Category talk:User en

! category
I removed the ! category because it was confusing me. Nice joke, though. I really did LOL. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 19:58, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Help needed
Can someone post on my talk page how to get my user page in the "H" category? It wasn't there.--HistoricalPisces 18:01, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I need the same --Dexter prog 15:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Better intro
I've added a small introduction to the category.  Lra drama 09:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

South African English userbox has silly parody text
I'd really prefer to have a userbox for South African English that uses proper English text: "This user is a native speaker of South African English" (or the relevant level according to the "-#" parameter) instead of this hideous parody - Template:User_en-sa. The "proper" template series could use "en-za" if there really are users who prefer the existing "en-sa" parody text. Roger (talk) 20:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

What is rationale of professional level on 5 above native level on 4?
The level order has native on level 4 and professional on level 5, thus:


 * Category:User en-5: Users with a professional level of English
 * Category:User en-N: Native English speakers
 * Category:User en-4: Users with level of English comparable to native speakers

Also, on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_en-5 the statement "Next worse level: Category:User en-N (Native) " is made.

Can native be worse than professional?

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILR_scale#ILR_Level_4_%E2%80%93_Full_professional_proficiency a level scheme calls (their) level 4 professional and (their) level 5 native.

I do not remember having seen any precise definition of Wikipedia's level 5, but once - years a go - I though I could classify myself as a contributing with a professional level. Was I wrong? Or is the order wrong?Redav (talk) 20:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I saw this and was wondering the same. I assume the rationale behind it is just because one is a native speaker of a language, that doesn't necessarily make them a professional speaker. I would wager a 35 year old college English professor has a more "professional" grasp of the English language than, say, someone with just as much education but in a non-academic field. Proficiency ≠ professionalism. Though I'd agree, it does seem a bit odd to have "professional English" placed above "native English". I don't particularly agree with that classification either. SalomeCzapiewski (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion without redundancy
So on my User page, I already have my Wikipedia:Babel set up so that it shows I specifically speak American English. I don't want to have to put a separate en in there just so that I can be automatically added to this category list. It says at the top of the page that the ways to be added to it are to either "add yourself" to it or just put the Babel |en| thing in your user page. I don't want to have both! Having just |en-US| should be enough and should also include me in this list. Any help or options? SalomeCzapiewski (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)