Category talk:People from Elbląg

Results: 4 (or 6) books Elbląg. Over 700 books Elbing, official name from 1237-1945
This is a category of people born in or strongly associated with the Prussian city of Elbing and unofficicially referred to as Elbląg in Polish language. Named Elbing until 1945 the city is since then officially called Elbląg and is since 1999 in Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship of Poland.(71.137.194.48 (talk) 18:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC))

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False Statementst
Some guy that is not quite pleased with the border change after Hitlers collapse is permanently vandalizing this category using false statesments.

At first he claimed that the name Elbląg was invented in 1945 and when I gave him books from the 18th century that state othervise he gave large amount of books that were also edited in those times that use the name Elbing. Propably he have just forgotten that a day before he claimed that there was no name Elbląg before 1945.

Nevertheless the cities name, known for centuries and still functioning, is Elbląg even though before 1945 Elbing was more popular. But becouse we now have the year 2009 not 1944 we will use the proper name Elbląg wheather this Vandal likes it or not. 213.238.123.205 (talk) 10:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Please assume good faith, and do not make personal attacks. A content dispute is not "vandalization" and it is considered a violation of WP:CIVIL to call such an editor a vandal. THF (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I treated him with good faith untill October. This guy does this kind of things for at least a year. He continues to vandalize articles pushing former names, deleting info about Polish history of the places and people since I remember. He uses false statesments such as that Elbląg or Toruń were never part of Poland before 1945, that Silesia was always German etc. So I called him a vandal not only for edits in this category (which he pushes at least since March of the previous year) but becouse of his overall activity.

This are all his former IP's (although there is considerably more of them):


 * 70.133.64.78
 * 71.137.205.166
 * 70.133.65.7
 * 71.137.196.30
 * 71.137.202.100
 * 70.133.78.156

Cheers 77.253.71.80 (talk) 20:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I dont know if the statement that this is a list of people from a Polish city of Elbląg is in anyway untrue? Isn't Elbląg a Polish city in Warmian-Masurian Voivodship? Prussia is now only a historical region nonexisting in any political form so how can we write that for instance Wojciech Cejrowski comes from a Prussian town of Elbing?

The begining of the description schould refer to the presen state which is Elbląg in Poland not Elbing in Prussia. It is not a historical category but a list of peole from a still existing city named Elbląg. If you wont to create a different category about people that lived in the city when it was officially called Elbing feel free. But how can we write in 2009 that this is a category of people from Elbing Prussia when both of those names had gone from official use over sixty years ago? Ryszard Rynkowski, Ewa Białołęcka, Wojciech Cejrowski and a majority of the people from the category have nothing to do neither with Prussia nor with Elbing.

Cheers 77.253.66.212 (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Names before 1945
There is no dispute about the fact that the current and valid name of the town is Elbląg. The category name is People from Elbląg so the description schould also start this way.

As to the question wheather, as it was stated by 71.137.194.48, the current name was invented in 1945 or not here are some books from before 1945.:


 * 1 For the name Elbląg
 * a) before 1800 Elbląg - 6
 * b) from 1800 to 1945 Elbląg - 687


 * 2 For the name Elblag
 * a) before 1800 Elblag - 22
 * b) from 1800 to 1945 Elblag - 705


 * 3 For the name Elblong
 * a) before 1800 Elblong - 2
 * b) from 1800 to 1945 Elblong - 98


 * 4 For the name Elblang
 * a) before 1800 Elblang - 10

This a German book from 1779 stating: Elbing (Pol. Elblang). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.65.101 (talk) 14:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * b) from 1800 to 1945 Elblang - 35


 * 5 For the name Elbling
 * a) before 1800 Elbling -29
 * b) from 1800 to 1945 Elbling - 662

As we can see the name Elbing was not the only one present in literature before 1945. Due to the evolution of the Polish language in the 18th an 19th centuries we can see that this name evolved (simalr to other names in Polish). At the same time several Polish names were used for the city especially in the period of 1466 - 1772 when it was part of Poland. Finally the name Elbląg, also known for centuries, became the most popular.

So the statemnt as if there was only one name before 1945 is false. The former Prussian town of Elbląg was those days called not only Elbing but also Elbling, Elblang, Elblong, Elblag and Elbląg.

Cheers 77.253.65.101 (talk) 14:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)