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Nontheism can include deists and pantheists - so non-theism is partially inside the red circle. Agnosticism, by every def, is an explicit position - so it cannot include infants (who make no claim). Agnosticism is not always considered to be about proof - as some people claim to have other sources of knowledge of things besides having proofs (actually, we all do - I know what I had for breakfast yesterday, but cannot prove it). Agnosticism is thus NOT distinguished by claims of proof, but by claims that we cannot know X vs claims we can know X. Then there's the (less problematic) problem of whether the blue & the black sections can meaningfully be said to be populated. Primarily though, it is very unclear what it's got to do with non-theism.--JimWae (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Well actually you can prove you had breakfast yesterday if you really felt like it by looking at your poop, you can also assume you had breakfast from the memory of having breakfast and if you want to prove it even more you can retrace your steps and say oh a apple is now missing so the most logical explanation is that I ate it because half of it is in the trash now with bite marks.But that is not really my point. My point is to assume something without looking at the proof is not agnostic or gnostic. To believe there is proof is gnostic and to believe you can not prove or disprove is agnostic. Ex you believing you can not prove or disprove you ate lunch is a agnostic, me believing there is proof you did is gnostic. If someone believed firmly there is proof you did not eat lunch that is also gnostic. Faith is something different, it is believing in something whether or not there is proof. You may have faith that you had lunch regardless of evidence supporting or negating your claim, even if there is no evidence for ether you can still have faith. Ex I have do not have faith in my claim that you ate lunch for if there is evidence otherwise i will change my opinion whereas you have faith that you had breakfast yesterday regardless if you have evidence.