Category talk:Mass media in New Jersey

From: Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 27

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename, but renominate the entire set of Category:American media by state subcategories. This is just to align the New Jersey category with the others in the category, where it indeed does stick out like a sore thumb. The entire set of state categories should be nominated for renaming, where the discussion can center on whether any of them have the right name. This is only to avoid the problem that Bushranger describes, where if the rename doesn't pass, we're not back here again discussing this outlier.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Media in New Jersey to Category:New Jersey media
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was renamed out of process last year. I undid the manual rename, but was reverted as creating a "pointless circular redirect." Rename to return the category to its original name and to align it with the other members of Category:American media by state (from which it has been inexplicably removed). - Eureka Lott 18:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The nom is right that this one is the exception in Category:American media by state, but that's because it it is only named in accordance with wider convention of "Foo in State". The other states media categories should be renamed to this format. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per BHG. Let's rename the rest of them. Benkenobi18 (talk) 23:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose follows the example of Category:Communications in New Jersey. The x in y form here makes the meaning clear and is the better form.  This should stay, while the other media cats should be renamed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: which naming convention we use doesn't matter to me, but it's silly to have one category that doesn't align with the others. Any of you are welcome to nominate the other 49 categories, but I don't have time to do that. - Eureka Lott 01:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename Once upon a time, there was a notion that cultural topics take ethnicities and nationalities (and sub-nationalities), physical topics take locations. Thus, Category:Ethiopian culture → Category:Ethiopian music → Category:Ethiopian orchestras or Category:Croatian culture → Category:Croatian comics → Category:Croatian comic strips. This pattern never achieved universal consensus, but seems to have been tossed to the wind entirely in the last three or four years with whole branches like newspapers and television being converted to the Foo in Bar formulation, in others being retained, and in yet others co-existing (e.g. Category:Brazilian art and Category:Arts in Brazil and their siblings). I see no reason for Category:Radio by country to be organized one way yet the comparable Category:Television by country an entirely different way, nor why Category:Cinema by country and Category:Films by country would show the same difference. While we suss out the question, however, it seems premature to overturn the longstanding convention of Category:American media by state, which follows the pattern of its parent Category:American media and up to Category:Media by country .- choster (talk) 03:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename for now. While the oppose !voters do have a point, the fact is that (a) right now, this category stands out like a sore thumb in its tree, which gives it an uncyclopedic and unprofessional appearance, and (b) assuming that a CfD to change the rest to the X of Y format would succeed is WP:CRYSTAL. Best to go ahead and rename this one to the current standard of this tree, and then nominate the entire tree for renaming to the X of Y format. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose in concurrence w/ reasoning above. The subtle difference between NJ media and media in NJ makes the latter more appropriate as parental cat. (Besides, making this wrong doesn't make the others right or more encyclopedic.)
 * No, but it avoids having to renominate it later if the other categories don't pass renaming. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Category:Media in Washington, D.C., listed appropriately in the by-state cat, has used the in/of format since 2008. Djflem (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It was renamed as part of a group nomination of city categories in 2008. The change was made, but it didn't achieve strong consensus. - Eureka Lott 15:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.195.19.76 (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)