Draft talk:Defense of Kopanki

spaming
stop posting battles and write it in Polish-Ukrainian conflict 1939-1947 Birczenin (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For what? Forward.ops (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * please stop creating a million articles and write in Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflct instead Birczenin (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Why don’t you add the battle of Vilya in that article? Buddy leave me alone I want to do the articles and I will no matter what’s yo yapping about. Stop adding this “better source needed” while I’ve just add them and you should to read it instead of just writing an false information to my articles Forward.ops (talk) 15:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Once again doubting the credibility of the source no page 2 of the ref was given, and the first is a document that may have been over or under reported, I gave you good examples, using the example of Mykola Lebed. Also source doesn't have author. Birczenin (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In all articles I’ve added the sources and great references. Just click on it and there will be a document of the UPA and read it all. Forward.ops (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * UPA documents overstated or understated is not a source, the article does not have a neutral POV because you should give historians and not chronicles or documents where the main people who created it may not be telling the truth etc. second your ref here is this one "УПА в світлі документів з боротьби за Українську Самостійну Соборну Державу 1942—1950 рр. Т. 2 (Бойові дії УПА) (in Ukrainian). 1960." there isn't a page Birczenin (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * “UPA documents overstated or understated is not a source” it is literally a source, and there’s an official document of the Ukrainian insurgents that showed the battle of the village of Kopanki. Forward.ops (talk) 11:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have already proved to you that the documents of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army cannot be a source because they were written by one person who often concealed over or underestimated numbers. On the example of Viatrovych, there was an accusation about the reliability of UPA documents. Birczenin (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean with "stop posting battles and write it in Polish-Ukrainian conflict 1939-1947" and "please stop creating a million articles and write in Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflct instead"? TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources and encyclopaedic
@Forward.ops For me this article should be deleted, despite its encyclopaedic character it still sounds awful when I read it, please throw out the unnecessary stuff and one more thing what you are doing comes under "own sources" which means that we do not use documents but as birczenin said historical books. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 12:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It’s not my own sources lil bro it’s an official statistics and informations that came from the documents of the UPA. So it’s shouldn’t be deleted. Bro if you’re mad cuz we won this battle then idc bro, stop mentioning me anymore it’s a great article that I’ve made and there’s no reasons for deleting it. You is Birczenin bro you’ve mentioned this name for like 4 times Forward.ops (talk) 12:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes I mentioned it because he was talking to you here, according to the rules of wikipedia it is so called "own research" we do not use documents only books checked and recognize. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 12:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You’re literally doing “own research” by removing the Poles from the article meanwhile they was there and that’s a confirmed information. You’re is Birczenin so and changed accounts cuz got banned again. Documents is used Forward.ops (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Banned? I don't know the person Birczenin and I didn't mention him anywhere but here because he was talking to you at the top, and you have a problem, write what is in the source don't make up your own commanders or after please admin intervention, if you won't stop AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Forward.ops (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Because I see that you do not quite know how to write, try to give you tips such as, remember the encyclopedic nature of the article and another thing about writing what is in the source if it does not mention the Home Army then do not add it by guessing thanks in advance :) AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 12:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * He's right, since you created the page, it might seem like a good article, but it has grammar errors and relies on one source, if you need help, visit the Teahouse. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * only that he uses unreliable sources and has rewritten the text from a document, and I have seen that he can write articles, but this is just out of laziness. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ты задрал Forward.ops (talk) 06:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheNuggeteer Please intervene because this Wikipedian have started using words such as 'idiot'. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No it means you’re annoying Forward.ops (talk) 06:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No you just don't have the culture and that's it, there is a rule on wikipedia that we should treat each other with culture and kind language, but I don't like to be called name :( . AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I’ve absolutely don’t care ;) Forward.ops (talk) 06:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you don't care you will be blocked as after I ask to intervene I thought you would show remorse, but I don't see it AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok sorry and stop annoying me and stop answering me I don’t care about that Forward.ops (talk) 06:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * you should, in my opinion, renew the article and throw out the ones you don't need, or I will already do it for you, i'm going to do it, for you AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How Forward.ops (talk) 07:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I propose to move foward's to the sandbox @Forward.ops@TheNuggeteer AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 07:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I asked how. Answer Forward.ops (talk) 07:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you want to let the article stay in your userspace? TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No Forward.ops (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You can try to improve the article there. TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * in the sense of his dirty copy, where he can create and do with the article what he wants, the writing of this article is hard because of the language in the documents in the past and only because of the source, which is based on the document, but in the book by Grzegorz Motyka I read that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army had a tendency to understate and overstate the numbers, among other documents example Mykola Lebed. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How Forward.ops (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * and I meant such a sandbox like at me AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 07:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam He already wants to delete the article TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine then if that's the way he wants it I'd like to keep the article because it requires, by improve sources, but if he fancies, it that's fine. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok Forward.ops (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you want to delete the article or move the article to your userspace? TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * All in all, delete the better, as I could not find sources on the subject. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 08:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm asking the page creator (Forward.ops); he decides if he wants to do this or not. TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I couldn’t read the text what’d you described it’s just a liters Forward.ops (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So, you want to delete it? TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, for what? What’s wrong with it? Forward.ops (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You earlier wanted to delete it, do you want to move it to your userspace? TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Save the article
I really want this page to be saved and not deleted. Because why? What is the problem? The information that I have worked hard to add to Wikipedia is verified and not fiction, as someone claim. This document carries with it a historical and real character, so the local Ukrainian residents of the village themselves confirm it, as do the Poles and Hungarians. I don't know exactly is does the Home Army was present in the battle, so there were Hungarians with them, that is, maybe it was the Polish Auxiliary Police but honestly it is hart to understand due to the hard writing of the document which I have read all of it several times. The document only mentions Poles. I don't fully understand what I did wrong, maybe I wrote something wrong or added. Also, explain to me what exactly is short and clear, without a large text and in many letters, because it is not easy for me to read because of my own problems. Thank you, best regards from Forward.ops (talk) 08:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You earlier wanted to delete the article Here, do you want to save it? If yes, I can help you with that, (I got an article to B Class once!). TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes I want to save it because I don’t see the reasons to delete it. How can you help me? Forward.ops (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what and where Kopanki is, and I can't find a mention of Kopanki on Wikipedia, can you tell me? TheNuggeteer (talk) 09:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Kopanki (in Ukrainian Kopanky) is a Ukrainian village that is located in the modern-day Kalush Raion of the Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast. It is showed in the Ukrainian Wikipedia: https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8_(%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD) Forward.ops (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am just as much in favour of the right to save article, only please find a better source because this document falls under the principle of "own research(W:V)" that is not a properly selected source that is biased for the Ukrainian side and has no neutrality, there should be a history book no chronicle of the Home Army and Ukrainian Insurgent Army. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am trying to find a source in Google and Google Books, I just need to know what and where is Kopanki. TheNuggeteer (talk) 09:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are almost no sources in the English part of Google. Can you try to find sources in the Ukrainian part of Google? TheNuggeteer (talk) 09:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Honestly it is the same situation with the Battle of Vilya, there’s no other sources expect the Polish one. So it’s also doesn’t have an neutral side of the conflict. Forward.ops (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It is worth mentioning that the Battle of Vilya has historical books that are reliable sources such as Grzegorz Motyka and Siemaszko professional historians appreciated by a group of historians. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Same with mine. I’ve added a sources that have a professional Ukrainian historians and a group of them. They’ve confirmed it also. Forward.ops (talk) 09:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What a professional the whole article is based on a poor document and not on historical books you can use among others this historian Ilyushin Ihor Ivanovich[uk] AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s not a “poor document” it’s a strong document with a proofs and there’s mentioned 2 books in it. Forward.ops (talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And the pages of these books? This document does not comply with the rules of wikipedia unfortunately. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)