Category talk:Academic institutions

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Reference
See the article college for some terminology notes.

Grandes Écoles, etc.
I'm not sure if Category:Grandes écoles should be translated into English, and whether or not it should be "Universities and colleges in France"? -- Beland 04:27, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Grandes Écoles are a particular kind of French university, so Category:Grandes écoles should first of all be capitalized properly, and then should be made a subcategory of Category:Universities and colleges in France. Category:Lists of colleges and universities should also be kept as a subcategory of Category:Universities and colleges. Not my thing, but based on the proliferation of these kinds of categories in many other areas, a lot of people seem to like grouping list articles all together. I agree that all of the remaining should be merged into Category:Universities and colleges and then deleted. There is no use to having separate categories for universities and colleges. Postdlf 04:54, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * As Postdlf says, grandes écoles are a particular kind of French colleges. Administratively speaking, they are distinct from normal public universities: they recruit their students differently, and are organized very differently in general. I removed the capitalization, since it should be lowercase.
 * I don't think you can do a translation of the concept into English. A direct translation is "great school", which does not mean anything. "Elite school" sounds pretentious, and anyway not all grandes écoles are elitist.
 * I note that many articles in English on this topic on other sites and newsmagazines leave the original French word. I think this is appropriate for foreign concepts for which there's no clear unambiguous translation. David.Monniaux 07:37, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * There are grandes écoles in Italy too - they are called scuole superiori and, from what I know of them, they work just like grandes écoles. This leads me to suppose they exist in other countries too: wouldn't it be better to regroup all of these institutes under something like 'College-like institutions' (surely someone can provide a better name)? 62.98.115.74


 * If you start looking around for "greater" vs. "lesser" university systems, I think you will probably find them in most jurisdictions. For example, California has the University of California schools vs. the California State University schools.  But these groups are slightly heterogeneous with regard to selectivity and academic reputation.  Keeping these grouping within a specific-country or specific-state category is useful for many reasons.  But to group all the "greater" and "lesser" schools across the board does not seem terribly useful.  If you want to compare the selectivity, academic rigor, etc. across the board, what you really want is an article (either from Wikipedia or a periodical or both) on college rankings.  If you want to study how various school systems are structured, administrated, and funded, the best bet is probably the "Education in Location X" articles. -- Beland 01:31, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. It wouldn't be useful to do an across the board categorization.  Articles are better for that kind of comparison.  Postdlf 14:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

CfD discussion
The following discussion comes from Categories for deletion. The consensus was to keep both categories, but the contents of each may need to be examined. Renaming one or both categories has been suggested. (If this is to be done, the category to be renamed ought to be listed separately at Categories for deletion.) -[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah ")]] 19:02, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Category:Academic institutions vs. Category:School types
If there is a difference between these two categories, I can't fathom it. I think they should probably be merged, maybe under a third title. If you support keeping them both, it might not be a bad idea to articulate definitions that can be posted in the intros for future reference. -- Beland 07:24, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * School types should be under Academic institutions instead of vice versa. School types seems to be a category for articles about types of schools. Academic institutions seems to be actual schools. 132.205.45.148 15:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. They're not the same thing at all, and should be kept separate.  Academic institutions would indeed list actual schools (Harvard, Yale, John Q. Anyone High School, etc.).  School types would instead list types of schools (elementary school, high school, middle school, preschool, etc.).  The two are not interchangeable.  Sahasrahla 02:37, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

"Academic institutions" currently has articles about types of schools, as well - medical and art, and general school-related articles. The subcategories of school types list specific institutions (for the deaf, for architecture). So these categories certainly aren't segregated in the proposed fashion right now. It does sound reasonable to divide things up that way, though. My only concern would be, shouldn't the terminology be consistent? Shouldn't it be "Types of academic institutions" and "Academic institutions" ...or... "Schools" and "School types"? And intuitively one might expect to find "Architecture schools" under either "Schools" (since the members of "Architecture schools" are schools") and "School types" (since "Architecture schools" represents a type). So why not just have one category where the articles are general or about classes and the subcategories organize specific instantiations?  (And aren't "research institutes" academic institutions but not schools?) -- Beland 07:44, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Keep. They should be segregated properly, if they aren't. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 23:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)