Draft talk:Chen-Yu Sheu

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As I have created my first article Please review this and I also have a question, when would it be published? Misbah Haider (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your article was published but I have moved it back to draft.
 * Normally, an IEEE fellow meets the criteria at WP:NACADEMICS, but your source did not confirm this nor was I able to look it up at the IEEE fellows directory.
 * You should go through the articles for creation system until you better understand how to establish notability. I think, technically, you have mastered the process of citing sources, which is good. The tone of your draft contains some promotional wording that needs to be made more neutral. And you need to be very particular about citing a source for every statement you write in the draft. One reason a reviewer might decline your (now) draft article is because it does not meet the required standard for inline citations. This is a good start, but it needs more work.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Really helpful, let me edit according to your guidance and then submit for review. Misbah Haider (talk) 06:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty terrible at academic notability myself, but let me try to explain it as best I can. When writing an article about a professor (or other academic), Wikipedia expects it will be difficult to find general press coverage of the sort we normally require. The alternative criteria laid out at WP:NACADEMICS explain how you go about establishing notability. Note that you are allowed to use a professor's official web page or CV hosted by the university as a source, something which we would normally consider a primary source and avoid using.
 * Someone's publications all by themselves to not help establish notability; evidence of the impact those publications have on the field is needed. Some people use stats like h-index or citation counts to do this.
 * If you want to say that someone is a fellow of the IEEE, you need to be able to point to a source where this can be verified. The IEEE fellow directory is sometimes helpful, but it is better to use as a source something like the annual announcement of new fellows that IEEE publishes - you can then just cite it as a normal publication instead of trying to have the reader do a database lookup.
 * One thing we haven't addressed already: what, if any, is your connection with Sheu?  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 06:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I was not linked or knew Sheu but as wanted to publish an article on Wikipedia, found Sheu and got permission, writing then. Misbah Haider (talk) 06:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey User:Jmcgnh! I just made some minor changes in the draft and also added the credible exact reference behind when he became the fellow of IEEE and also I have removed the amazon link the shows the pricing of books added the google book link where these books content is actually available  Misbah Haider (talk) 11:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * One more thing it is a very lengthy procedure, can you recommend some way quick Misbah Haider (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry I am disturbing but can I know move my page as article Misbah Haider (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Your connection to the subject has not yet been adequately explained, you say you "found Sheu and got permission" what do you mean by that? You took the photograph of him also. Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah Sir, that means I got subject for a biography article then got permission to use all his links and then demanded a copyrighted image as all other images were the property of google. Misbah Haider (talk) 17:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't require permission from anyone? You have marked the photograph as "the copyright holder of this work" did you take the photograph? If not then you are NOT the copyright holder, that resides with the photographer. Theroadislong (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh right, really didn't know this, should I remove the image? Misbah Haider (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "got subject for a biography"? Were you assigned the task of writing about Dr. Sheu?  How much help has he given you in writing this? 331dot (talk) 19:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sir, subject means I searched internet for anyone noticeable in education sector so, I can create a credible biography on it. Misbah Haider (talk) 22:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Google does not own images that appear in search results; the photographer typically does. 331dot (talk) 19:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Sir I didn't know it before. Misbah Haider (talk) 22:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of academia to rigorously check if the awards or chairs that Cheu has meet WP:NACADEMIC, but I'm fairly certain Cheu fails the WP:GNG. Out of the 40 sources on the page I reckon more than half are references to his own work, which is a disqualifying factor towards notability. My guess would be that, when an AfC reviewer confident in this subject area reviews the article, there is a good chance it'll be declined. If possible, I'd try to find sources that talk about Cheu which are completely unrelated to him (e.g articles from institutions he works for are a no-no, any academic work he is listed as an author for is a no-no, etc) or review WP:NACADEMIC to see if you can find sources that show he meets any of 5 criteria listed there. — Sirdog (talk) 22:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Rightly said I will sort for other resources also but the person is the member of IEEE as mentioned in NACADEMIC. I have a question that on adding more notable resources should I remove the research publications? Misbah Haider (talk) 01:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I rightly did not catch that. That may be an WP:NACADEMIC pass, then! — Sirdog (talk) 01:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help Misbah Haider (talk) 02:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)