Category talk:Milliners

Hatters are different from milliners
I missed the merge discussion until after it had been passed, and I'm actually kinda annoyed about that.

A milliner is specifically for women's hats/headwear (and by association, adjacent ornamental trimmings and accessories), a distinction that is made on Hatmaking. A hatter is a person who makes men's or functional hats, so a person who specialises in hat bases and forms would be a hatter (as in The Mad Hatter). Typically, a hatter makes standard forms, or follows a standardised long-lived pattern (ie, trilby, riding helmets, boaters, etc) and their innovations are usually quite subtle and focused on details such as a new type of brim finishing or crown construction, while a milliner's work is visual and seasonal. It's the difference between a builder and an interior decorator - one creates a solid foundation designed for longevity, and the other decorates and creates fanciful magic. It is a really rather clear cut distinction, and I would have said something had I noticed the discussion was underway.

In my opinion, Category:Hatters should have been made from Category:Hat makers rather than shoving all the builders in with the interior decorators, because none of the individuals formerly in that category would be considered milliners, and to call them milliners is pretty misleading and inappropriate. Mabalu (talk) 12:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * That is not the impression given by the article Hatmaking. If you were to improve the article, or maybe produce an article for Milliner, we could revisit the discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)