Category talk:Landforms

forests, prairies, grasslands
Do forests, prairies, and grasslands belong in the Category:Landforms or the Category:Natural history or somewhere else? They are not listed in Landforms 00:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My opinion: they don't belong here -- this is a geological term. May I suggest Category:Terrestrial biomes ? hike395 02:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Huh, looking at the pages in this category, there are all kinds of odd things that don't seem right to me (like "Astrogeology stubs"? "Mythological places"??). I agree with Hike395 that forests, grasslands, etc, are not landforms but rather biomes. The Category:Biomes category looks rather chaotic and messy, perhaps overly subcategorized. But that seems to be the appropriate for for forest and grassland pages. Maybe I'll try some recategorizing if I find the time and energy. The whole category tree for geography (and ecology for that matter) seems a confusing tangle to me. Pfly 04:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed astrogeology stubs and mythological places -- more cleanup is welcome: categories tend to decay with time. hike395 07:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I began to do some cleanup too and noted that we were working simultaneously (some pages I'd opened in tabs for work magically turned out to already be cleaned up when I got to them!). I read through some of the wikipedia guideline pages on categories and got myself thoroughly confused and demoralized on the topic of category cleanup. Guess I prefer making new articles or major expansions to existing ones rather than cleaning up. Admin I'll never be! :-) Pfly 08:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I found the category Category:Terrestrial biomes where grasses and trees were mostly at and it is in the ecology category structure so I moved grasses and trees there and removed them from landforms. Thanks very much.

Next problem: at the country/US state level, there are several categories where tree/grass categories/article are at, might go and it is not clear where they should be. Examples of the categories are Category:Environment of the United States, Category:Natural history of the United States, Category:Geography of the United States. Hmains 02:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Which tree/grass categories/articles are you thinking of? hike395 04:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * example: Category:Forests of the United States. Currently wrongly (maybe by me) in Category:Landforms of the United States.  Hmains 03:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Forests are easy: Category:Forests and woodlands of the United Kingdom was already in Category:Flora of the United Kingdom, so I put Category:Forests of the United States into Category:Flora of the United States. All other countries put their Forests category into the Geography category.


 * Are there any other categories that don't nicely fall into Category:Flora of the United States or its state subcategories? hike395 04:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems that for all but 3 or 4 countries, forests, grassland, and prairies are placed in geography. I think these few countries should be changed so these categories go into geography. This will at least make them uniform. Whether this is the best/right category set to use, I don't know as the WP articles do not seem to support any category. Hmains 03:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I can think of one reason to put forests, grassland, and prairies into a non-geography country category: because the flora category for that country exists. Not all countries have flora categories: only the US and UK do (that I could find) I would suggest putting forests, grasslands, and prairies into such flora country categories, if they exist. (You could argue that, if a forest, grassland, and prairie country article exists, that we should create a flora country category for it. That would be OK with me, too, if you want to make things more consistent). hike395 06:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Many flora by country categories have been deleted because of the objection that flora does not know geographic boundaries so categories by country are not useful. I have moved various fortests in the flora/biota/natural history/environment categories and they just do not seem to fit.  I think geography is the right place.  I have opened a further discussion to get more input.  Thanks Hmains 04:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I would agree that listing species in a country category is not a good idea. But, these forests do have a limited geographical extent and can be assigned sensibly to a flora of a country category. On the other hand, I've become careful about actions on WP that, while nominally correct, can encourage other editors in doing the wrong thing. If the risk is too high that these flora categories will be filled with junk, I can see not using them and putting them in geography, instead.


 * I see that you've made a bunch of flora country categories. I'm sorry if that work is backed out (I hope you are using a bot). Thanks for putting in so much effort. hike395 11:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

deserts
is a desert a Landform or a Terrestrial biome or both? Someone needs to change the articles with a good argument, then only followed by category structure changes. Hmains 02:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry --- my mistake: a desert is not a landform (it isn't listed at Landform). A dune is a landform that occurs in a desert. It's clear that a desert is a biome, because there is the "deserts and xeric shrublands" type of biome from the WWF. hike395 04:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Deserts are trickier: non-USian country deserts categories live in the geography for that country, so I stuffed Category:Deserts of the United States into Category:Geography of the United States. SThis may not be necessary, because Category:Deserts of the United States lives in Category:Deserts of North America which lives in Category:Geography of North America, which is a parent of Category:Geography of the United States. You do a large amount of category work: what do you think?

It seems that deserts are generally in the geography category. Whether this is right or not I just don't know as I cannot find WP article text that support the placement of deserts into a particular category. Hmains 03:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

basins
ok, people: the Category:Basins says 'all' basins are landforms, so what category (ies) of landform do these assorted basins (Category:basins) belong to? Hmains 02:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's highly non-obvious. Category:Ocean basins and Category:Anoxic basins clearly belong to Category:Coastal and oceanic landforms, but I can't figure out where the others belong. Perhaps an expert at geomorphology can answer this. hike395 13:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)