File talk:Electron Rocket On Pad.jpg

Replaceable fair use
Similar non-free File:Electron Rocket on Liftoff.jpg deleted by on 23 February 2018. Relevant discussion about the other file can be found at File talk:Electron Rocket on Liftoff.jpg, WP:MCQ and User talk:UnknownM1. I'm not sure why another non-free image of the rocket was uploaded a few hours after deletion since the same issues which led to the first one's deletion also apply to this one as well. Assuming good faith here in that the uploader might has misread or misunderstood the reasons while the previous file was deleted; however, if similar non-free files of the rocket continued to be uploaded, then I believe things might be moving into WP:IDHT territory with respect to the uploader. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The difference I checked was that Wikipedia clearly allows screenshots of copyrighted media under fair use. As a screenshot of a launch livestream, it is not the same as a picture from Rocket Lab given to me by the media department. This picture is original to my computer as a unique screenshot of the launch, which falls under WP:NFCI Rule 5. I checked before uploading. I understand and agree with the previous deletion but this copyright is not the same and does not violate the rules for fair use. It also demonstrate a clear need in the article, as a picture of a rocket should go along with the rocket itself as it given context to the article. UnknownM1 (talk) 06:15, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Screenshots are still subject to all non-free content use criteria which again means that a free equivalent is still possible. The primary image in the infobox doesn't have to be a screenshot; it can be any photo showing the rocket which is sufficient for primary identification purposes. Again the rules for fair use and Wikipedia's non-free content use policy are similar, but not exactly the same. If someone was able to get close enough to the launch site to take File:Rocket Lab Launch Complex 1 (Sept 2016).jpg, then it seems that someone should be (have been) able to take a picture of this rocket as well. If the Rocket Lab's media department wants to release a photo of the rocket under a free license of their choosing, then that would be great and that can be used. Of course, they cannot be made to do so and the fact that they choose not to do so. doesn't mean they are granted any exceptions to NFCCP. They have no ownership right over the article content and while an images in articles can be helpful, non-free images are not used just because someone feels the article should have one. WP:NFCI is just a general guideline which provides examples of type of non-free use usually considered acceptable; it doesn't mean that every example given in acceptable in each and every case. WP:NFCC is policy and it still would apply regardless of the whether this is a screenshot, a media photo, or whatever. -- Marchjuly (talk)
 * I'm afraid that the rebuttal argument placed on the image description page as well as by that of fails to understand WP:NFCI #5. Respectfully, your interpretation of it is wrong. If the article where it was intended to be used were an article about the video you watched to grab this screenshot, then you would have a case. Indeed, the entire video would likely be copyrighted (you did not provide a direct link to the youtube video; this must be done) and a small segment of the video would pass our stringent WP:NFCC standards. However, this is not how the screenshot is being used. It is being used to depict the rocket, not the video. Therefore, WP:NFCI #5 has no application here. For the proximate guideline, see WP:NFC #3. Look, I'm quite sorry but the reality is we are not going to accept a non-free image of any kind, any source, or from any uploader here of this rocket. They are intending on launching hundreds of these things. We're simply not going to accept a non-free image of it because such an image is completely replaceable and an abject failure of WP:NFCC #1. I strongly, adamantly encourage any person wanting to upload an image of this rocket to get the company to release an image under a free license or to go an get and photograph one themselves. Until such time, these debates are moot; we will not accept non-free content for this. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 20:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)