Category talk:English musicians

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I think this is an inappropriate category name. It is being used mainly for classical music figures, but the name does not make this intention clear. Also, I see little benefit in restricting it to English people, rather than British people. I have set up a "Classical music in the United Kingdom" category, and I would like to shift all the relevant people into new categories as follows: British composers; British conductors; British classical musicians; British opera and classical singers. Does anyone have any comments? I would have no objection to separate categories being created for Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish musicians, but the British classical music scene is not rigidly divided on national lines, so I would like to have comprehensive British categories. I will start reclassifying in a few days if no one comments. Philip 05:00, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * On the British vs English discussion - see Category talk:British composers, where a small consensus has moved the debate in the other direction. On a separate point, should we have so many entries classified as both "English musicians" and "English composers", since the second is a subcategory of the first? David Brooks 00:26, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * On the first point the ideal, but laborious, solution is to create sub-categories of the British category for each of the home nations, as has already occurred for many categories of British people. I have come round to this now and have been putting a lot of effort into it for various classes of British people. On the second point, the answer is a simple no, and this can be tackled over time.


 * Another point is that if we are to create a comprehensive menu system for all GB and NI musicians, the "English musicians" cannot be a preserve of classical musicians. Philip 19:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I did the first on Feb 5; see Category talk:British composers. The only other effort required was to move 5 names from British, and scan the list of "English" composers for examples of Scots or Welsh (there was one, I think). It's been years since I lived in Britain, so my linguistic ear has gone out of tune: should it be "Scots composers" or "Scottish composers"?


 * On the second point, it should be easy enough to list the articles that are members of both, even without doing a SQL query. David Brooks 22:16, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * All the relevant occupational categories are called "Scottish", which I think is overwhelmingly the standard term nowadays, at least in England, and no Scottish people seem to be upset, so perhaps it is there too. I've created category:British classical musicians and will keep working on it. There are quite a few Brits in category:musicians by instrument. It is the usual Wikipedia dualism: some users thinking nationally and some by subject. All the categories will be tied together eventually. Philip 09:23, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)