Category talk:Fantasy books

CfD discussion
The following discussion comes from Categories for deletion, where the consensus seems to have been that this category name makes sense as it is. I made Category:Fantasy novels a subcategory. -Aranel ("Sarah ") 22:09, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category:Fantasy books
Almost all of the other subcategories of Category:Novels by genre are of the form "Category:X novels", so I think this one should be moved to Category:Fantasy novels for consistency. There are also two subcategories, "Fantasy books by author" and "Fantasy books by milieu", that should also probably be moved over. Overall, the use of "books" and "novels" is inconsistent in various regions of this category structure so perhaps a more widespread renaming effort is called for. I don't know where to go to propose one, though. Bryan 03:34, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename: consistency is desirable. However, this change might leave some contents of the Fantasy books category out. For instance, would Tales_from_Earthsea be included in the novel category, though it is a collection of short stories?  I would say 'no' and put it under a new category that specifies the Fantasy genre, which itself would be the parent of the Fantasy novels category. Courtland 01:31, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not all books are novels. (We have had this discussion before. See Category talk:Science fiction books.) -Aranel ("Sarah ") 02:34, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Aranel is quite right - as is Courtland with whom I disagree about desirability of categories for fantasy short story collections, anthologies, stand-alone novellas etc. --Malyctenar 13:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think I need to be clearer. I didn't mean to imply I wanted to proliferate categories to cover the different modes (e.g. anthologies) but that if we went to Category:Fantasy novels, then all the non-novel fantasy literature could either go under Category:Fantasy (which I didn't know existed at the time I wrote above) or a new category could be made, Category:Fantasy literature. A graph would look like this:

Fantasy ===========| ==> Fantasy literature ==> Fantasy novels Literary genres ===|                           /|\ |                                    |                ========> Novels by genre=============|
 * In fact, this could serve as a sterotypical graph for all genre literature and novels of the various types. Sorry for the confusion.
 * Courtland 17:24, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine to me. As things currently stand, however, "Fantasy books" is a subcategory of "novels by genre", so we either need to remove the non-novels from "fantasy books" (in which case the category's name becomes misleading) or we should remove it from the category "novels by genre". Since a random sampling of the books currently in there were all novels, I figured it'd be easiest to just rename the category and then cull out the non-novels afterward. Bryan 00:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * bolding of Bryan's text by me sounds like a good plan Courtland 04:20, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)
 * Here's the rundown of content in the category (86 items in all)
 * novels: 57; cycles of novels: 21; franchises: 5; anthologies of short stories: 2; other: 1 (this is a series of game-books). Of these, 5 of the novels should be deleted because they don't yet exist (proposed titles).  The franchises refer to a set of novels, movies, games, comics, etc. revolving around a central character or theme; also includes novel series that have members written by un-related authors.
 * items for deletion: Dust of Dreams | Reapers Gale | The Book of Dust | The Crippled God | Toll the Hounds
 * anthologies of short stories: Tales from Earthsea | The Wind's Twelve Quarters
 * gamebook series: Lone Wolf
 * franchises: A Song of Ice and Fire | Conan the Barbarian | Gormenghast | Red Sonja | Thieves World
 * cycles of novels: A Wizard of Earthsea | Abhorsen Trilogy | Barsoom series | Death Gate Cycle | Deryni novels | Dragon Knight | Dragonriders of Pern | Fighting Fantasy Game Books | His Dark Materials | Incarnations of Immortality | Kane (fantasy) | Magic Kingdom (Terry Brooks) | Majipoor series | Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn | Mordant's Need | Pendragon Cycle | The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever | The Guardian Cycle | The Magic Goes Away | The Warlord Chronicles | Xanth
 * everything remaining are single novels
 * Courtland 05:13, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)


 * Keep but move current content to the more specific category. -Sean Curtin 03:08, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)