Category talk:Martial artists

What is the definition of this category?
is this a category for (1) professional martial artist who compete for money, or (2) actors who are famous (to some degree) for their martial arts displays in movies/tv. as it stands now, i think this list is incongruous and most likely should be split. uri budnik 01:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Martial arts uses the idea "systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat". In this regard, martial arts practitioners are those who are trained in systems such as taekwondo, karate, wushu, etc. Shawnc 05:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Subcategories
Should individuals be placed under the root "Martial arts practitioners" as well as subcategories, or subcategories only? Please comment. Shawnc 05:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, no. This is a category that cannot be easily split like Professional wrestlers and Sport wrestlers, because their disciplines look identical. That is, you would never mistake Rulon Gardner for Hulk Hogan, but Chuck Norris likely has won tons of karate tournaments. In my opinion, this category will be cluttered enough without making that split.--Mike Selinker 16:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Some observations: if everyone remains under this root category, the tag will inevitably be inserted (there are millions of martial arts practitioners in the world). Sorting the individuals should not be problematic, since the various traditional disciplines are well-defined, codified systems (refer to the martial arts article); a person who practices only aikido would not (and should not) consider himself to be a practitioner of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or Capoeira, and so on. A person who is known to practice multiple disciplines can be placed under multiple categories. Popular subcategories can be subcategorized further by nationality (see Category:Karateka). Those who practice combat but do not belong to traditional or common disciplines can still go into a subcategory (ex. Category:Martial arts practitioners by nationality or maybe an "Unaffiliated" or "Freestyle" category) Shawnc 04:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, no practitioners should be under the root category, in my opinion. I've stamped that out in all the other Sportspeople categories, except Poker and Chess players, which I may or may not do. So I don't think it should happen here either.--Mike Selinker 04:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)