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Speedy deletion candidates[edit]

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"De Robertis"
Africoon
Allumahar
Draft:Business Automation Ltd.
User:Chetanprakash226/sandbox
Cuntinent
Draft:Dr. Rohit Kumar
Egel
Draft:Enzo Gherardini
Draft:George Izunwa
Cameron Guarino
Draft:Henry McAlinden
Draft:Hynniewtrep integrated territorial organization
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Template:Infobox Military operation
Instant run-off voting (Poem 2024-06-06)
User:IRISH POET LADDIE
Draft:Keller Collegiate Academy
Kenu Suthakaran
Draft:Komani Uniforms
Draft:Natasha Kravchuk
Byron Randall
Second inauguration of Nayib Bukele
Sports broadcasting contracts in Thailand
User:SusieWANG0720/sandbox
User talk:Teen Patti Master and gold
Draft:THE FRNTAL PR
Uthman al-Khamis

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Steve Fox (musician)[edit]

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Unsourced and non-notable. No WP:RS that I can find. — Iadmc♫talk  09:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Falah Party[edit]

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I don't think this party has ever won any provincial or federal-level elections, nor has it received sig/in-depth coverage in RS, thus it fails to meet the WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dana (payment service)[edit]

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Promotion (e.g. ISO 27001 Certification and Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard Certificate...) no sources to meet NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made the article not to promote but is it allowed if I change the information so that it doesn't seem like an advertisement? You can find information about Dana (payment service) Badak Jawa (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BoraVoroif I find your decision to give a deletion tag very odd because it should be after a few minutes or a few days after the article was created Badak Jawa (talk) 10:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
half a year isn't enough? BoraVoro (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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    @BoraVoro and @Wcquidditch After I took another look at the article, it seemed to be indirectly promotional, so the article deserved to be deleted. It was my fault for creating the article without citing credible sources and I also recognized most of the references were promotional after I googled them Badak Jawa (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Looking at the sources provided on the page and Dana was on the top 5 as the most popular e-wallet apps in Indonesia in 2019,[1] the company is notable enough to meet WP:NCORP. Additionaly, the app is popular among Gen-Z Indonesians and used by 115 million users.[2][3] Concerning the article is too promotional, I have removed those advertorial content. Faldi00 (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Also as one of top 5 mobile wallet in Indonesia according to 2022 report. It's not difficult to look up independent source or even academic publication on DANA, so it should pass NCORP. Ckfasdf (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Jakarta Post, Jakarta Post. "The top five e-wallet apps in Indonesia". thejakartapost.com. Jakarta Post. Retrieved 4 June 2024.
  2. ^ Liu, Meng. "DANA Is Popular Among Generation Z In Indonesia". forrester.com. Forrester. Retrieved 4 June 2024.
  3. ^ Zahra, Valina. "Top 10 must-have fintech apps and services in Indonesia". indonesiabusinesspost.com. Indonesia Business Post. Retrieved 4 June 2024.
  • Keep: The tone has been improved, and on 2023 it reached 170 million users, so it should pass NCORP. WC gudang inspirasi (Read! Talk!) 00:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rising Medical Solutions[edit]

Rising Medical Solutions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No independent reliable coverage to meet GNG /NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 08:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of 3D animation software[edit]

List of 3D animation software (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability/usefulness not demonstrated. Just a list of licenses of softwares. Greatder (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Team Outer Banks[edit]

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Ostensibly a team in a sailing competition, or possibly two unrelated teams of the same name. Not notable, no independent references, some of this is indistinguishable from vandalism. Walsh90210 (talk) 07:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Foot in Mouth (EP)[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG. Appears to have not charted or been covered by reliable sources - May be some Japanese coverage, but difficult to locate. Mdann52 (talk) 06:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peninsula Engineering Group, Inc.[edit]

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Nominating following PROD and refund request. Appears to fail WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. Appears to mainly cite primary sources, with none sustaining a claim to notability. Various searches are struggling to turn up anything. Mdann52 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LEDA 1026855[edit]

LEDA 1026855 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NASTRO, isn't present on the NGC catalog or any other notable catalog, I couldn't find any information on the web either. WxTrinity (talk to me!) 05:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1's (video)[edit]

Number 1's (video) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet GNG. Heartfox (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shivaharkaray[edit]

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Fails WP:V and WP:RS. As per criteria 6 and 7 of WP:DEL-REASON—it appears this place does not even exist. Completely imaginary! Jovian Eclipse 04:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars extended by diplomatic irregularity[edit]

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List of wars extended by diplomatic irregularity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nothing has substantially improved, and the issue is still that this a list of trivia. Indeed, having looked up Loose Cannons by Graeme Donald, which was cited in the last discussion, I find that its subtitle is "101 Myths, Mishaps, And Misadventures Of Military History". In other words, it is a book of military trivia, and I note that Mental Floss is cited in the article. The whole premise is questionable, particularly in these days of mostly undeclared warfare, and the inclusion criteria don't match the members. Mangoe (talk) 05:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The article is well-sourced and (IMO) an important enough topic to keep. This isn't a policy rationale, but we built encyclopedias to be useful and I enjoyed reading it, and was sad to see it up for deletion. The Quirky Kitty (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per the previous AFD discussion; a renaming of the article (and) a clear definition of scope would still be helpful. But these "ceremonial unofficial peace treaties" do seem to be discussed enough to be in a list article. Walsh90210 (talk) 07:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a reasonably well sourced article that asserts its claim to notability even if the topic is a bit silly. This may be a situation where we could delete the article by invoking the rules disfavoring lists, but we shouldn't do it as the article is, as @The Quirky Kitty points out, enjoyable to read and as @Walsh90210 says the category gets enough discussion as a category to satisfy WP:NLIST.
    The deletion rationale is hard to discern from the nomination. However, (a) the objection that the Donald book has trivia in its title doesn't make it a non-reliable source, and (b) the idea that wars are largely undeclared today is a non sequitur and perhaps strengthens the case since it becomes more of a closed-membership list of declarations of war without a corresponding cessation.
    The article suffers from lack of hard inclusion criteria. I'm not convinced that the great Berwick-upon-Tweed vs. Russia war or even Carthage v Rome constitutes an extension of war rather than possible grounds to claim the war was extended, but that could be sorted out later. Oblivy (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of photo stitching software[edit]

Comparison of photo stitching software (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Everything is either unsourced or reliant exclusively on primary sources discussing individual pieces of software to paint a picture that no source explicitly makes AKA performing improper synthesis. Additionally inherently violates WP:NOTDIR. Compare Dynluge's argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of XMPP server software, which I find convincing to this day and appears to be just as relevant. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nominator and WP:NOTCATALOGUE. Ajf773 (talk) 04:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It is full of WP:SYNTH. Orientls (talk) 06:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Should be called list of photo stitching software, it listing valid information about things on the list in the various columns, with some columns that perhaps shouldn't be there. But the vast majority of things in this list article do not have any articles for them. Category:Photo stitching software shows 17 total. Those could easily fit in Image_stitching#Software. Dream Focus 21:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Ultimately, Wikipedia is a website that combines features of many other types of websites; did Diderot's Encyclopédie have a list of LOST episodes? Of course not, but we do. Yes, yes, WP:OMGWTFBBQ, I'm well acquainted with all of the policies in question; but at the end of the day these policies exist for a reason, and the reason is to create a website that meaningfully informs its readers. For sixteen years this article has done that, quite well. If we look at policies like WP:NOT you can see that they were not intended to simply purge articles on the basis of not being "serious enough" (i.e. WP:NOTCHANGELOG was specifically written to include articles consisting of Android and Chrome version histories). If this is cruft, then God bless cruft. jp×g🗯️ 11:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a discussion about sourcing. What did anything you wrote have anything to do with sourcing? HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it is a discussion about whether an article titled "comparison of photo stitching software" should exist on the English Wikipedia.
    What kind of "sourcing" do you think we need for the claim that Adobe Lightroom is proprietary and not open-source? Do you actually think Adobe's own website is incorrect? What basis is there to think that?
    The topic of comparing photo-stitching software is obviously notable and many people care about it. Here are some articles about it that I found after searching for about ten seconds:
    People who are on the Internet looking for information (i.e. the people that this website actually exists to serve) are obviously interested in this subject, and it is not only possible but very easy for us to maintain high-quality well-sourced information for them. We do not need a long-form thinkpiece from The Atlantic to do this: we just need to cite reliable information about photo-stitching software. Adobe's website is a reasonable citation for how much Adobe's software costs. The thing being demanded here -- that somebody find a New York Times article or something listing how much Adobe Lightroom subscriptions cost, and then cite that instead of Adobe's website -- is unnecessary, unreasonable and likely impossible.

    The idea that we should destroy this information is both inexplicable and infuriating, and when people have told me they no longer enjoy using Wikipedia as a resource, about eight times out of ten it happened after watching large amounts of neutral reliably-sourced material disappear forever because somebody found it aesthetically distasteful. jp×g🗯️ 00:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Frankly, I don't think there's much of a discussion to be had. Most of the sources you listed are either not credible or don't make any meaningful comparison between software offerings, as they are essentially listings. It's notability is not obvious at all to me, and that's nothing to say of the original research in the original article, and to say that we only need to find citations for one small portion of the article is a very rose-tinted view. I'm sorry to hear that you're infuriated by this AfD, but this article should be deleted. It's not about aesthetics, it's about policy. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is about policy -- WP:SPS and WP:ABOUTSELF are policy. Again: do you actually think Adobe's own website is incorrect? Why?

    Of course Adobe's website is not a reliable source for "Lightroom is the best and easiest-to-use software ever", but it's a reliable source for "Lightroom has a stitching mode for fisheye lenses", which is indeed what we're citing to it.

    These sources -- again, they are from the first page of a Web search, I could certainly find more if I actually went to the library -- are obviously not canonical listings of the best photo stitching software packages, they're evidence of this being a notable subject that people have a consistent and strong interest in. If you really want evidence that evaluating and comparing types of panoramic stitching software is a subject that's been given proper scholarly treatment by serious people with graduate degrees, I can also do a quick publication search.
    jp×g🗯️ 05:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those articles, ironically, describe how to stitch images without the use of the software programs listed in the article. Those sources might look authoritative, but they only cover image stitching as a general technique, for which we already have an article for. In fact, the existence of these sources are a reason to delete this article, because it shows that people tend to avoid buying expensive subscriptions for photo stitching programs in favor of DIY solutions. And again, that's nothing to say of the mountains of original research and synthesis in the original article. Tunneling on one specific use of one primary source misses the bigger picture that the nominator and two other delete votes have painted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The original research could be hypothetically cleaned up, but we'd need reliable sources that make meaningful comparisons between photo stitching software in order to preserve the article. I've found a couple self-published articles, but nothing that I would consider reliable. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chacha Bhatija (TV series)[edit]

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG. M S Hassan (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Metcalfe (musician)[edit]

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Self-authored Wikipedia about a non-notable musician. Half of the references on the page don't even mention him, and the ones that do only make a single passing mention of his involvement in some non-notable experimental indie band. The only substantial and reliable source I can find talking about him in any depth is this but, other than that, crickets. Elspamo4 (talk) 03:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matching person and technology model[edit]

Matching person and technology model (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability and quality issues. The article was created by a single-purpose account in 2009. None of the content is sourced, the "general" references are generally about "assistive technology" or are by MJ Scherer, the creator of this model. Google Scholar has about 3 results not associated with Scherer, which use this as background.

None of the current content should be merged to assistive technology, so I have not unilaterally redirected the article. However, if there is sourced content to include there, I am not opposed to that redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abacus Life[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NCORP - coverage seems to be routine at best with a few promotional pieces thrown in. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 13:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cardiff School of Engineering[edit]

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No evidence school is particularly notable outside notability of university DeputyBeagle (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Italian Syrians[edit]

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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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La guerra civile[edit]

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This article is very odd. It started life as what appears to be a personal essay/content fork about Italian politics (entirely sourced to La guerra civile) under the title Terrorism in Italy since 1945, then at some point someone misinterpreted the content as about the book itself and content about that book introduced and the essay stuff removed, so for the past 13 years it's been about the book, but under the original title. I tried to find sources under that title, failed for 20 minutes, realized what happened, and moved the page.

Anyway, still can't find any reviews/analysis/sources. It's probable they may exist given the language barrier and very generic title, but I couldn't find any. If sufficient sources are presented I can withdraw. As an ATD if there are no sources redirect to the author Giovanni Pellegrino. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Switch Music company[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Appears to be a defunct instrument company that didn't make much of an impact. The only sources are a Youtube video, a product catalog PDF, and a fan forum - and that's after a user contested my PROD and looked for sources. Google News returns nothing. A search of Guitar World also comes up empty. A search for one of their guitars only returns some sales listings. Seems non-notable. Mbinebri (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as non-notable. Zanahary (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No coverage for this instrument maker. Being defunct, I doubt we'll find much of anything at this point in time; what's used in the article for sourcing isn't sufficient. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, I'm sorry, there was a deletion tag on the Switch Music company page that explicitly stated that : "If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming, or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason. Although not required, you are encouraged to explain why you object to the deletion, either in your edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, do not replace it."
So, I have edited the article, removed the deletion tag, so how come it's up for deletion again although this was explicitly discouraged in the deletion tag?
I have also expressed reasons to retain (Keep) this article in the article's talk page, which I'll reiterate here: "Hi, I think that the subject of this article is relevant and interesting as Switch was one of the few companies using plastic rather than wood on a guitar body, equally it was manufactured by injection molding rather than carpentry. Although this was successful in terms of acoustic quality, and although the instruments were attractively priced, the company failed commercially. We can't link to the company website as it has ceased to exist. On the other hand this also means that this article can't be intended as marketing or to build company credibility. The information here is referenced by the creators best as we can given that there isn't much in the way of academic literature, which kinda comes with the territory. I have also added some inline references as requested by the deletion-proposer."
I'm saddened that an improper shotgun policy is being used where the article will be brought up for deletion multiple times until it finally is deleted. Maikel (talk) 11:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maikel, if you know of reliable, independent, secondary sources that might establish notability, please mention them here before this discussion is closed. That is what editors are looking for. Liz Read! Talk! 07:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete the only sources are one user thread and their catologue. I can find nothing at all via the standard searches. Nowhere good enough for WP:RS. "Vibracell guitar" might just warrent an article, though, if sources other than marketing can be found. However, there is the article Luthite, which is a similar product, but it also requires far more sources. Maybe relevent material could be moved over to that article once it has been proven WP:notable and properly sourced? So possible merge. What's in this present article feels like WP:promotion for the guitars (which are still very much available) though.— Iadmc♫talk  03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Chain[edit]

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Company fails WP:NCORP. While several articles cited here provide significant coverage beyond trivial mentions, they are all in highly local publications (the Manistee News and the Traverse City Record-Eagle). Under NCORP, "Attention solely from local media (e.g., the weekly newspaper for a small town)... is not an indication of notability." A BEFORE search turns up no additional qualifying sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep meets WP:GNG. I think there should be more in newspaper archives - this company is very notable in its particular niche and most of the innovative things done by this company were in pre-internet era (it was founded in 1960). Nienders (talk) 12:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The WP:BURDEN is on the editor proposing material to prove notability; can you supply the newspaper citations? I searched archive sites in my BEFORE search but I only found local media coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing++ 18:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - the local newspaper of Traverse City should be considered reliable and independent, but much of the news is mundane coverage. 14:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
    I agree that the Traverse City paper should be considered reliable and independent. But under WP:AUD, that's not all that's required. Significant coverage in "media with an international, national, or at least regional audience (e.g., the biggest daily newspaper in any US state) is a strong indication of notability. Attention solely from local media (e.g., the weekly newspaper for a small town), or media of limited interest and circulation (e.g., a newsletter exclusively for people with a very unusual job), is not an indication of notability. At least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." I think the debate is whether the paper serving Traverse City (population 15,000) is "local media"; I think it is, which is why I nominated the article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bermuda Smash Invitational[edit]

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Non-notable cricket tournament which fails WP:GNG, WP:NCRIC, and WP:EVENT. AA (talk) 13:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jana Amin[edit]

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BLP of an activist, deleted at AfD in January and immediately recreated. Notability is not evident to me at all, as the article is a collection of activities which are run of the mill. Mccapra (talk) 22:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep (with small potential Wikipedia:CONFLICT) as I said in previous discussion. The recreated article removed non-notable information and sources to address previous reasons for deletion, so "it was deleted before" is insufficient reason: this is a new article that should be judged on its own merits, but I still believe the subject has established notability due especially to articles about her in non-English sources. There is a danger of underrepresentation due to Wikipedia:Systemic bias if we insist on more notable English-language sources without recognising the Egyptian coverage as notable. Also, the previous deletion occurred just 8 hours after a single extra delete vote was placed after 3 relistings, so I believed that immediately recreating the article in a form that addressed the reasons for deletion was justified. With regard to Jana's activities being "run of the mill", correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of Wikipedia:Notability is that it's not up to us editors to judge whether or not a subject's activities are extraordinary in their own right, but merely to summarise what sources are saying if the sources meet Wikipedia's standards of reliability and notability. Hence the question should not be "did Jana do something worthy of a Wikipedia article" but "are sources giving Jana coverage that is worthy of a Wikipedia article". (My possibly-biased opinion happens to be that the answer to both questions is "yes" but if we're supposed to focus on the second then no need to argue about the first.) Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 16:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I’m not suggesting we need English language sources. We need in depth coverage in independent sources in any language. The piece in Elle is an interview where she talks about herself, as is the piece in Marie Claire. Two other sources are authored by her. Now This News is a passing mention. Some of the others have a strong whiff of PR placements. They tell us she works for an NGO, did a TED talk, and attended a lecture by Malala Yousefzai. She hasn’t received a well-known and significant award or honor, or been nominated for such an award several times; or made a widely recognized contribution in a specific field, and isn’t in a Dictionary of National Biography. So what exactly is notable about her? Mccapra (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If someone is interviewed by a source, then the fact that the source decided to interview the person might in itself confer notability if that source does not interview just anybody. So I don't think we should dismiss interviews just because they are interviews without also asking the question: how difficult is it to get an interview in that publication? I'm imagining it's not that easy to get into Egyptian Streets and Marie Claire Arabia for example. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 07:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um, the one interview isn't in Arabic, English, or French, all of which are spoken in Egypt, so I'm not sure what using an Italian source has to do with Egypt... Oaktree b (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't commenting on the Italian source. I was commenting on the Egyptian Streets article and the Marie Claire Arabia article, which are in English and Arabic respectively. Whether these articles also count as "interviews" depends on exactly how you define an "interview", but either way my point was that getting published in Egyptian Streets and in Marie Claire Arabia seems notable to me. My point is wrong if it can be shown that these publications have a low acceptance standard of what they document, but I don't think that's the case. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 19:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Again? Same sources as last time, a TED talk and an interview don't make you notable here... As for the systemic bias, you're actually hurting the standards by using such low quality sources, thereby contributing ot the bias (oh, we'll give this one a "pass"). Still having a lack of sources and nothing we can use to create the article. Oaktree b (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As mentioned above, I believe it's not that easy to get into Egyptian Streets and Marie Claire Arabia. And not exactly the same sources as last time: I deleted some of the weaker ones and added in a couple more. That's why I think it should be re-evaluated on its merits in its current state. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 19:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TheJournalish[edit]

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded by article creator with reason "this journal is endorsed and ranked by the Ministry of Research Technology, and Higher Education of the Republic of Indonesia (as already cited). Why would that not demonstrate notability?" This apparently refers to current ref. 3, but that database (SINTA) does not appear to be very selective and therefore fails both NJournals and GNG. PROD reason still stands, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 21:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Indonesia publishes dozens of academic journals,[1] and for some reason the first one documented on Wikipedia gets PROD and AFD within days. Why is that? I can't see why the endorsement of the journal by the government would not establish notability. (See [2], the Director-General of Strengthening Research and Development, Ministry of Research Technology, and Higher Education of the Republic of Indonesia, Decree Number 105/M/KPT/2022.) The journal has been published for less than four years, but has more than 300 incoming citations according to Google Scholar.[3] Does this not clearly meet C2 of WP:JOURNALCRIT? -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm sorry, but 300 citations is rather pathetic, even for a new journal. Also, it appears that every journal published in Indonesia gets into Sinta, so that is not really a ringing endorsement. C2 is most certainly not met. As for why this got PRODded and then taken to AfD: I patrol all new articles on academic journals and if they appear not to be notable, I propose them for deletion. Nothing nefarious here. --Randykitty (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:JOURNALCRIT doesn't give a quantitative guideline, just that subjective one. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's because different fields have different citation densities. But even n a low-citation density field is 300 citations after 4 years not very impressive and certainly not enough for C2.
  • Delete SINTA is not embraced by the government, it's just classification/accrediation system for Indonesian journals. Being indexed by SINTA is basically just meant "this journal exist" the same way school accrediation exist Nyanardsan (talk) 12:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Erasmus Student Network Armenia[edit]

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Local branch of Erasmus Student Network, no independent notability. Broc (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep- Working on expanding the article. ESN Armenia is quite active and one of the more notable student organizations within the country. English publications may be limited as most of the content referencing the org is in Armenian. Will continue to expand with refs. Any help is appreciated :) Archives908 (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into a subsection of Erasmus Student Network. I do not think it is bad that the information is out there if verifiable and noteworthy enough to mention specifically, though ESN Armenia is hardly notorious enough to warrant their own WP article, considering that there are 44 national, and even more regional ESN network organisations. Note also that Erasmus Student Network Yerevan has also been created, and would merit the same treatment. --Konanen (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge this and Erasmus Student Network Yerevan into Erasmus Student Network. I can't find anything much other than social media or links to information and event involving the umbrella organisation in a search (including the sources in the article that I can read/translate), which suggests this is a local organisation not warranting it's own article. I note that none of the other national organisations have their own article, including ESN Russia and ESN UK, for example.— Iadmc♫talk  03:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuri Lushchai[edit]

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While it's not a G4, it does not appear that the issues raised that led to the prior version being deleted have been resolved. Lushchai was a wonderful person and active Wikipedian but does not appear notable as an author. WP:NOTAMEMORIAL unfortunately applies. Star Mississippi 02:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want just to note that I wasn't the one who moved the article to main space. Though I personally think that he is notable, I would be OK with submitting article later with more sources, which are listed on Russian Wikipedia forum and on Wikinews. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there is significant coverage of the person. And lack of English language sources is never an argument for deletion.
I would also like to note thst I am XFD closer on ruwiki, and User:Андрей Романенко who moved the article is long-serving administrator on ruwiki. So we might now something about notability rules, right? BilboBeggins (talk) 06:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. Different languages have different rules as far as notability. No one is saying he isn't notable on RU wiki, and non English sources are 100% welcome but may not meet the bar needed for notability as required here. Star Mississippi 13:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is his biography in the source listed.
There are also plenty of Russian language sources in his death, but they are not neutral and I would rather not include them in the article. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: NOTMEMORIAL. Simply being a Wikipedian is rarely notable, the rest are stories of his passing. Nothing for notability. His life before death was very much non-notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    His notability is also due to him being a poet and scientist. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. To my mind, the key source for this case is the op-ed at Radio Liberty arguing at some length for the special status of Lushchai as a cultural figure. This was not the reason behind keeping the article about this person in ru.wiki, there the closing admin opted for other criteria. Possibly other available sources don't provide so direct and clear reasoning for Lushchai's notability. However, other memorial articles (like this, for instance) also provide significant coverage of his life and are independent of the aforementioned op-ed. All in all I see this person as notable according to WP:BASIC. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is significant coverage in reliable sources. The article has enough prose, there is biography, death and legacy section. It could have been nominated for RD had it been in the same state back then. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veronica Cintron[edit]

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Vice President of Communications for the Tampa Airport, winner of multiple small awards doesn't establish WP:GNG for this article subject. In my BEFORE, I could only find mentions related to her work at the airport. The Emmy awards might be notable but they were regional and I wasn't prepared to watch a video to see if this claim was verified. Liz Read! Talk! 02:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supersci[edit]

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Nominated by an IP user: Non-notable group, going by available sources. Both with its current ("Supersci") and its former ("Superscientifiku") name, the group is mentioned on some Swedish websites, but with very few exceptions (e.g. Sundsvalls Tidning) either these sources are non-reliable, or the subject is mentioned only in passing. GrabUp - Talk 18:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2011, their "Timelines" was nominated (again, did not win) at the sv:P3 Guld. Example sources, at Sveriges Television here, and at Sveriges Radio P3 here. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I've added three different sources that provide significant coverage. The article meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can’t check offline sources, but linked sources are not WP:SIGCOV.
  • 1st source: Are only sayings of connected ones of the subject, no in-depth coverage of the subject.
  • 4rth source: Nomination list of the award P3, I don’t know how much this award is notable. GrabUp - Talk 04:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1st source: I see what you mean, though the offline sources are more independent of the subject.
    4th source: The nomination doesn't confer notability, but I thought it was worth mentioning since it was brought up in the AfD. AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I found the third source (or at least an article about the same thing by the same author) online, so added it to the article if you want to take a look. AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Keep - Sources and added sources since nom shows notability at least per WP:NMUSIC at this time. I say Weak Keep. BabbaQ (talk) 09:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Najma Akhtar[edit]

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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC Dowrylauds (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michalis Koumbios[edit]

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The subject is not notable. There are few (if any) reliable secondary sources; the single source used is apparently from 2006 and only available through archive.is. LoganP25 (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgie Campbell[edit]

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Fails WP:EVENTCRIT; subject is notable only for passing away. As this is a recent death, WP:BLP1E should probably apply here. See also WP:PSEUDO. Firestar464 (talk) 00:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Looks like a WP:BLP1E with little chance of WP:LASTING BrigadierG (talk) 00:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think that as a top level 5* rider and on Team GB for FEI Nations Cup on multiple occasions she was already WP:NSPORT relevant, and lack of previous article probably more reflective of the overall poor coverage of equestrian sport on WP. Suggest that there should be enough for an article. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 09:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are achievement standards set out for equestrian sports at WP:NEQUESTRIAN - generally, a medal is required to be notable, not just participation. BrigadierG (talk) 11:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from this AfD, they were only ever guidelines but it was my understanding that WP:NSPORT, within which WP:NEQUESTRIAN falls, had been abandoned in favour of general WP:GNG notability, in-part so as to avoid the proliferation of single sourced historic competitors in favour of properly sourced, judged-on-their-own-merits, robust articles. A process which has clear merits, and without inbuilt asymmetry of certain sports having literally thousands of active competitors with WP:BLP articles and other sports granted three medalists at a time. If you permit a further example of the difficulties of the guidelines and how they could be perceived as a barrier to the collation of information; WP:RU/N had the criteria of only the semifinalists from the Women's World Cup, a tournament which takes place once every four years. However, in the pandemic the tournament was postponed for 18 months so a strict interpretation of the guidelines (which I saw being argued) would have no new 15-a-side female rugby union players permissible for over five and a half years. A hindrance to WP as an up-to-date information source, which an online encyclopaedia should have the capacity to excel at. Hildreth gazzard (talk) 13:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If this person is only notable for passing then they fail the notability test, unless proven otherwise. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 15:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I noticed the article about her husband, and put up an AfD for that as well. Posting here as this would've been bundled had I noticed them at the same time. Firestar464 (talk) 00:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That AfD nomination was a dumb move as her husband is clearly notable, and bundling the two bios would have thus been a very bad move indeed. Schwede66 03:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Article satisfies WP:GNG. Not uncommon to gain information from obituaries. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I started this article on a distinguished equestrian. Strange to see that the article on her husband was also AfD. This page has been expanded on since I started it. Moondragon21 (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Freddrick Jackson[edit]

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WP:PERP, WP:NOTNEWS - I can't see that there's likely to be unusual or lasting coverage regarding this murderer. BrigadierG (talk) 00:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: NOTNEWS, killing four people isn't terribly notable in the US. Some coverage, but it's simply retelling the facts of a crime. Oaktree b (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is notable due to his young age at the time of his crimes not the victim count as he has to be the youngest serial killer in Arkansas history. Startrain844 (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: And NONE of the sources use the term "serial killer", nor can I find mention of this anywhere. I wonder if this is OR or some wishful thinking... Oaktree b (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.[1][2]Startrain844 (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's original research; you can't create an article using that term when no one else has called him that. This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of serial killers on Wikipedia had no lasting coverage on news. Startrain844 (talk) 19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to nominate any other articles that don't meet guidelines here. Again, they are serial killers as the media addresses them as such; this individual hasn't been called that in media. He's just another criminal, CRIME notability applies here. Oaktree b (talk) 03:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Murdered four people on different days over two years. Plenty of coverage. Meets WP:GNG. This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. Yes, how dare we "shame and degrade" a convicted multiple murderer by calling him a serial killer (which is much, much worse than being a multiple murderer, apparently)! Poor little chap! -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Sea Derby[edit]

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This doesn't seem to be a notable football rivalry. The references are generally about the country's relations, not football. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Durie Kallahal[edit]

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The Article does not have notability, according to WP:POLITICIAN, a politician is not notable when him/her position is lower than Congressman/Congresswoman, I don't see WP:GNG notability either. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files[edit]

Toronto Blue Jays logos[edit]

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The use of both non-free files for identification violates WP:NFCC#3a (minimal number of items), especially since the logo of the team is also present on the cap insignia. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]

Category:Fast & Furious lists[edit]

Nominator's rationale: No need for a cat that has two articles. It can be safely upmerged and individual articles can be merged up to any other relevant cats. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Books by Ivar Hippe[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation. There's no epon parent category and only one book in here. Mason (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aerial operations and battles of World War II involving the Netherlands[edit]

Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Triple upmerge for now. NLeeuw (talk) 04:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Futurist photography[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There's only one person in this entire category tree. The parent category (Futurist photography) only contains this category. Mason (talk) 02:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian Futurist composers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Duel merge for now. this category is really narrow and the parent category (Futurist composers ) isn't in need to diffusion yet. Mason (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Modernist women composers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Narrow category at the intersection of occupation, gender, and specific movement. The only person in the category is already in the right parent categories Mason (talk) 02:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Climate change filmmakers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Narrow intersection Mason (talk) 02:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, one article isn't really about a filmmaker, the other article isn't really about climate change. I do not have a conceptual objection to the category though. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Polish cinematographers[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The norm has been that modern professions like modeling, cinematographers, etc aren't diffused by century. Mason (talk) 02:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Landforms of Akmola Region[edit]

Nominator's rationale: So many redundant categories made (mostly) by the same user. Mason (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

Electric Turbo[edit]

The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nonius connector[edit]

This redirect should be deleted. It was created by user:Matthiaspaul in June 2020 to point at a section heading which does not exist now and never did exist in the past. The article Vernier scale does not explain anywhere what "nonius connector" means. The only page linking to this redirect is the see also section of Nonius (device), which is more relevant than anything currently at Vernier scale but also does not explain what "nonius connector" means. This redirect, beyond being entirely unhelpful, is actively confusing to readers, and it should be deleted to turn the link nonius connector red, in case someone who knows what this is and cares about it will see that an article is needed. –jacobolus (t) 01:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete No mention in the article. It is actively confusing since Nonius connector doesn't apppear to be the one that is described in the article. A google search suggests it is related to both articles, since there is no mention is either, it should be deleted. Ca talk to me! 09:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and write something about it. As Ca pointed out, a Nonius connector is related to both articles and we currently don't have any description of it in either of them. That's bad, because as an encyclopedia it is obvious that we should have it covered. That's why I parked an anchor for it and a link in the Vernier scale article (which looked like the most closely related topic back then) to define a location where editors could start collecting contents about it. At least, the redirect allows to link to the topic already and it enables reverse lookup, that is, it is building infrastructure and creating a momentum for future contents to accumulate. That's not confusing at all. Eventually, the accumulated contents should be moved into a dedicated article, but I don't know enough about it to start it myself.
Trying to use red links to encourage users to write an article about something is a long failed concept (it worked in the beginnings of this project, but not now, as most mainstream and easy topics are at least rudimentarily covered and we have to add the more special topics) because it requires someone to come along who knows a lot about a topic already, and has the time and dedication to research it further and write an article about it, find sources, etc. This is much more unlikely to happen than just adding some small bit of information about a topic the particular editor happens to know already. In particular red links "created" by deletion almost always (except for mainstream topics) means that we will never again have a topic covered, because deletion discussions draw away contributors. It leaves a scar, basically it is a lost opportunity, a failure in our goal to create a comprehensive encyclopedia for everyone covering the knowledge of the world, past and present. What works much better is to redirect missing topics to articles most closely related for bits of information to accumulate there over time until enough stuff has accumulated to split it out into a dedicated article. And this is what should happen here as well.
--Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The term cannot be found in Google Scholar or Google Books. Search in Google returns mostly information about some mounting hardware for suspended ceilings. Although the word "vernier" is used for ceiling applications, too, this meaning has nothing to do with the vernier scale. The redirect is incredibly confusing. --Викидим (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then you haven't searched enough. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have meanwhile added a small section about Nonius connectors to the target article. There's much more to it. Feel free to flesh it out further or add other applications so that it can become an article on its own in the future. The redirect deletion discussion, however, is bogus now. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your addition is deeply problematic and I'm really considering just reverting. WP:UGC says "a wikilink is not a reliable source". This also applies to dewiki. You can't just cite add unsourced claims to an article and then consider the matter closed. Nickps (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, I've now reverted it as unsourced. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Alcohol expectations" and "Alcohol expectancies"[edit]

Neither of these are mentioned in the target article, leaving the redirects unclear in what they refer to. (However, Alcohol expectancies is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Alcohol expectancies?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules[edit]

Template:OBrian sequence[edit]

Duplicate and inferior to the much better Template:Patrick O'Brian. Gonnym (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Media by uploader[edit]

This isn't an actual template. Gonnym (talk) 08:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Colo-Colo B squad[edit]

Unused rooster template that hasn't been updated since 2016. It is unclear from Colo-Colo B if this team is still active. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chasmata of Ariel[edit]

Unused as it was replaced with Template:Ariel (moon). Gonnym (talk) 08:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CapFriendly[edit]

Unused external link template. Gonnym (talk) 08:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CanadaCupDivision[edit]

Unused sports table. Gonnym (talk) 08:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Brooklyn Bolts roster[edit]

Unused rooster template as the team stopped playing in 2016. Gonnym (talk) 08:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Boris Yeltsin Presidential Library[edit]

Unused external link template. Gonnym (talk) 08:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Baylor Libraries[edit]

Unused external link template. Gonnym (talk) 08:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Australian rules football statistics legend (pre-1987)/ruck[edit]

Unused sports legend. Gonnym (talk) 08:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Australian states clickable[edit]

Unused Australian map. Gonnym (talk) 07:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Australian state elections map[edit]

Unused Australian map. Gonnym (talk) 07:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Author sequence[edit]

Currently an exact copy of Template:Sequence and unused, but before it does get used, this is unnecessary and will end up as an inferior duplicate of a navigation template if valid, or be used contrary to WP:FILMNAV. Gonnym (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attert Line[edit]

Unused route map. Gonnym (talk) 07:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Audio-ar[edit]

Propose merging all of the above together into a Template:Audio-xx (Template:Audio-lang exists and seems to do this a bit differently).
All of these templates are the exact same other than the language link and tag. Before we end up with 100s of these similar templates, it would be better and much easier for maintenance if these are merged into one single template that accepts a language code and produces a link. This can be done with {{ISO 639 name link|ar}}. Gonnym (talk) 07:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Article card vertical[edit]

Unused portal related template. Gonnym (talk) 07:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Arrow (rail service)/detailed[edit]

Unused route map. Gonnym (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia[edit]

Unused citation template. Gonnym (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Armadale-Thornlie Line[edit]

Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 07:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2012 Under-21 Provincial Championship Division B Table[edit]

Unused after being subst into article here. Gonnym (talk) 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2012 Under-19 Provincial Championship Division B Table[edit]

Unused after being subst into article here. Gonnym (talk) 07:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chinese conflicts[edit]

Excessively long, poorly organizaed, and unnecessary; these articles are included in per-dynasty navboxes about conflicts. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dag[edit]

Propose merging Template:Dag with Template:Dagger.
I'm going slightly more "discussion" with this TFD than anything, primarily thinking that {{dag}} should either be merged into {{dagger}} or renamed to make it more obvious as to why it's being used (though expanding the name might then make it longer than just typing out the <sup>...</sup> pair...). As it stands, {{dag}} by itself is potentially confusing (e.g. "what is a dag", or why it gives a superscript output) so I feel like something needs to be done. Primefac (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I find it strange that we still use archaic print notations instead of hyperlinked notes. How are either of those better than a regular {{efn}} note? Gonnym (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: The preferred option is to redirect {{dag}} to {{dagger}}. Given its minimal use, merging simplifies matters. However, if retaining the functionality is crucial, renaming {{dag}} to "superscript-dagger" or "dagger-sup" would clarify its purpose, albeit making it longer. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, it's basically only used as part of {{TAAR ligands}}. Do we need a template for this at all? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: If choose to merge and retain functionality
{{#if: {{{s|}}} | <sup>†</sup> | † }}

{{dag}} will output †
{{dag|s}} will output <sup>†</sup>
Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 00:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany[edit]

Deletion review[edit]

Category:Dominican Republic people of European American descent[edit]

Category:Dominican Republic people of European American descent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

That category was being used for Dominicans descended from United States citizens of European descent, aka White Americans (minus Middle Easterners), it wasn't used for "White Dominicans" as claimed by the deletion nominator. Even, there is still a separate category for Dominicans descended from African Americans, aka Black Americans (Category:Dominican Republic people of African American descent) as anyone can see it in the parent category Dominican Republic people of American descent since that parent category was subcategorized into different recognized American ethnic groups. This category was deleted based on a misunderstanding, maybe it just needed some clarification in the cat page. ★ Iñaki ★ (Talk page) ★ 02:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • (as participant to the discussion) It does not look like a misunderstanding. I noted in the discussion that articles are already in e.g. Category:Dominican Republic people of French descent when it is about someone with French (i.e. European) ancestors. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Overturn. The nomination was clearly and objectively erroneous and the comments followed this erroneous reasoning, with the exception of Marcocapelle's comment, but that is only one !vote.
    "European American descent" part in the category name clearly refers to European Americans, citizens of the United States of European descent, to this is a category for articles about Dominicans with ancestry in the U.S. for whom their American ancestors are of European descent, i.e. European Americans. So when the nominator said it seems that this is not intended for Dominicans with ancestry in the U.S. this was absolutely incorrect.
    In spite of this, Marcocapelle reasons that we should not have such a category and that the two layers of descent should be compressed into one, so if someone is Dominican with French American descent, the category should be . This is a fine opinion to have, but consensus did not form around this view, as all of the remaining participation revolved around the erroneous rationale. So there was no consensus to delete. My suggestion would be to renominate with a valid rationale.—Alalch E. 09:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "Serial murder". Britannica. Retrieved 2024-04-22.
  2. ^ an offender can be anyone.
    • Holmes & Holmes 1998, Serial murder is the killing of three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a significant cooling-off period between the murders The baseline number of three victims appears to be most common among those who are the academic authorities in the field. The time frame also appears to be an agreed-upon component of the definition.
    • Petherick 2005, p. 190 Three killings seem to be required in the most popular definition of serial killing since they are enough to provide a pattern within the killings without being overly restrictive.
    • Flowers 2012, p. 195 in general, most experts on serial murder require that a minimum of three murders be committed at different times and usually different places for a person to qualify as a serial killer.
    • Schechter 2012, p. 73 Most experts seem to agree, however, that to qualify as a serial killer, an individual has to slay a minimum of three unrelated victims.
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