Draft talk:Miraheze

Needs more non-primary sources to establish Wp notability
Any minute now a Wikipedia admin will delete this page. --Rob Kam (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @Rob Kam: We need to find more non-primary sources to establish notability. One was present (Between the Brackets) and I recently added one that I could find on Google (Kotaku). We also need to keep the article active (there's auto-deletion if no edits were done in 6 months) while it's in draft, and submit it when we think it's complete enough to pass creation. -Vipz (talk) 01:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Agent Isai and others, good work on finding more secondary references and content to add. I suspect we'll need some more before resubmitting for creation, but good progress so far. :D -Vipz (talk) 20:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Edit: Nevermind, just noticed it's been resubmitted for creation, fingers crossed it passes. If not, there's space and time for improvements. -Vipz (talk) 20:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion
John is a WMF banned user. I thought if I could mention that without some issues. 12.88.178.218 (talk) 12:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can find reliable sources to back up your claims, go ahead. Otherwise no, this article deals with Miraheze and only remotely with its founder. -Vipz (talk) 12:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Global account information, Wikimedia
 * User:John F. Lewis, Wikimedia
 * Block log, Wikipedia
 * User:John F. Lewis, Wikipedia
 * "I would prefer that we didn't encourage linking to services run by WMF globally banned users. Legoktm (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)"
 * --Rob Kam (talk) 00:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rob Kam: so what do we do with these? Are you suggesting coverage of Miraheze's founder on this draft article? -Vipz (talk) 00:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Although I'm providing sources about John Lewis being blocked by WMF, in case it's of any use, there's already enough relevant information about the founders in the draft article. I'm bringing to attention that reliable secondary sources might not alone be sufficient for the draft to qualify for a Wikipedia article. --Rob Kam (talk) 01:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rob Kam: Reliable secondary sources (coverage) are in fact the only factor in having this article accepted. Citing Wikipedia would instantly lower its chances of going through. -Vipz (talk) 01:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

What links here.
A list of Wp articles that could link to a Miraheze article: Rob Kam (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comparison of wiki hosting services
 * Comparison of wiki farms
 * Wikipedia:Alternative outlets
 * MediaWiki


 * Aside from Rosetta Code and History of wikis where it's directly mentioned and external links sections on various articles that link to Miraheze wikis. I want to chime in that it's weird no one is picking up Miraheze for a review, interview or recommendation, even though it's hardly an obscure wiki farm in this day and age where corpo Fandom is gobbling up all other competition. -Vipz (talk) 04:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there any audience for a review, interview or recommendation about Miraheze, (for whatever independent reliable source)? Rob Kam (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Possible secondary sources independent of the subject.
Rob Kam (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closure of Miraheze, NationStates, 15 Jun 2023
 * Miraheze (a wiki hosting platform) is shutting down (miraheze.org), Hacker news, 16 Jun 2023
 * Miraheze is not shutting down, Hacker news, 18 Jun 2023
 * Miraheze Shutting Down, Pillowfort, 16 Jun 2023
 * Miraheze suspending wiki hosting in September. bluearchive.wiki is affected, BlueArchive. Reddit, 16 Jun 2023
 * Free wiki farm Miraheze will shut down, Tildes, 17 Jun 2023


 * All of these are forum or social media posts so they aren't usable, though it's sad to see it go. Even if, getting an article only after a shutdown isn't great. Fingers crossed that a new team forms up to save Miraheze before the planned shutdown. –Vipz (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe the list is still useful. Rob Kam (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Some links about Orain
Rob Kam (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20160418121052/http://drunkardswalkforums.yuku.com/reply/132541/All-The-Tropes-Wiki-Project-Part-V#reply-132541
 * https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11130
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20150914045029/http://Meta.Orain.org/wiki/Main_Page
 * https://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.fandom.com/wiki/Orain
 * https://orainblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/25/orain-compromise-initial-statement/
 * https://addshore.com/2015/09/downfall-of-orain/


 * @Rob Kam: I think you should remove the above quote from this talk page (leave the link). Also, you didn't make it clear it isn't your post. –Vipz (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. --Rob Kam (talk) 22:44, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

About my edit
@Alalch E. I see you reverted my edit. Could you explain why? The edit summary "it@" wasn't clear. TripleCamera2022 (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. I misclicked while using the phone and accidentally saved before inputting the proper edit summary. I then corrected this in my subsequent edit (dummy edit), which contains the actual edit summary that was intended for the previous edit, and it is in this edit summary that I have given my reasons for the revert. —Alalch E. 14:21, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Change of management: It would be useful to note in the article that User:CA/UA left to setup WikiForge/WikiTide and then the 'internal drama' happened, followed by volunteers leaving Miraheze for WF/WT, some staying with Miraheze and a third party offered to keep Miraheze running. Rob Kam (talk) 16:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. Thank you for your explanation. I think I'd better wait and see what happens next. TripleCamera2022 (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Also useful to include would be an answer to "What's the similarities/differences between Miraheze, WikiForge and WikiTide?". Rob Kam (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Even Miraheze is lucky to get mentioned here and there in sources, and I doubt WF/WT are going to have any coverage whatsoever anytime soon. This is a question best answered on a dedicated page like the Miraheze FAQ (or some other site to avoid bias). –Vipz (talk) 14:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Please return this article to draft space
The article was moved out of draft space, not in good faith and before it has sufficient sources to be notable. --Rob Kam (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Backgound info
Again not a secondary source. This is a recap of recent events that might be of interest. FSSLC: The actual next step in Miraheze's growth by User:Agent_Isai, All Things Miraheze, 3 Feb 2024 --Rob Kam (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)