Category talk:Expatriates from the Ottoman Empire in the United States

Opposed speedy move request

 * Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in the United States to Category:Ottoman expatriates in the United States – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in South Africa to Category:Ottoman expatriates in South Africa – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in the Russian Empire to Category:Ottoman expatriates in the Russian Empire – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in Switzerland to Category:Ottoman expatriates in Switzerland – C2C: Like most of Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire Rathfelder (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - subcats of Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire should all have the form 'Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in ' (which is C2C). Oculi (talk) 23:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Expatriates by nationality are all like Fooish expatriates. Rathfelder (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But not in the more relevant Category:People by former country. And in particular there was the cfd 2017 September 13#Ottoman people, which renamed 'Ottoman people' to 'People of the Ottoman Empire'. Oculi (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * most of Category:People by former country need something to differentiate their adjective from the new country. The Ottoman Empire doesnt need that. Rathfelder (talk) 22:40, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose If you look at Ottoman it has a wide amount of meanings. The biggest problem is that Ottoman refered specifically to the ruling family. In common usage the area was in the 19th and early 20th century actually called "Turkey", but using "Turkey" and "Turkish" would be way too confusing, and is not generally done in historical scholarship. However using just "Ottoman" is confusing, so most references need to use Ottoman Empire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)