Category talk:Pharaohs

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About Category:Egyptian heads of state: I suppose I don't understand. It seems to me that the Pharoah was clearly Egyptian, and clearly a head of state. Why do you think it doesn't belong in this category? Quadell (talk) 15:08, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

The question is to decide how far backwards in time you could go and find some state of which contemporary Egypt can be reasonably considered a successor.

Due to the complete political reorganization of the area during Greek, Roman, Arab, Ottoman periods, I think it is not reasonable to link Pharoahs to contemporary Egypt (in Category:Heads of state by country "countries" are reasonably modern countries). For the same reason while browsing through the various subcategories to clean up these categories, I did not even think to subcategorize "Roman emperors" in Italy or "Byzantine emperors" in Turkey, or "kings of ancient Israel" in Israel ; I met some cases which were not so obvious (for instance, I would not subcategorize "Emperors of Austria" to Austria, but I admit both ways to do are reasonable).

Indeed a good criterion would be to include some ruler in the subcategory "Heads of state of SuchCountry" if it ruled SuchCountry after the "date of nationhood" purported by List of countries by date of nationhood. (this would mean that indeed, emperors of Austria have their place among "Austrian heads of state" OK, and a bit off topic here :-)).

That's it, I hope it makes my motivations clearer. --French Tourist 16:07, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am now reading and strongly recommend reading Talk:List of countries by date of nationhood. Clearly there are no easy and non-biased solutions to this kind of decision... Better to leave up this matter, we could dispute it for days without reaching any consensus --French Tourist 16:14, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well this one's tricky. I guess it would be easier if it were called Category:Heads of state of Jumhuriyat Misr al-Arabiyah, but that's not a good idea for other reasons.

I certainly see your point. The "Israel" example is a good one. Okay, I have a proposal. See Category talk:Heads of state for the details. Quadell (talk) 17:20, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

Why is Tamara Siuda included in this list? She is not a pharoah... she is a 21st century from the American Midwest who appointed herself a pharoah in 1996. There are several other lists like this that she appears on, unfortunately I'm a wikipedia newbie and don't know how to delete this myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.201.180.137 (talk) 15:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)