Category talk:Surnames of Native American origin

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Am curious to know why Harjo and Deloria have been removed from this category. Thanks for any info! -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Category:Native American surnames
User:William Allen Simpson has objected to the addition of Category:Native American surnames, apparently on the ground that this cat here is supposed to be based strictly on language/etymology, whereas the "native American" cat appears to be defined more in a more general cultural sense. I don't find that argument compelling: any name that is linguistically Navajo (or Creek, or whatever) will also be culturally "native American", so the inclusion is valid.

In any case, this whole debate seems a bit odd as we are dealing with three categories each of which has exactly one page in it, but whatever. I've reinstated the categories. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:NOR. Where are your references that Navajo-language surnames are part of a greater "native American" pan-culture? In particular, that Navajo-language surnames have been adopted or integrated into other Native American languages?

--William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Moreover, these categories are not "cultural" categories. As previously discussed at Category talk:Surnames, that would be "Navajo-culture surnames". I'll revert your revert.


 * Huh? How does "having been adopted into other Native American languages" come into it? You are reading something into the parent cat that is simply not there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Original research is not permitted at Wikipedia. However, Navajo surnames (as well as "Navajo-language surnames," a term that is not to be found anywhere in the literature, yet an editor above insisted in imposing for our encyclopedia) are Native American surnames. Badagnani (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Merging
Surnames are not traditional for Native American people either culturally or linguistically; they are postcontact developments. Due to intermarriage, a person with the last name Begay is may belong to another tribe besides Navajo, and people from several tribes, not just Muscogee Creek, have the last name Harjo. There are not enough Navajo-language or Muscogee-language surname articles on Wikipedia to justify separate categories. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi