientia, pinging @FieldMarine. No one is saying that the extension school isn't notable, but that the distinction isn't defining for alumns. For example, Folks aren't introduced as UCLA Extension alumn, but they are as UCLA law school alumn. Mason (talk) 23:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia: Like at UCLA, the Harvard Extension School is one of the oldest colleges at Harvard University and it is distinct, with its own graduation exercises. With respect to, "Folks aren’t introduced as…", a Google search of, "Graduated from Harvard Extension School" shows people are frequently "introduced" with that distinction. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, at least Harvard's. HES has separate degrees (ALB, ALM which aren't earned at other schools at Harvard), commencement ceremony, etc. for the extension school like the rest of the schools. There are unique classes at HES, that aren't offered at other schools. If UCLA, LaSalle, and any others are more like Harvard, keep them separate as well. Patken4 (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Paintings by Karl Friedrich Lessing[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is the correct form in German, like you can see by the German Wikipedia [3] and other Wikipedias, and also by Wikipedia Commons [4].Mistico Dois (talk) 02:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, sources mentioned in the article use both C and K. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Answer The more correct and usual form in German is Carl Friedrich Lessing, as you can see by the German Wikipedia. The predominant way is Carl. But unfortunately you are right, both forms appear in a quick search in the Google, for example. But if the German Wikipedia uses the form Carl shouldn't that be the preferable?Mistico Dois (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: Couldn't you make the same argument in reverse? The logic would apply in both directions. (I'm not advocating that English Wikipedia dominates, but my point is that that's not a compelling argument by itself.)Mason (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Since Carl Friedrich Lessing was German, it makes sense the way his name is usually spelled there, even if there is an alternative way.Mistico Dois (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lean oppose. German language Wikipedia is not just for German nationals. Further, he looks to have been born in Poland. Again, my point is that your argument isn't very compelling for one Wikipedia to defer to another Wikipedia. Do you have any alternative arguments that don't rely on this premise? Mason (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Final comment Since both forms are used and several Wikipedias use both forms, I think it can go back to the previous form. I'm cancelling my request.Mistico Dois (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


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Category:Hatsune Miku[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Figure this one out for yourself. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy close as malformed (and without merit). - Altenmann >talk 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. The nominator needs to actually make a case for deletion. Mason (talk) 01:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural close no rationale given, and tag the nom for misuse of process -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @QuantumFoam66: please comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy close. User has edited since being pinged, demonstrates a lack of intent to see this discussion through. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who play Wuthering Waves[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pool writers and broadcasters[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Rename; three commentators and only one is a writer. The writer can be moved to the parent category. Alt: merge with Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters given its small size. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support either, prefer alt, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both) and a category of three is not very helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Split per previous precedent. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral for the moment. I'm concerned that such a split would result in some of the resultant categories being too small for our usual tolerance level. They were combined into a kind of "cue sports media people" hybrid for this very reason. The fact that two occupations (or whatever) can be distinguished does not mean that they must be, especially if the result will be problematic, and if the original more general category is appropriately categorized with regard to its content scope so that readers can find what they are looking for, as is the case here. If we're sure that some small categories that would result from the proposed split will be kept because they are part of systematic sports-occupation and media-occupation categorization structures, then I would support the split as ultimately clearer for readers (and for editors too, actually).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow intersection of characteristics, resulting in categories with just one entry each. While some "Manufacturing companies based in Specific-City" categories do exist for major US cities with a lot of articles to be filed there, like Los Angeles or Chicago or NYC, they do not need to exist right across the board the moment a smaller city or town has one manufacturing company with an article.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or six articles that can be filed in each of them, but it does not aid navigation to funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See request to relist (Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota was not tagged).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th century in Punjab[edit]

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. There is no need to merge, the subcategories are already under Category:History of Punjab, India and Category:History of Punjab, Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films directed by Youli Karassik[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Depopulated. Wrong name; correct: Category:Films directed by Yuli Karasik. - Altenmann >talk 19:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Category has been emptied. In these situations, you could always turn a category like this into a category redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know, thanks, but I don't want to encourage French spelling into English wikipedia. - Altenmann >talk 22:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rabbis at West London Synagogue[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete - I understand this was made in good faith per an ongoing Cfd on Category:West London Synagogue but there is no category tree for "religious leaders by religious building". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle, there are three such categories for Deans in Dublin only (as far as I can tell). Should I do all three or leave them for later? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle, ah okay, I see. @Headhitter, Deans and archbishops are assigned to a particular city or region. That is not the case here or with Judaism. Besides that, there are no similar "Rabbis by synagogues" tree so it doesn't make sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In any case, this was made despite there being an ongoing Cfd on the matter. You should have waited for that Cfd to close before creating this category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dynasties of the Jats[edit]

Nominator's rationale: rename, 4 of the 5 articles are about states rather than dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:120mm mortars[edit]

Nominator's rationale: MOS:UNITSYMBOLS and consistency with parent category 120 mm artillery Chris the speller yack 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems reasonable to me. Mason (talk) 23:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jat surname[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow small category. Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tulu children[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity and age Mason (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films directed by Udayasankar[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The subject's full name: https://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-articles/movies-06/vegam-review.html Kailash29792 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish summer camps in New Hampshire[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Triple merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Reform summer camps[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete; no other Jewish religious denomination has their own category. The two articles are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Works about Frankie Lymon[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Inajd0101 (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Inajd0101 (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1941 establishments in Indonesia[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Following the established format. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 05:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films about The Teenagers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No similar categories for musical acts/groups with only one film about them. Possible delete since film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Fair enough!
And also, yes please. Inajd0101 (talk) 04:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Deleting it would be fair enough. And yes, this film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. Inajd0101 (talk) 15:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 04:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I don't see why we need two separate categories. This causes confusion with many of the articles in Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) really belonging in Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't see this as an issue; its something that happens with a lot of categories which have further subcategories. Just move private schools which are in Melbourne to the appropriate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an interesting, but non-defining intersection between royalty, nationality, military service. Perhaps a list? Mason (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's true, perhaps then these would do better as a list. While these individuals would wear the same uniforms as others if in active service (that wasn't often the case), their commanding officer would know this person was a royal, and the officer would make it sure to neither give hard manual tasks to such personnel nor send them in the heat of battles. More often, the royals to whom I added these categories were given honorary ranks by the British Indian Army for having provided men from their princely states for colonial military expeditions and wars, such as the Waziristan campaigns, World War I and II, etc., and sometimes just as symbols of political expediency. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus to merge, but should it also be listified as suggested by Apandeyhp89?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • No objection to a list if User:Apandeyhp89 is willing to create and populate it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Orientls (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Autistic LGBT people[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This category is a the recreation of Category:LGBT people on the autism spectrum, which was deleted per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_31#Category:People_on_the_autism_spectrum as a non-defining intersection. The overall topic is notable, but individuals as the intersection of a specific disability and sexual orientation/identity doesn't really meet the higher bar of WP:egrs. I encourage the category creator to see if the category was previously created before they make more intersections with LGBT and disability. See for a similar ongoing argument for Lesbians with disabilities Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:Lesbians_with_disabilities Mason (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but disperse in the tree of Category:People on the autism spectrum in the first place. I am not sure about the proposed merge target because I do not know if autism is generally considered to be a disability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose/Keep I disagree that only identity+action are more defining than identity+identity, in fact I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT muderers (which one thing has nothing to do with each other, but since they are religioculturally/traditionally seen as sinful, then we have these guidelines). And as EGRS notes, When making a new category, be sure there is substantial existing research on that category of people specific to the occupation in relation to their sexual orientation. while making it unclear about identity+identity instead of occupation. And as you linked, the topic justifies it as notable. Actually, I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT with disability. --MikutoH talk! 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    also, isn't it the nominator responsible for searching old deletions to support their arguments? Because I found no previous deletions and decided to create, in my perception for the first time, the category. If I saw that it was deleted before, I would rethink it before creating it. but since that's not the case, I don't understand why you mentioned this fact. or do you mean that previous deletions justify recreation? --MikutoH talk! 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nominator linked to the previous discussion. As you can see the category name was slightly differently but the scope is exactly the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh you're right, I accidentally ignored the link. --MikutoH talk! 00:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That discussion had small quorum with two voting, IP nominated multiple categories in the same bascket. --MikutoH talk! 23:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Repilies/Questions: What do you @MikutoH mean by identity+action versus identity+identity? Because the requirement for intersections is the same per WP:EGRS. The bar is set high to avoid tokenization and stereotypes. Most of the categories that meet the threshold for egrs is indentity+occupation. It's a much higher bar to cover three way intersections: being LGBT, being disabled, and the specific kind of disability. It isn't about what you find to be defining. It's what scholarly sources say is defining. We are also running afoul of final rung. Mason (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was talkibg about this sentence: a person's actions are more important than, for example, their race or sexual orientation.. And Wikipedia:Consensus can change. --MikutoH talk! 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And you ignored the studies in the article you linked. --MikutoH talk! 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject LGBT studies, WikiProject Disability, and WikiProject Autism have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - I think this intersection does qualify as defining for the purposes of EGRSD (in part because it is a notable intersection that I think several reliable sources discuss the incidence of and connection between in-depth), though my opposition is weak purely because I'm concerned maybe there's some nuance of the guideline I'm not understanding here. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People on the autism spectrum[edit]

Nominator's rationale:
See also: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 1 § Category:People on the autistic spectrum

The main article was moved and also based on this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 00:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The current name strikes an acceptable compromise between person-first or identity first language that neither of proposed renames addresses.[5][6][7][8] Furthermore, the main article was moved to Autism, which doesn't solve the problem for people on the spectrum. Mason (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also relevant are the two CFDs for this category. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 31#Category:People on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Autism has been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, this is really a WP:COMMONNAME type of discussion. I think "people on the autism spectrum" has become the common name by now but I would welcome if someone would come up with relevant statistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose:"on the autism spectrum" is terminology that has significant support amongst autistic people themselves [9] and is at the very least terminology that few people hate.[10] The preference for identity-first language is not as uniform as it's made out to be, and "on the autism spectrum" represents a fairly non-controversial compromise. Its only drawback is that it's not as popular. In academic research, I'm assuming it's because they tend to use the full name "autism spectrum disorder". Google Scholar search results of the past 10 years yields this: "people with autism" -> 29.300 results, "autistic people" -> 16.900 results, "people on the autism spectrum" -> 5.590 results, "people with autism spectrum disorder" -> 12.200 results, "people with ASD" -> 17.000 results. On Google Trends, "autistic people" has overtaken "people with autism", and "people on the autism spectrum" ranks far beneath both of them.[11]
Based on popularity (academic and common) and the fact that there is support among autistic people, I'm not completely opposed to changing it to "autistic people", but said support is far from uniform so I'm hesitant about a hard line stance. TheZoodles (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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