Category talk:Non-aligned Scouting organizations

Scout-like movements
I suggest a separate category be created for Scout-like movements to differentiate them from the true Scout Movement. --Jagz 16:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * pls explain more with samples.Rlevse 16:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For example, it seems to me that Baden-Powell Scouts and Sokol should be in different categories because Baden-Powell Scouts is a descendant of the Scout Movement whereas Sokol was in existence prior to what is commonly considered the birth of the Scout Movement in the early 1900s. --Jagz 18:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Let's see what others think. To me, they both fit this category as they are both unaligned.Rlevse 18:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then maybe there should be a subcategory for breakaway organizations like the B-P Scouts. --Jagz 19:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I created a new article called List of non-aligned Scouting organizations to show the association of the organizations to the Scout Movement. --Jagz 00:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Definition of scouting
For the purposes of this Category, how is the word "scouting" defined and should it be capitalized? --Jagz 14:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See our RulesStandards page: "This category is for Scouting organizations that are not recognized by WOSM or WAGGGS, for whatever the reason. This includes Royal Rangers, Traditional Scouting, Primitive Scouting, WFIS, FSE and OWS, which are all Scouting or Scout-like movements. There are only very few known non-WAGGGS (girl) organizations like the Frontier Girls, American Heritage Girls and some German associations."  Just because it isn't wosm/wagggs, doesn't mean it's not Scouting. Also, our guideline: "Its aim is to develop young people physically, spiritually and mentally so that youth may take a constructive place in society. This is achieved through non-formal education with emphasis on practical activities in the outdoors, the so called Scout method." This cat is a cat for breakaway orgs like BP Scouts that are still Scouting. Boys Brigade preceded BP too but almost everyone considers them part of the Scouting movement. What may be better is to decide what is or isn't Scouting, just merely another youth movement. The two Sokol orgs may well fall into that category. And yes, Scouting should definitely be capitalized here. Rlevse 15:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The article Scouting says that Scouting began in 1907, which seems to imply that the Scout Movement also began in 1907. The Boys Brigade started in 1883. --Jagz 15:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but like I said, many consider BB a Scout or Scout-like org.Rlevse 17:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope someone takes the initiative to remove the organizations that don't belong in this Category. Some should go in a youth movement or youth organization category instead. --Jagz 20:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Category description
I tried to simplify the description at top of the Category page so people will know which organizations belong in the Category. The criteria for Scout-like organizations may need to be expanded. --Jagz 19:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Purpose of this category?
So, a category for Scout organisations/organizations that are not part of WOSM? Why does this matter? Do we have a category for supermarkets that are not part of the Walmart Group? Surely they are either Scouts or not Scouts, and aligning to the POV of WOSM seems a bit non-encyclopedic. DiverScout (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)