Draft talk:The Fantastic Four (2025 film)

silver surfer
cosmic circus reported that silver surfer is getting a marvel studios special presentation and it'll be a prequel to this film.223.187.252.51 (talk) 11:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The Cosmic Circus is considered an unreliable source and as such, that information is not to be used as fact. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

SAG-AFTRA
How do we know that SAG-AFTRA listing Pascal means he is officially cast and they aren't just basing that on the same information that we already have? I don't think we've ever used a SAG-AFTRA listing to confirm casting before. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that it was listed is fairly notable and its removal doesn't automatically mean it was incorrect. I interpreted it as them relaying information they may have thought was already public knowledge rather than it stemming from all the other reports, though I could be wrong. I think this could be a similar case to that site saying Mads Mikkelsen was in Doctor Strange 2 and Mashable listing the roles for Agatha. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think it isn't noteworthy and am happy with the sentence we have in the production section, I'm just not convinced that this is reliable confirmation of the casting being completed on the same level as Pascal, Marvel, or the trades confirming the casting. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It is somewhat skeptical, I will give you that, and probably not up to the same level of the trades or other traditional confirmations. I will note that the likes of SuperHeroHype, Game Rant, JoBlo, World of Reel, ComingSoon, Dexerto, MovieWeb, CBR (in a since deleted post), and Christopher Marc of ThePlaylist all took this either as a confirmation or as implying a confirmation. If others feel strongly, I would be alright with hiding Pascal from the lead/cast section, etc. for the time being. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well Shakman has straight up posted on IG Stories the SAG AFTRA news bit so that’s practically confirmation. He didn’t deny it or anything. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 14:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Gizmodo also takes the SAG-AFTRA mention as potential confirmation, while TechRadar, Screen Rant (in another mysteriously since deleted post), and AIPT Comics all took Shakman's post as indicating further confirmation. This may be a case of WP:VNT with how all these sties essentially came to roughly the same conclusion on this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * that's a fake instagram account. KingArti (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, that's funny and explains SR's deleted post. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So it seems to me that we just have speculation about whether the SAG-AFTRA listing is true confirmation or not, so I am still pro us hiding Pascal in the lead and cast list for now. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree @Adamstom.97 KingArti (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I also agree with keeping the info hidden for now. -- Zoo  Blazer  22:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Roger that. I have hidden the info now. Glad to have some clarity and common stance on this from regular editors. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Ralph as Galactus
says he was cast and not just in talks

source 2600:1004:B301:158C:48DD:C844:66BC:E06C (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @2600:1004:B301:158C:48DD:C844:66BC:E06C
 * edit: oh, never mind. does say he's in talks 2600:1004:B301:158C:48DD:C844:66BC:E06C (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * At first they say he's in talks but they go on to say that he's actually landed the role: "Ralph Ineson, [...] has landed the plum part of Galactus, the antagonist in Marvel Studios’ The Fantastic Four.". And in their tweet they say he's been cast: 'Fantastic Four' Casts Ralph Ineson as Galactus. Aldwiki1 (talk) 00:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A lot of trades use "cast" and "landed" when, per the fine print, there are still some terms to be negotiated before a deal is actually finalized. THR wouldn't have included "in talks" in the sub-headline if it wasn't accurate. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Deadline's report indicates Ineson is fully cast. Ineson himself also corroborates on X. Rusted AutoParts  01:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * While Deadline's report says "tapped" and not "cast" and Variety also says he is "the latest addition", TheWrap also says he is "in talks". Ineson didn't directly confirm he was cast yet, and we cannot infer that from his tweet. There is WP:NORUSH in listing him in the cast lists and we can wait for more sources to eventuate on if his deal is fully completed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "tapped" and "landed" can mean chosen/agreed to be cast, so they don't contradict the "in talks" bit. No reason why he can't be in talks and also want to share the news on social media either. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I think we should still be holding off until we get confirmation that he is no longer in talks. His tweet did not say that talks were complete, and the source you added just says he "essentially confirm[ed] the casting". - adamstom97 (talk) 16:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree, I'm still not convinced by Ineson's tweet, and the ComicBook article doesn't independently confirm his casting. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess then my question would be why is it that THR is being given the most credence? Deadline and Variety report on it as a done deal. When it comes to TheWrap, they are essentially reporting on the THR report. It just seems, coupled with Ineson himself directly acknowledging, that it's a done deal. Rusted AutoParts  01:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Additionally, The Gersh Agency, his American talent agency, announced his casting on Instagram. Rusted AutoParts  01:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Because THR had the exclusive. We have two trades saying he's in talks and two using phrases that do not actually explicitly confirm his deal is finalized, as Adam and I noted, so there is no clear right or wrong here. The best course of action is to note he is in talks. I know talent agencies love to prop up their actors and, as an involved party, it is best to take their post lightly as it differs from what third-party sources have stated. There is no harm in seeing if any of the trades clarify their reports based on that, though I doubt it. While I would typically offer we include these mentions, they don't seem definitive enough to warrant a passing mention or saying he is 100% cast just yet. Again, there is WP:NORUSH. We'll get more solid confirmation eventually. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the caution, it just really feels like too much erring on the side of caution. I'd be more inclined to wait for more concrete intel but with Ineson and his representation both directly acknowledging it, I feel comfortable including him in the cast lists. And if THR was the originating source would it not stand to reason Deadline and Variety, being their own entities, independently verified the news as being confirmed at that point? Rusted AutoParts  03:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Except Deadline and Variety didn't directly say he was cast. "Tapped" and "landed" are not mutually exclusive to being cast. It could refer to final negotiations or being the finalist. Ineson didn't confirm he was cast and his agency saying it in a tweet is similar to the trades simplifying wording in other tweets. I'm just not convinced by arguments this was a done deal when the news broke. It likely could be signed within this next week, though when we have sources that differ, we should go with what the exclusive report said and potentially note what the others said, though the cagey wording makes it difficult to pinpoint specifics of the negotiations vs casting narrative that a talent agency is likely to lean into for their client. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Rahul Kohli
I see Adam has stated in his revert he is uncertain about this. While I understand the impetus of the discussion was about fan castings, (having watched the clip) I think Kohli then veers into noting how the fan castings were on to something and he had been considered for the role before it went to Pedro. I think we can confidently include this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Kohli actually clarified his comments, saying "Fucking hell, this is being blown way out of proportion. I wasn't gonna address it but I guess I have to now. I said during a podcast 'I didn't get it.' I didn't say I was in the running or I lost to Pedro Pascal or I was being considered or close to being in it. I just didn't get it and it was part of a larger point about fancasting and mental health." This seems that he was merely discussing the fancastings and how those just didn't come into fruition, not that he was actually serious in consideration or approached for the role. Based on his clarification, I don't think this is something worth mentioning as it seems there was never anything official to begin with. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My issue with the original addition was we didn't know whether he auditioned or discussed the role or was just considered for it, because all he said was that he didn't get it and he almost discussed something that he shouldn't. This clarification backs that up I guess. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw those clarification soon after making this discussion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)