Draft talk:Jean Dawson

Jean Dawson and this draft
User:Liz, User:Jimfbleak - I am puzzled about this draft. As a reviewer, I see two problems with this draft. First, it does not satisfy musical notability or general notability. That would in itself mean that I will decline it. However, second, there is also an article, Jean Dawson, which is marked as saying that it was the subject of a deletion discussion, which concluded that it should be merged into Draft:Jean Dawson, and says that if the merge has not been completed, an editor should consider facilitating the merge rather than tagging the article for deletion again. My review is that there is no content in the article that is not in the draft; that is, there is nothing to merge. But there was nothing to merge on 27 August. (Also, the article was created by a sockpuppet.) The draft already had more information than the draft. So the article, with the merge tag, is just sitting there in mainspace, asking to be merged, and there is nothing to merge. This draft has more information than the article, but not enough to clear the notability bar. I will be declining the draft, but I am puzzled about what should be done about the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Robert McClenon I've deleted the article, we should have draft and mainspace versions co-existing, and the draft has more content than the article Jimfbleak - talk to me?  11:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jimfbleak that deletion was premature given the ongoing 2nd AfD (which should have a notice above and I'm unsure why there isn't one). Even though it's the same move I'm in favor of which you can see in my AfD vote, I think it should be undone until the conclusion of the discussion even if just for the sake of procedure (assuming it can be undone). QuietHere (talk) 12:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * QuietHere, are you suggesting that I delete the more extensive draft instead, despite it having much more content. I can't see how it can be correct to have a draft and its  article co-existing. We can't AFD a draft, but I suppose that the draft could be moved to the existing article space and AFded in turn? Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jimfbleak No, absolutely keep the draft. I'm just saying that there's another AfD for the mainspace page which is currently ongoing, and that deleting that mainspace page is premature given the ongoing discussion. My argument in that AfD is to delete the mainspace page and promote the draft just like you're saying to do, I'm just saying that for procedure's sake it would be better if you brought your argument to the AfD to help establish the consensus that we both agree upon here and then delete the mainspace article and promote the draft once it's closed. QuietHere (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * QuietHere, restored as requested Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jimfbleak thank you and apologies for the confusion. QuietHere (talk) 13:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)