Category talk:Nobles of the Papal States by title

Contested speedy, 27 July 2019

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 * Category:Noble titles of the Papal States to Category:Noble titles of the Holy See – WP:C2C per Category:Honorary titles of the Holy See. PPEMES (talk) 11:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per other parent Category:Nobility of the Papal States. Oculi (talk) 13:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's the thing. Not all pertain(ed) to the Papal states. Cf. black nobility. PPEMES (talk) 12:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The black nobility certainly related to the Papal States - see the article! Johnbod (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't you distinguish Prisoner in the Vatican from the Papal States? PPEMES (talk) 15:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


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 * The whole point of the black nobility is that they were noble before the Prisoner in the Vatican period, usually by centuries. Johnbod (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Did they cease to be referred as such during the Prisoner in the Vatican period? PPEMES (talk) 14:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * According to the article, which you don't seem to have looked at, they started being called that in the period, but SO WHAT? Johnbod (talk) 16:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)