Talk:2024 United Kingdom general election

2024 election series template (below infobox)

Seeking opinion on this before I do anything too destructive - do we feel this is strictly necessary? Most of the links in the template are in the infobox directly above it already and those that aren't are either elsewhere in the article or can quite reasonably added to a more appropriate spot, so the template feels a bit redundant. Would appreciate any thoughts you may have.

CipherRephic (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@CipherRephicI 100% agree. The current info box is

- redundant

- inconsistent with previous articles

- generally just less sightly than the regular one.

So I think we should switch to Template:Infobox election DimensionalFusion (talk) 21:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Switching infobox would be more concise and look far less clunky, completely agree. Ebm2002 (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree with this change and the rationale presented here. I can understand having TILE much in advance of an election, but it's standard that once the election is announced (and to my knowledge, even before then) we switch to TIE. There's no good reason why we shouldn't have TIE at this point. — Czello ^(music) 08:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

So the rationale behind the current style is:

"There is a consensus to use this infobox style, not Template:Infobox election. This is because the latter cannot include all the parties, and therefore if we included it before the results of the election are known, we would have to guess which parties will make a significant impact, against what WP:CRYSTAL says. So do NOT change the infobox without consulting the talk page to change the consensus."

I am not inclined to agree with this argument. The use of Template:Infobox election format is on the basis of the last election results (and typically how many seats are needed for a majority), not, as is argued here, what we think will or is likely to happen in the upcoming election. Mapperman03 (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bondegezou Hi, you reverted the infobox change despite there being a consensus here. Why? DimensionalFusion (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

We have a longstanding consensus to use TILE before the election. We did this before previous general elections. We should not change from that until a new consensus has been demonstrated. You don't get to make the change you want and then tell people to wait for a consensus: we stick with the long-standing arrangement until the matter is settled. Bondegezou (talk) 09:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, to demonstrate you have consensus for a major change to the article, you need more than a few comments in a Talk section not even on the topic, and a discussion that has had more than 12 hours to take place. An RfC might be necessary. Bondegezou (talk) 09:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Czello, are you being serious with this? You are an experienced editor and you should know you need more evidence of consensus than the above. Do not start an WP:EDITWAR. Bondegezou (talk) 09:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the topic of this dicussion has diverted to the infobox, I believe I need to explain the reason why I believe TILE is better than TIE until the results of the election are in, since I wrote the note Mapperman03 quoted. There was a discussion now at Talk:2024 United Kingdom general election/Archive 1#Infobox (2) where I explained my rationale in more detail than that note, and I note DimensionalFusion and Bondegezou took part in that discussion. I criticised DimensionalFusion's arguments as unsubstantiated then and I do again now. They have said nothing in this dicussion that they didn't say in that discussion, and so I reiterate my criticisms: "less sightly" is a subjective opinion that falls foul of WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, and comparing to precedence goes against WP:OTHERCONTENT and is an example of the false equivalence fallacy, as past and future elections are not comparable. I take it when they say "redundant" they are referring to TILE including more parties, but that is a necessity to avoid failing WP:CRYSTAL.

On the subject of WP:CRYSTAL, the reason why I believe all the parties with MPs in the House of Commons now/at dissolution (and therefore my reason for using TILE) need to be included is that we don't know the results of the election, and therefore which parties will have a significant number of MPs after the next election. This means to avoid creating an infobox that implies we are presuming only some parties (probably Con, Lab, SNP and LD) will get a significant number of seats in an election we don't know the results of, we have to use TILE, as that is able to list all the parties in a reasonably small amount of space. It's important the infobox is relatively small, as per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE's statement The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. TIE cannot list all the parties necessary to include (either for technical reasons or because otherwise the infobox would be huge), so we should use TILE. This will stay the case until at least the outcome of the election is obvious (when most seats have declared their results). So I disagree with Czello that now or at dissolution is the time to change the infobox, that time will be at the earliest around 03:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC) (that's 4am in the UK) when we know which parties have a significant number of seats for sure. Then TIE will likely be the best infobox. --TedEdwards 14:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@TedEdwards It's interesting you should bring up MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE's statement "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance". TILE does not meet this. Is knowing all 15 parties and their leaders and their candidates really needed at a glance? Does "Speaker" need to be included in the infobox? "Speaker" is obviously not going to win a landslide of seats, which is the same rationale applied to the rest of the parties- for example, the DUP, SF, PC, Alliance, and SDLP all cannot win huge majorities because they only run in their own regions.

Counter to this, it is much more important for the reader to know what the main parties' standings are. Labour and Conservative are being put on the same list as WPGB. Is knowing how many seats Speaker currently has really key information, vital to the election? I don't think so. DimensionalFusion (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

To return to what this section actually began talking about, I would support dropping the election series template. It's unnecessary clutter. Bondegezou (talk) 09:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@CipherRephic: Since this discussion immediately went off-topic because the editor who replied to you first only bothered to read what they wanted to see and not what you actually said, do you think it would be worth splitting this discussion into two? Or renaming this discussion to refer to the infobox, and start a fresh discussion about Template:2024 United Kingdom general election series somewhere else? --TedEdwards 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@TedEdwards I'd favour starting a new section with a less ambiguous header but as the significantly less experienced editor I feel I ought to defer to you on matters of procedure such as this - what would you suggest? CipherRephic (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@CipherRephic: Since RealTaxiDriver started a separate discussion on the infobox at #Infobox, I suggest further comments about the infobox go there. As for this header being ambiguous, the thing is I don't think it is, and I can't see what anyone could change it to. You were crystal clear with what you wanted to dicuss, but DimensionalFusion, who only bothered to look at the word "infobox", drove the topic off-piste so she could talk about what she wanted. So it's not your fault this happened.

To summarise to all editors: This discussion is on including Template:2024 United Kingdom general election series in the article, not on the infobox (bolding for emphasis). Further comments on the infobox should go under #Infobox--TedEdwards 22:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I misread "2024 election series template (below infobox)" as "2024 election series template (infobox)" DimensionalFusion (talk) 08:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I am going to WP:BOLDly remove the series template using CipherRephic's rationale. If contested the reverting editor can discuss it here. --TedEdwards 17:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Candidate details

A large amount of this article at present -- maybe half? -- consists of various large tables about candidates not standing again, candidates moving constituency, candidates who used to be MPs etc. This seems to me like too much focus on minutiae rather than on the core narrative of the election.

We already have a spin-off Candidates in the 2024 United Kingdom general election article. Could we move some or all of the current content here to that article? What say people? Bondegezou (talk) 09:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed DimensionalFusion (talk) 09:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Please, yes. I like having the information but I having so many bulky lists is not good for the main election article. Ralbegen (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's in danger of getting a bit crowded and there could probably be a better home for it, likely the spin-off page you have suggested. As much as I think the list of candidates standing down is the most relevant, there is precedent for having an entirely separate article just for this information - 2019, 2017, 2015 and 2010. I don't know if this should be created now or post-election though? OGBC1992 (talk) 10:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Although actually 2017's list remains as part of the wider Election article, rather than being its own article. The others have distinct articles. OGBC1992 (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy to discuss different options. My initial thought was to include up to the table labelled "Number of MP retirements by party affiliation", but then move everything else out of this article. Bondegezou (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that would probably be fine. My impulse, as I say, would be to keep the table of retirements on this article and move all the tables beyond that, certainly for now while it's still being added to, but that's just a personal preference. OGBC1992 (talk) 10:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Given support here, I have moved all of these tables, except the table of retirements. I would also favour moving the table of retirements, but left that while there was a lack of unanimity on the matter. Bondegezou (talk) 08:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

This is looking better now, but at present the long list of individual MPs not standing for re-election is still in the main article, and there's a long sentence in the body text describing which lists are in the separate article, which might be better as a hatnote. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, as I said, I've left the list of MPs not standing for re-election as the above discussion was not unanimous on moving it. We can continue that discussion and move or not move it later. Feel free to edit the sentence describing what is in the separate article. Bondegezou (talk) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't checked the edit history - that wasn't meant to be a dig at you. Your revisions are good, and I'm not criticising the wording of the longer 'see also' - it's more a stylistic thing that those sorts of texts are better as notes than body text, but I don't feel confident enough with the appropriate style for hatnotes to make the change myself. Personally I strongly favour keeping only the summary table (and possibly re-adding summary tables for other changes), and moving every detail table to the other article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I would just like to add support for removing the list of retiring MPs from the article and keeping only the summary table. Even with the others removed it is by far the most prominent part of the article. It's a good detail to have, but the summary table would be the right amount of weight to apportion to it. Ralbegen (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I think most people here were in favour of keeping the summary table, which has now gone as well as the list. What's the best way we can cross-include it from the candidates article so that both can be updated together? A template? Ralbegen (talk) 09:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Next time, make it separate from the start

Given the all those (very crufty, IMO) lists have now been hived off into separate articles, is it reasonable to ask whether they should ever have been in this article at all? The fact that they have been removed is an indication that they did not have a long-term place here from day one, and therefore under the principle of the ten year rule should never have been here ( they seem to me to be a symptom of the "I have heard something on the news, I must edit Wikipedia" reflex).

But if there is a place for such gatherings of factoids, and if they are destined to have their own article eventually, should that not be the case from the start? Of course Wikipedia articles can get split into a more manageable collection of articles in a topic as they grow, but I am ot aware of any principle whereby sub-topics are to be grown within an article with the full knowledge that they will eventually be subdivided. Just as there will, soon after 4th July, be Next UK general elektion article (misspelled deliberately to avoid linking back to this) started, could and should there not be a Candidates at the next UK general election started simultaneously? Kevin McE (talk) 08:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

That sounds sensible. Of course, there may not be any material for such a fork article immediately, but the replacement 'next election' article should contain a hidden note to editors directing them to create that fork rather than add such tables to the main article. For what it's worth, as an historical researcher, I have previously found it very useful to know who was a candidate for whom at long-past elections, so I think this stuff will survive the ten year rule - but I appreciate your caution. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

Lets settle this
What should be the infobox:
A - Classic election infobox as seen in 2019
B - Current infobox
RealTaxiDriver (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

B, until the result is declared. For the reasons outlined further up this page, several times.

I genuinely can’t believe we’re still having this conversation. OGBC1992 (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

There are other options: (C) No infobox, (D) Party-free infobox (showing a map or other details, but not parties).

The classic election (TIE) infobox is used now for the 2019 general election, but (mostly) wasn't used for that article before the vote. There has been considerable discussion of what infobox to use before an election over the years, and the most stable consensus has been to use the current (TILE) infobox. However, I note (D) was also used at times during the 2019 campaign.

MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content. Infoboxes should be smaller, not bigger. That's why I favour the TILE format over the bloated TIE format. We also have to avoid WP:CRYSTALBALL predictions and take a WP:NPOV. A TIE format has to exclude multiple parties, which introduces bias, and ends up making a guess about the results. So, I favour (B), but would be fine with (C) or (D). Bondegezou (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content. I believe the numeruous small parties mandated within TILE is unnecessary content. That's why I favour the TIE format over the bloated TIE format. DimensionalFusion (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@RealTaxiDriver B (TILE) seems most appropriate for now - using A (TIE) would necessitate speculating as to whether certain parties (e.g. the greens, reform, plaid) would gain sufficient foothold to be considered major, contravening WP:CRYSTALBALL. I'd concede the TIE box looks nicer, but (especially this early in the campaign) that shouldn't be the primary goal. CipherRephic (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

First of all I need to mention that a discussion on this ended up starting in a discussion on a different topic at #2024 election series template (below infobox) because someone only got as far as reading the word "infobox" before replying. I have attempted now to redirect all discussion on the infobox in that section to here.

To reiterate my view, it is to support B, and I quote myself here to explain why:
Since the topic of this dicussion has diverted to the infobox, I believe I need to explain the reason why I believe TILE is better than TIE until the results of the election are in, since I wrote the note Mapperman03 quoted. There was a discussion now at Talk:2024 United Kingdom general election/Archive 1#Infobox (2) where I explained my rationale in more detail than that note, and I note DimensionalFusion and Bondegezou took part in that discussion. I criticised DimensionalFusion's arguments as unsubstantiated then and I do again now. They have said nothing in this dicussion that they didn't say in that discussion, and so I reiterate my criticisms: "less sightly" is a subjective opinion that falls foul of WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, and comparing to precedence goes against WP:OTHERCONTENT and is an example of the false equivalence fallacy, as past and future elections are not comparable. I take it when they say "redundant" they are referring to TILE including more parties, but that is a necessity to avoid failing WP:CRYSTAL.
On the subject of WP:CRYSTAL, the reason why I believe all the parties with MPs in the House of Commons now/at dissolution (and therefore my reason for using TILE) need to be included is that we don't know the results of the election, and therefore which parties will have a significant number of MPs after the next election. This means to avoid creating an infobox that implies we are presuming only some parties (probably Con, Lab, SNP and LD) will get a significant number of seats in an election we don't know the results of, we have to use TILE, as that is able to list all the parties in a reasonably small amount of space. It's important the infobox is relatively small, as per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE's statement "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." TIE cannot list all the parties necessary to include (either for technical reasons or because otherwise the infobox would be huge), so we should use TILE. This will stay the case until at least the outcome of the election is obvious (when most seats have declared their results). So I disagree with Czello that now or at dissolution is the time to change the infobox, that time will be at the earliest around 03:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC) (that's 4am in the UK) when we know which parties have a significant number of seats for sure. Then TIE will likely be the best infobox.

To reply to something written by DimensionalFusion in response to the above comment, the choice is TIE with all parties or TILE with all parties, as excluding parties will fall foul of WP:Crystal (also pointed out by Bondegezou above). We can't even exclude the Northern Irish parties/Plaid Cymru because the DUP is included in the infobox at 2017 United Kingdom general election because they had a major impact on politics after that election (gave Tories enough seats for a confidence and supply agreement) (Sinn Fein is also included, but that's to avoid white space I think) so it's entirely possible these parties that don't stand in England will still have a significant impact after the election. So while including 15 parties might seem bloated, it's necessary as we can't exclude any of them as that would imply e.g. the Greens, Reform, WPGB or the NI parties definitely won't win a significant number of seats and aren't worth anyone's attention. All we can do is state what the composition of the house at the last election or now (or just prior to dissolution when that happens), as that's the only way to make an infobox with parties that doesn't imply that we're making predictions. TIE with all parties is impossible, so TILE with all parties is the only option if we want an infobox with any parties at all. --TedEdwards 22:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I strongly favour option B, for essentially the reasons laid out above. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I strongly favour option A above. DimensionalFusion (talk) 10:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• B, preferably, or D. TILE lets us include all the parties and not entirely seconcary details like leader's seats, dates of leadership elections, and so on, for a handful of parties, which almost never deserve to be in the infobox. Ralbegen (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

All data in ‘2024 United Kingdom general election’ table is wrong.

The sub heading says it’s for the 2024 election. This is wrong. All that data should be listed for the 2019 election. There is no data yet for the 2024 election. Either change the sub heading to say it’s the results of the 2019 election, or remove the table completley, or input all the parties with zero as their number of seats … and update after the election. 94.105.120.41 (talk) 05:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I take it you mean the infobox? Yes, I agree we could be clearer that this is showing the Commons at dissolution. Could we add some wording to that effect? Bondegezou (talk) 06:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I’ve added some explanatory text. Do people think that’s better?

Another option is to have an “empty” infobox that doesn’t show any MP numbers. Bondegezou (talk) 06:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Technically, from the moment of dissolution, there are no MPs, so I guess there cannot be numbers of current MPs Kevin McE (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Correct, dissolution formally takes place today so technically after today (May 30) there are no MP’s please can the election info box be changed to reflect, also we need more of the election maps updating to reflect the new boundaries. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC))

The text has already been changed to say these were the figures at dissolution. Bondegezou (talk) 11:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

That is no longer sufficient as election infobox shows the current number of MP’s. Well there are now no current MP’s, we should now be using a infobox with images of the main party leaders in line with previous elections. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC))

Lucy Allan - Reform?

Lucy Allan recently left the Conservative Party and endorsed a Reform UK candidate in the election. We counted her as an independent MP. The i now reports she is discussing being a Reform UK candidate. I take that to be sufficient to show her as being in Reform UK and thus for Reform UK to have 2 MPs at dissolution, given dissolution is tomorrow. But it’s a messy situation, so I’ve made that edit, but happy to discuss. This also has implications for how we edit her own page, the House of Commons template and the Reform UK article. Bondegezou (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't get through that article because of the paywall, but it looks like all the claims that she might stand from Reform come from someone anonymous within Reform. This BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kkzv12wndo doesn't include those claims, and I think it's reasonable to suggest that the i's source is not reliable or neutral. If she had actually crossed the floor to Reform, that would be clearly stated in multiple news sources at this point, as it was when Lee Anderson did it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that we should hold off until/unless a reliable secondary source is explicit about it. Ralbegen (talk) 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Regional UK election maps of 2024

Please can SVG election maps with the updated boundaries for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and each of the nine regions of England be created please as we only have currently really have National maps only available at this time. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 11:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC))

Notional result table Workers Party?!

The table of notional results now claims that the Workers Party won a notional seat in 2019. This is nonsense. Has someone been vandalising the page? Can we work out when that got added and whether any other errors were added? Bondegezou (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Added here by an IP editor whose edits have mostly been about Workers Party candidate Wayne Adlem. They also moved the Workers Party in the infobox, which has been reverted. Ralbegen (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

There are no "Current seats"

The infobox heading of "Current seats" should say "Previous seats" or "Old number of seats"? There are no current seats as all MPs have ceased to be MPs on the dissolution of Parliament. Every party therefore currently has 0 seats. Nonetheless, this wouldn't be a helpful presentation to show all parties at zero. Therefore the heading should refer to the seats they have most recently had (but don't currently have). aspaa (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried to tell them this yesterday @aspaa but at the moment no one seems to listern. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC))

@Aspaa: I've just seen your message and I made an edit so that column says "Seats". Unfortunately you can't change the name of that column to anything else unless you edit Template:Infobox legislative election to allow this, and I doubt that would be worth it. --TedEdwards 01:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Background section much too long

We've already got links at the top of the Background section to the articles for the Johnson, Truss, and Sunak premierships. We don't need blow-by-blow accounts of the collapse of the Truss government in this article. (Certain IP editors are also fond of wordy turns of phrase, which is further padding a long section.) I'm reluctant to cut large swathes of it without discussion, but the whole thing should be cut back to 2-3 short paragraphs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. It just needs an overview of Johnson's last premiership, a paragraph on Truss' which should be befittingly brief, and a slightly more in-depth look at the last year or so, and similar for the opposition of course. As you say, further information is linked. Irltoad (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I've trimmed it a bit, but it could definitely still be a lot shorter. I feel that the material on local elections is repetitive and possibly largely redundant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, plus much of the content in the background section lacks references. CipherRephic (talk) 10:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

We definitely need sources, especially for some of the stuff that's now being added to the campaign section. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, the shorter version looks a lot better. Further information is linked and fits better on the linked articles than here. --150.143.27.147 (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

We've already got a good amount on Northern Ireland, Scotland and England/the main parliamentary parties. Should we have a brief bit on Wales, eg the recent travails of Welsh Labour? A sentence or two including Drakeford's resignation and Gething's victory would be enough, I think, along with the SNP leadership changes and the state of the DUP. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree, including a sentence or two on Wales would complete the background section. --150.143.27.147 (talk) 16:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

"The results of the 2019 general election are given below"

Any particular reason why the results of the last election are linked in the background section? None of the other general election articles do this. For the sake of consistency, we should either not have the table here or have tables on all previous general elections. 150.143.27.147 (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:OTHERCONTENT, a simple statement of "other pages do/don't do this" is not a convincing argument. Especially when you're comparing past and future elections, which is a false equivalence. --TedEdwards 19:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Elections that have happened are different to elections that are forthcoming, thus their articles look different. Elections that have happened can and do show the change from the previous election in their results section. We can't do that here as we don't have any results yet! The previous result is always relevant and included, just in different ways. Bondegezou (talk) 21:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, makes a lot of sense. --150.143.27.147 (talk) 06:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

phrasing in the intro

Hi all, reading through the intro I found some of the phrasing (particularly in the last paragraph) to be a bit stilted and hard to parse. I've had a crack at changing some of the more egregious examples, but i'm interested in what other people think on this topic? CipherRephic (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Change of infobox to match previous election pages

Heey.

I was wondering, for various reason, why the page uses an infobox which only tells each parties seat count. First off

• Previous election pages uses a different infobox, which informs about the party's performance at the last election, and who the party leaders are.
• I can't personally see why the current seat count is so important that it has to be in the infobox. No election outlets ever compare the election results to current seats, and their latest election result is much more relevant to look at for an upcoming election if you ask me.
• All the seats are vacant at the moment, so displaying current seats is not factual information.

Isn't it time to make an infobox similar to the previous elections? Thomediter (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

We have discussed this before. The most recent discussion, from about a week ago, firmly supported keeping the current infobox. We prefer this infobox because the election hasn’t happened yet. We took a similar approach before previous general elections. I don’t follow your arguments, which appear to be contradictory. The current infobox is correct because it says MPs at dissolution. Bondegezou (talk) 12:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wdym?

Current seats are 650 vacant, so it’s not factual information that Conservatives have 345 current seats Thomediter (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The infobox does not say “current seats”, so where’s the problem? Bondegezou (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Do they currently have seats, or not?

We have the current number of seats held for each political party, in the House of Commons. Yet, on the separate party pages, we list 'no' seats. Why the inconsistencies? GoodDay (talk) 00:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure I follow. Are you talking about this article's infobox? It's "at dissolution". Tim O'Doherty (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@GoodDay: I've recently done a somewhat counterintiutive edit so the infobox now says "seats". With the text in the infobox it should be clear that these are seats at dissolution. --TedEdwards 01:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no current seats as Parliament is dissolved. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 09:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC))

@MOTORAL1987: I know there aren't any current seats. That's why I changed the infobox so it says "seats", not "current seats" with a previously written note at the top saying it's the number of seats at dissolution. That's also why I said what I said two lines up. So it's clear those numbers are seats at dissolution. --TedEdwards 13:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, it's handled differently at the Canadian Parliament. We keep them as current seats, in both the 'active' election page & party infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 15:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

BTW - Within this article itself, there's inconsistency with the numbers at dissolution. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)