Draft talk:Michael Shapiro (journalist)

Questions from the article's first author user:Slim8029
My answers indented one more level. Please ask further questions in a new section .....
 * Side question - I assume you've decided the Michael Shapiro topic is "notable" enough to include in Wikipedia??
 * no opinion, depends on sources
 * Re item 2.
 * Well, there are a couple of published sources that contain the information I added to John Murray Murray's entry.
 * THE MURRAY FAMILY REGISTER 1794 -1977 by Caroline Murray - shows up on a google search
 * Murray-Stamregister 1794-1954 by Emma Horn shows up on biblio.com.
 * I don't have copies of these books so could not upload them to Commons. Can I nevertheless use one of them as a citation?
 * The current version of the Family Register is 300 pages long and is privately issued but has an ISBN number.
 * See WP:RSP. Are they held in libraries?????
 * Re the photo.
 * I think this was taken by my mother (now deceased). So am I permitted to upload it?  I have other photos of lesser quality taken by either my mother or me.  I assume I could upload one or more of them?
 * Photos are difficult and Commons is the place to find / seek guidance.
 * Re references
 * Yes, I plan on adding the other references to the Michael Shapiro document. But I now gather I can't refer to casual information I've gathered.  For instance, Beverley Hooper has been most helpful with her comments about earlier Word drafts.  But her remarks are not published, obviously, so can't be referenced, I assume?
 * Correct.
 * Re a specific reference.
 * One of the documents I have is "Speech at the Memorial Meeting for Michael Shapiro, October 21, 1986, Xinhua News Agency". I would like to add this to Commons since it has relevant details in it.  But I am not its creator.  I think it was prepared by Michael's wife and sons (all now deceased or incapacitated), possibly with input from Michael's Xinhua colleagues.  What can I do with this document?
 * See WP:XINHUA. I would ask 'Is this document held in a library somewhere????'. 'Can I view it there?
 * Your help is appreciated.
 * Sallie Slim8029 (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Discussions about the article (or draft article) should go here. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:XINHUA led to an entry on Reliable Sources (very interesting). (I keep heading down rabbit holes, since I get intrigued by stuff that pops into view although it has no relevance to what I'm working on.)
 * I searched the Noticeboard Archives for the speech document but it wasn't found.
 * The document has no identifiable author. Just the title.  So must I just abandon the document?  Or is there some way to refer to it?
 * I noticed that SCRIBD is unreliable. Sadly, I have a reference to an article there, and that will probably be a problem also.
 * Thanks. Slim8029 (talk) 03:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

New page name
I moved the page to avoid conflict with the disambiguation page at Michael Shapiro. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 04:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I've now browsed through some of the editorial comments in response to other people's questions and I find myself quite intimidated by the severe tone of the editors. Be that as it may, I will try to move forward with my project.
 * Regarding John Murray Murray references. Both the Murray-Stamregister 1794-1954 by Emma Horn and the current Murray Family Register can be found on the National Library of South Africa website.  Presumably this makes them legitimate references so I can update the JMM website with the two sentences I entered earlier?
 * Your view? Thanks.  Sallie Slim8029 (talk) 19:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You can try..... The editor that reversed your addition said (in the edit summary) 'unsourced'. so hopefully providing a source will avoid that issue.
 * You might find WP:BOLD and WP:BRD useful reading. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Entering References
I am really struggling with including the References for my article. It now says I must do them in Source mode (which is very confusing) but shows only two of them in that display. I was entering them in Visual mode before by clicking on a Cite icon that is no longer available.

So I am stuck. How do I get out of this bind? I've read the written material about references but am still confused. It would be incredibly helpful to actually talk with someone. Is that possible?

Thanks Slim8029 (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)