Draft talk:Frank Sinatra

Article development
Let's discuss things here.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I would rather work on the main article than here but given the Bentworth sourcing problems I think it's best we research and check things ourselves from scratch. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Here seems like a good place. We'll have to move this page to the article's talk page archive or something afterwards. Will contribute soon, but reading the books is taking a bit longer than originally planned. Should be ready to start adding stuff some time in October though. This is Paul (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

On second thoughts I think it might be more of a motivator to work on the main article and just better to work on it in the mainspace. We can still use this for compiling sections and rewriting and then update the article section by section though. We will need to verify all of the existing content on Sinatra though that we keep.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:10, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

, and  I've had a go at working here but my gut feeling it that it's better to work mainly on the main article and overhaul it there. Long term I think it'll be more motivating to see the changes develop and instantly viewable. We can still use this as a sort of rough workbox for compiling material of course.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Early life
, and  Do either of you have the Summers 2010 book? The early life info needs resourcing and reconfirming. In the Sinatra at the Sands live CD he recalls his earlier life and said the school told his father "Here's the diploma, get him out", which seems to contradict him not graduating. He also said he worked for a shipping firm I think "lifting crates of 600 pounds".♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * pages 25-26 Dolly was the one who wasn't worried about his leaving high school because she thought one didn't need an education to get a job. Marty had hopes of his son going to college (and Sinatra did have talent for drawing mechanical items) and was disappointed when his son left school in 1932.  Sinatra often expressed regret about not remaining in school longer; he also worked throughout his life to keep learning. We hope (talk) 16:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't access it in the UK ;-(♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:39, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * same pages from Google Books UK We hope (talk) 16:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope not there, will vouch for that! You can see it for all google domains because you're in the US!♦  Dr. Blofeld  16:53, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ditto – can't dig it out on either of those two links... - SchroCat (talk) 21:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's really weird! What are you offered-a limited search? We hope (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

It says:

"Sinatra: The Life Front Cover Anthony Summers, Robbyn Swan Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group, 18 Dec 2007 - Biography & Autobiography - 624 pages 21 Reviews Packed with revelations, this is the first complete account of a career built on raw talent, sheer willpower--and criminal connections. Anthony Summers--bestselling author of Goddess: The Secret Lives of Marilyn Monroe--and Robbyn Swan unveil stunning new information about Sinatra’s links to the Mafia, his crowded love life and his tangled relationships with U.S. presidents. Exclusive breakthroughs include the discovery of how the Mafia connection began--in a remote Sicilian village--and moving interviews with his lovers. Never-before-published conversations with Ava Gardner get to the core of the tragic passion that dominated his life, came close to destroying him, and made his best work heartbreakingly personal. Sinatra delivers the full life story of a complex, flawed genius.

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 * From what else I read on the pages, Sinatra's last graduation was from junior high school. There are two versions of how he left high school-one is that he dropped out-another is that he was expelled. This section of it goes on to say that Sinatra invented stories of his childhood where he was alternately picked on or was a neighborhood tough. He even had more colorful explanations of how his eardrum was punctured than truth.  His uncle said that none of these things actually happened; Sinatra had the usual, normal childhood fights and no one was seriously hurt during them. So it seems he was doing a little "tall talking" while performing at the Sands. :) We hope (talk) 18:39, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

What is this?
Why does this "draft" exist when we have a fully functional article Frank Sinatra? --  Jack of Oz    [pleasantries]   22:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Duh, the article is now written, it wasn't when this draft began in Wikipedia:Frank Sinatra.♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)