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Argentina and Uruguay
Both countries are coloured wrong. Uruguay should be coloured in dark blue, since former Presidente Vázquez vetoed a law that would have de-criminalise abortion, si it kept illegal. Argentina, on the other hand, should be in orange, since abortion is legal in cases of rape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar Sanchez (talk • contribs) 05:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Source? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Uruguay (Uruguay) http://www.lawsandlanguages.com/2009/08/translation-and-abortion-legislation-in-argentina/ (Argentina) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar Sanchez (talk • contribs) 14:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Iceland
Why is Iceland marked as green when it should be blue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.76.238 (talk) 03:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC) Explain why! Sources etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.29.253 (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Source? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Abortion in India
This image is incorrect for India. Abortion in India is legal upon request and therefore the country should be colored blue.

See this washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901219.html "Abortion -- legal in India since 1971 -- originally was trumpeted as a way to control the country's rapidly expanding population, now about 1.1 billion people, making it the second most populous country in the world, after China. "

Wikipedia's own article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_India —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.244.52 (talk) 15:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Spain
New law in Spain. Colour of map for Spain should be blue as in France. 92.252.116.53 (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Parliament in Madrid voted on December 17, 2009 to legalise abortion. Also Senate in Madrid voted on February 26, 2010 to legalise abortion on request. 92.252.96.56 (talk) 03:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * HeraldSun:Spanish lawmakers vote to legalise abortion 92.252.122.195 (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Frankfurter Rundschau:Spain becomes liberal (german)
 * MSNBC:Spain OKs new abortion law, angers church
 * CNN:Spain abortion bill clears parliamentary hurdle
 * ✅ -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain
Shouldn't Great Britain be in blue? The article Abortion law has "on request" as "Yes" (even before I edited it to get rid of the "Varies" that only apply to Northern Ireland, which has its own row), de facto it's available on request, and has a similar limit to the US (24 weeks) and a more liberal limit than France (12 weeks), which are both in blue... Sceptre (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Its certainly de-facto available on request. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Republica Dominicana
Shouldn't DR be in dark blue now? 75.118.170.35 (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. 200.42.236.152 (talk) 03:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Germany
Shouldn't Germany be in blue too? Polish women who can't have abortion in Poland, often go to Germany. So it must be legal there on request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SleepySheepy (talk • contribs) 11:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This ist not correct! I don't now how to change the colour! Under the German Civil Law an abortion ist still a criminal offence (see Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch § 218 and § 218a/Civil Law). Just in special cases (e.g. rape, social conditions) for example it is allowed to have an abortion. You have to visit a counseling for several times to reseve a certificate, which allowes the abortionist and the mother not to be punished for the criminal offence. An abortion is still illegal in Germany, therefor it is not correct to say it is blue. But it is true that the abortion law is less strict in Germany than in Poland.

Nice greetings from Germany Sorry for my English —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 07:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Your English is fine. What colour should germany be and do you have a source? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 07:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

My source is in the text: Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch (BGB) § 218/§218a (Canon of Civil law) It needs a new colour (e.g. blue and balck stripes??), because it is illegal but it will not be punished in several cases.(Counsiling/Criminal Coffence). These are not just "execeptions", Because the behavoir of the mother and the abortionist is still a criminal offance itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 08:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And I forgot after three month of pregancy abortion is illegal in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 08:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I made a mistake it is not the BGB it is written in the Strafgesetzbuch (StgB)(Criminal Code) §218/§218a. Sorry! My statment can be proofed here:http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

To Eraserhead1: Thanks to Eraserhead1 for his friendly statement on my English. Are you able to change the colour?~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 09:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah the colour can be changed, I'll take a look over the next few days. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 18:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've coloured Germany green, is that correct? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Green is not correct. Abortion is still illegal in Germany! So orange would be more correct. Even it does not indicate the situation to 100%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.246.195 (talk) 15:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Per the above link abortion looks to be legal if it is performed before 12 weeks. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 17:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Germany should not be green, but light blue. Every woman who wants an abortion on demand in the first trimester gets one. Neither the woman nor the doctor can be charged with anything in that case. De jure it is illegal with no punishment, but that is an irrelevant technicality that noone really cares about except ivy tower lawyers with a severe disconnect from reality or dishonest pro-lifers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.95.223 (talk) 21:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not very gentle. And furthermore there are several real life cases in the last years, when people were not able to have a abortion or where doctors went into jail for illegal abortions.( For e.g. you can have a look in the online archieve of "Der Spiegel". This is not a joke) This is not a "ivy tower laywer" discussion. And even when: This map is to show legal situation in serval countries. This statement is therefore totally displaced and does not seem opend-minded for legal "reallity". I am not interessed on discussion for moral isusses at this place. This would not be very efficent to creat a good wikipedia entry. @Eraserhead1 German law is not simple you need to have a look at all § given in 218 etc. And you need to set them in a correct way (how important they) are. Abortion is and stays illegal in Germany, but it is possible not to get punished under certain circumstances (§218) in the first 12 weeks. (e.g. visit a conseilling/explain your own reasons/passing time)In several risk factors it is also allowed later. These abortions are partly controlled by medical files. But it is not allowed to have an abortion by the way. I just got an introduction to law at university. A professional lawyer could be a more helpful source.

There were surely no cases where people couldn't have an abortion in the first 12 weeks. Abortion on demand in the first 12 weeks is de facto legal, as is clearly pointed out in §218a. The woman mearly has to visit a counceling and wait for three days. She doesn't have to explain anything to anyone, noone can say "no" to her at any point. The colour of Germany in the map should be dark blue, at least it should be changed to a striped dark blue/light blue. Light blue would mean that you are punished for having or performing and abortion on demand (without rape, health risks or any other factors), which is not true for Germany! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.94.249.1 (talk) 13:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree. In the first trimester everyone can get an abortion on demand in Germany. Light blue gives the false impression that this is not possible, so dark blue should be chosen for Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.235.155.150 (talk) 14:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC) BTW: The UN agrees with me: http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/2007_Abortion_Policies_Chart/2007_WallChart.pdf

1) The de facto argument does not work in German Law everything is de jure. For e.g. millions of people are giving partly wrong informtions on the tax refund. It is illegal, but defacto it is not forced. But it is and stays still illegal und German Law and it is possible to punish it. 2) The UN Wall Chart is not a Source of the German Gouverment or a legal source in Germany. 3) Even pro- abortion sides like www.abtreibung.at confirm that abortion is illegal in Germany 4) One older example of illgeal abortion Process is the Meminger Process(1988) http://www.zeit.de/1988/39/Kein-Abtreiber (Source in German) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memminger_Prozess (German Wikipedia Entry) (Sorry like many Sources only in German; I just want to show that this statement is a fake and a really scientif discussion is wanted) In also now that de facto abortion is possible with some "extra work". But the legal reality is totally another. German and English law are not easy compatible. Perhaps the map should be taken out of Program, caused by different legal systems worldwide. A list with exact statement could be a better saloution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.1.63 (talk) 21:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC) 5) This i forgot http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen/vermischtes/frauenaerztin-angeklagt-zu-spaet-fuer-abtreibung-1.975104. It's about a German women, who was not able to abort her Child. (also in German, one of the biggest newspapers in Germany) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.1.63 (talk) 21:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC) http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,631869,00.html(This one is interessting: Abortion possible under the law. BUT no abortion done; based on the choise option of doctor and hospitals (Protected by another law); happens very often according to the article)(Spiegel; German; biggest weekly magazin)) Ps: These are also no legal sources, but the are based on real trial in Germany! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.10.1.63 (talk) 22:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

(1), (2) and (3) is about the old de-jure vs. de-facto question (4) That was before the new abortion law of 1995. Abortion on demand was illegal (and punished) back then. (5) The sz-article talks about a case were a woman couldn't get an abortion on demand because she wanted one after the 1st trimester. The Spiegel-article talks about a case were a woman wanted an abortion in week 34 because the baby suffered from ventriculomegaly and agenesis of the corpus callosum (both conditions seem not to be too terrible, but I'm not a doctor). The article also says that she probably could still have gotten an abortion in another German state, since doctors in bavaria are considered to be quite strict on these questions. I've never heared of a case were a woman is turned away in the first trimester, in a rape case or if there is a serious medical problem with the woman or the fetus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.94.249.1 (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Abortion is not magically legal in Germany just because no one has been prosecuted for a certain amount of time. People are only exempt from punishment if they meet certain criteria. The map is called Abortion Laws, isn't it? Hanhaiwen (talk) 10:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Austria
Abortion appears to be legal there: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/population/abortion/Austria.abo.htm
 * Actually it is illegal, but not subject to prosecution: http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.a/a048433.htm;internal&action=_setlanguage.action?LANGUAGE=en --Completefailure (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Map Colours
Isn't it a bit confusing that the two most extreme ends of the spectrum here are different shades of blue? It might be helpful to have a recoloured map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidtoyman (talk • contribs) 05:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

United States
In the US, abortion laws vary by state, therefore the US should be coloured black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.95.172.153 (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Source? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 18:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Confusing colors
I think the colors for "Legal for or illegal with exception for maternal life, health, mental health, rape, and/or fetal defects" and "Varies by region" are too close together. I suggest we introduce another easily discernible color like bright red and remove one of these colors. K. the Surveyor (talk) 07:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the better contrats, but when you do such a thing next time, make sure to not make the "legal" color, the new "illegal" color. Plus, as this image is used on MANY wikipedias, a lot of them didn't switched colors, which will confuse people. --UncivilFire (talk) 02:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)