File talk:Miskati kozbelep by Rusz.jpg

Replacement of original image
I've tried to upload a smaller version of the image over the existing one, because it's quite possible the fair use rationale is invalid for such detailed images. Can someone look into this? Dahn (talk) 14:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not happy with the replacement. This new image does not show the page composition (an important aspect of comics art) and even more the panel's borderlines are cut off. The original 1000 pixel wide image for a whole page is far from print quality. I do not see, why the image does not fit into fair use. Zoli79 (talk) 21:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Because, as far as I could determine from all existing fairly used image that are not likely to be deleted sooner or later, the only way a comic book reproduction can survive if it's in low resolution (so as not to be reproduced commercially from its wikipedia source) and shows a short sequence of the story. The same can be said about all images used in Hungarian comics, but there was a special reason I took an interest in this one. Sorry, but that's the cold standard. Dahn (talk) 21:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw, Zoli: how does one translate Miskati közbelép? Dahn (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, thanks for the Livia Rusz article! Nice work.
 * As for cold standards: can I read about these some more? What does low resolution mean in numbers (ppi)? As far as I know a French album sized page cannot be reproduced commercially from a 1000 pixel wide image. Short sequence: the whole comic book is 44 pages. 1 page is a short sequence in my standards. One single panel is not a sequence.
 * Is there any way the author can permit this uploaded image? (I know her personally, but I would only like to resort to this option as a very last option.)
 * I understand that one panel looks better on an info box (Livia Rusz article), but I originally uploaded the image for educational purposes (Hungarian Comcs article).
 * Edit conflict P.S. Miskati is a coined name from Misi (nick name of Michael) and Kati (Cathy, Kathy or nick name of Katalin) közbelép is intervenes, so I guess: Michathy intervenes... :) Zoli79 (talk) 21:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm answering paragraph per paragraph, in the order of your post:
 * Thank you. It's like the meeting on the Elbe with your Hungarian comics :).
 * Well, I don't have that much experience with uploading fair use images, but I wanted to lean on the side of caution. I've seen such images getting bluntly deleted too many times in the past. Now, f you feel that you can justify the original image, just paste it back over my version.
 * Wow, really? You might actually consider doing that, as it could clear all this fair use mess in one go - Wikimedia commons should have a couple of copyright licenses made for authors who agree to releasing some of their material on wikipedia and solely on wikipedia. Note however that the way to go about that is to attest to this fact by sending an e-mail with wikimedia for them to store as their proof that the image can be used and how (I've never done that myself, so don't really know how it works, but Commons:OTRS provides some detail). I suggest you also contact an administrator here or on Commons for more and more clever advice - after all, I'm just a "pawn" when it comes to these matters.
 * So I presume, since Miskati is idiomatic, it would be best to translate it as Miskati Intervenes? I'm asking this because, in the Rusz article, I've provided alternate translations for all the titles except that one - obviously, because the other titles are in Romanian. Dahn (talk) 22:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll read through the recommended pages, and find out the right solution. Until than I guess everything can remain as it is now. I also have some remarks/thoughts considering the Lívia Rusz article, but we can talk them over at its own discussion page. Zoli79 (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. Dahn (talk) 20:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I read through the recommended articles and some more. If I understand correctly from Commons:Licensing, than the acceptable licenses on Wikimedia Commons must allow commercial use, free use on other webpages, etc. These are conditions I would never ask from an artist. So, I think I will stick to fair use. But, if you have a better idea, let me know. Zoli79 (talk) 18:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. I did not notice that part. You're right, it's not something to ask from an artist. But, just so I understand: would you say the same for the photo of Rusz? Dahn (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I think the photo could fit into Commons. But, do you think it would be worth it, if the image is not the best? Zoli79 (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's really about what you think. I would tend to say that, between fair use and available, the latter is always preferable, but only in that scenario and if we have to have one. Otherwise, the article works well with or without a picture. Dahn (talk) 19:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)