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Yugoslavia vs Serbia[edit]

PLEASE be aware that Serbia and Yugoslavia are 2 different countries by constitution. Yugoslavia was multinational country (all of Yugoslavias) but today Serbia is defined as country of Serbs only. It is not moral correct to Yugoslavia results to be assigned to Serbia.Comparation with Germany is not good because Germany was united in 1990,and no one lose their results, but Yugoslavia was divided (in war) so the result of all nonSerbs and halfSerbs in Yugoslavia cannot be assigned to Serbs. So I suggest to count medals separatly for YUG and SRB.

If you credit them for two titles because of the situation with FR Yugoslavia, you must give credit to all the teams that formed after the country dissolved. Does that mean that Montenegro, and Serbia all won the cup? If Czechoslovakia had won, would you say the Czech Republic and Slovakia both won? As others have said, saying that Yugoslavia and Serbia are the same is simply not true.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.74.88 (talk) 23:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@109.245.74.88: That is not right. FR Yugoslavia/Serbian and Montenegro was not recognized as a successor to SFR Yugoslavia (according to the Agreement on Succession, SFR Yugoslavia cased to exist and was replaced by five separate countries: FR Yugoslavia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and H. and Macedonia, see here). On the other hand, Serbia is recognized as legal a successor to FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro. That was written in the Constitution of Serbia and Montenegro (article 60 "Should Montenegro break away from the state union of Serbia and Montenegro, the international instruments pertaining to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, [...] would concern and apply in their entirety to Serbia as the successor.", see: [1]). After Montenegro broke away from the Union, Serbia continued Union's membership in all international organizations (including sport organizations). So, it is clear that from the point of view of the international law, Serbia is the only successor of FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro, but is not successor to SFR Yugoslavia. FIBA Europe Under-20 Championship started in 1992 when SFR Yugoslavia already disintegrated, so all those medals belong to FR Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro and Serbia, and should be counted together. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Anaxagoras13: Why are you constantly reverting this article to the version that obviously have technical errors? You broke the syntax with those edits. When I reverted you, you reverted me saying the "broken syntax has to be fixed". That was 18 days ago, yet you did nothing to fix it although you broke it. Also, I explained (above) why Serbia and Yugoslavia should be counted together. Instead of changing the stable version, you should engage in discussion and try to reach consensus first. Just reverting others with no discussion is called WP:edit war. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Medals and achievements don't carry over to another country like that. It has nothing to do with political succession. We have discussed it at WikiProject Basketball, we have contacted FIBA themselves, and FIBA won't give those statistics to (current) Serbia. And it's a FIBA competition, so no other power (Wiki editor) can redistribute those medals. It's as easy as that, I know that for Serbian people, it's not so easy to understand, and maybe you never accept the truth and perspective that other people around the world see. But please stop, there's nothing even to discuss anymore. Yugoslavia/S&M consisted of more than 1 nation (Serbia won't be credited for that), like Soviet Union (Russia), and if on day United States are broken into 50 countries - none of those will recieve the credit for US achievements either. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 05:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Was it SCG or YUG?[edit]

@Anaxagoras13 and 176.104.104.102: It's really unconstructive what you are doing (edit warring) and annoying. I'd request a page protection, but actually the anon user tryed to discuss... so I wouldn't try semi-protection. Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for this @Pelmeen10. I tried to explain him what he is doing is wrong, but he just ignores that and it seems he is doing it on purpose. Of course it's SCG ( results of FRY and SCG are counted togheter because that was same country, union of Serbia and Montenegro, which you can see by the same flag of FR Yugoslavia and Serbia nad Montenegro ). Yugoslavia which he is putting in medal table was made of 6 countries and broke up in 1991, a year before this competition started, so it never even competed in it. It's so clearly obvious, it's stupid even discussing about this.

What we should be discussing is if SCG results should be counted with Serbia's but it seems that would be to much complicated subject. 176.104.104.102 (talk) 09:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]