Category talk:England women's football navigational boxes

Main, FA WSL & WNL navigation boxes
Hi, I saw some things that could be changed in three templates, including adding an article I started, "List of English women's football champions" – I'm posting all the designs here, so feel free to flag up any change you particularly wouldn't like. (Then maybe later, we can try to fix Template:Women's association football so it isn't just a list of movies.) There's no need for templates to follow the men's football style, but I've included a few things that seem to work in Template:Premier League, Template:EFL Championship and Template:EFL League One.

General changes: Order of relevance: The highest articles should ideally pertain the most to the topic. The WSL/WNL templates have the list of clubs first, before the list of seasons - this should be reversed, as season articles are always about the given league, while a club's article may not be, e.g. if they've just joined the league. 'Related articles' should be lowest as the least relevant. Concise: Especially in not wasting horizontal space (e.g. 1 item on 1 line), like "The Football Association" at the top. Most navboxes don't mention governing bodies - an navbox isn't an article, and the FA article doesn't concern itself chiefly with this topic. Plus of course, there are other reasons why it's inappropriate to present the FA as being synonymous with "Women's football in England", given its history.

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Specific changes – Merging Levels 1–4 (as Level 4 joined the "WPL"(!) in 2014). History section: it could have other pages, but the template feels very lacking without any articles on pre-1970 football. "League competitions" (for consistency). List and Category added; Some words deleted: "level 5 (only)" and "South East (Counties)", etc, to save space in a long section - the leagues are identifiable without "Counties", and the words "County" and "Regional" have already been omitted to save space.

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The WSL template has had the problem of divisions changing a lot in a short time (WSL2), and the Women's Championship still isn't well established. Maybe the box will be clearer if both are named in the title, and possibly the Template renamed too.

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Changes – Seasons/Clubs swapped; Championship seasons added; Section titles abbreviated (after first mention). New section "Competition" for records (as in PL/EFL templates). "Spring Series (2017)" link abbreviated (too long for a half-length season). FA WPL link (WSL forerunner until 2010).

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National League, current:

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Specific changes – Cup/Plate section deleted: these are now in Template:Women's League Cups in England.

(I'll collapse these later so they don't take up the whole page) Thanks, Demokra (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry Demokra I meant to reply here sooner. Nice work, I don't see anything to disagree with and appreciate you taking the time to set out all your proposed changes and the rationale behind them. So for what it's worth, it's thumbs up from me, although I confess I haven't really had much to do with the evolution of any of these templates. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 17:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Daz – and thank you to anyone else for reading (..if you did!). Not wanting to make a big change too soon, but some of it was overdue from last year, so I've edited them just now (plus some stuff about the London & South East League). I was going to wait a week to alter them, but it looks like women's English football will be quite a different place next week. Demokra (talk) 00:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)