File talk:Timeline of web browsers.svg/Archive 1

Kunnen die belachelijke svg/png plaatjes vervangen worden door LEESBARE? Bedankt! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.5.22 (talk) 02:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Some browsers you could add
Also show MYIE2 was renamed to Maxton, Safari v3, and Safari Windows Edition and Hot Java Broswer http://java.sun.com/products/archive/hotjava/index.html AbsoluteMSTR 05:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It should really be more like this: MyIE 3.2 code released for free, from which later MyIE2/Maxthon, iTreeSurf and Greenbrowser (which GPLized it) forked from. Possibly also AM/Crazy, Slim, Avant browser and Sleipnir and many others that look just like MyIE.


 * Thanks for the suggestions! I'm still thinking about how best to display name changes (also for Firefox and some others), but yes, that probably should be mentioned. Safari 3 will be added once it's out of beta (all version points are the final versions, unless the browser never went out of beta), and Safari for Windows is basically the same as Safari for Mac. If I were to add Safari/Windows I might as well add Firefox/Mac, Opera/Linux, etc, which I feel would unnecessarily clutter up the diagram. IE/Mac is an exception since it used a rewritten rendering engine later on. HotJava, however, should be added, and will be in the next version. --ADeveria 12:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Another browser that could be added is Opera Mobile. Would you consider Opera/Wii to be just like Opera/Linux Opera/Mac or Opera/Windows, or should it be forked off from Opera 9.5? -- Ice Ardor 23:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good question, and one I'd been thinking about myself before. The main reasons I decided to add Opera Mini were:
 * It's started appearing in market share logs
 * To many, it's more popular than the desktop version
 * It has a separate versioning system from the desktop version
 * It has its own wikipedia page
 * The third and fourth points apply to the other types of Opera too, but I feared adding them would lead to a slippery slope, possibly requiring me to add the Nintendo DS Opera, and that of other devices. Which would then require me to add Safari for the iPhone, and who knows what else. Of course, this is just my opinion. --ADeveria 12:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, your reason makes total sense. There are some small browser projects like uBrowser (gecko-based 3D browsing) that is essentially unheard of. Your timeline doesn't aim to be an exhaustive list of all web browsers in existance, just the ones popular enough to have more than 1,000 or so users. Therefore, the browser projects on sourceforge (and the many many Firefox offshoots) need not be included on this timeline unless they have a dedicated development team and company, with a sizable userbase. -- Ice Ardor 07:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * remember that Opera Mini != Opera Mobile. Calling Opera Mini a browser is a bit of a stretch since all the rendering really happens on Opera servers. Opera Mobile OTH uses the very same rendering engine as Opera on all other platforms (and Adobe Dreamweaver)

Opera Mini 4 was released today, November 7, 2007. --User:Ice Ardor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.125.136 (talk) 17:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Timeline with Minor Versions as well as Major Versions
I was thinking that it would be neat to plot minor versions as well as major versions in a scalable vector image. I have a list of all of the public Opera builds. This should be made into a new image to avoid clutter. Do you think that would be a good idea, or would it just make the timeline cluttered, unreadable, and not show its sole purpose, which is branching? -- Ice Ardor 23:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's a great idea, but for a separate image for the Opera (Internet suite) article. Like you said, it'd probably cause too much clutter, etc. for this image. I'd actually thought about doing more detailed timelines for other browsers (for their respective pages), so I'd suggest doing so with your image. --ADeveria 12:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if you'd like to try your hand at SVG yourself...I didn't use any external editor for this, I just used Opera to preview and a text editor. Just view the file's source and you'll see how it's been put together. If you know some HTML, just think of it as similar to that. --ADeveria 12:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's really simple! Wow! I figured I'd need a program like Inkscape to make that image. The code is really beautiful. I'll see if I have time to make an Opera timeline. --Ice Ardor 07:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I made the image I have been wanting to make... It's not quite done yet, but your image was a great help to putting mine together. If you want to have a look at it, it's right here: . It's not ready to be put onto Wikipedia yet--people will just delete the image. If you have suggestions, leave them in my userpage, I guess. I don't know how to rotate text. Currently, the build numbers are running over each other. rotate="90" isn't the effect that I want. -Ice Ardor 02:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Flock 1.0 is out -- AbsoluteMSTR 05:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Different Rendering Engine
Nice to see you added gecko and khtml. Now add Trident Engine for IE based and Presto for Opera. Keep up the good work AbsoluteMSTR 18:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't add much value to the timeline by added in Presto, since there are no forks or rendering engine ports of Presto to any other browser. Because the line for Opera Mini is the same color as the line for Opera, it implies the same rendering engine. All of the Trident browsers are in blue (because Avant, Maxthon, and AOL Browser all feature blue as their main logo color, coincidentally), but it wouldn't hurt to include a trident tree in this timeline. --Ice Ardor 07:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I'll probably add Trident, but agree that Presto's probably unnecessary. Also, Opera's engine used to be called "Elektra" before that...so I'd technically have to mention that as well. So nah, not worth the complexity in this graph.
 * How will Netscape Browser 8's rendering engine tree be drawn, since it supports both Gecko and Trident? --Ice Ardor 23:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Any chance of somehow incorporating the fact that many browser( or browser shells) are capable of using 2 different rendering engine at the same time, Like Maxthon (1.x), Avant/Orca, Networker, Scope and ofcourse Netscape. Wouldn't count IE Tab.
 * In my latest version (not uploaded yet), I have the IE shells detached from the IE line, instead they're sitting inside the "Trident" area. This area overlaps the Netcape 8 point, and the overlapped area could also be used for other browsers that use both (let's hope it won't need to get much more complicated than this in the future!). Sound good? --ADeveria 11:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Corrections
Version 2.4 of AMosaic/IBrowse needs to be changed to subversion. &lt;g id="amosaic&gt; ...		2.4  (I couldn't figure out how to overwrite the existing file with this correction, so I posted this correction here) --Ice Ardor 01:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for spotting that! You can update a new version by first signing up and logging into Wikimedia Commons, that will create a "Upload a new version of this file" link on the image page at the bottom. Took me a while to find out too. --ADeveria 11:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Please add lynx (I bet, all of *links-es were derived from it, so it is even much more important than them) and uBrowser (ubrowser.com) as probably the first browser capable of render the pages in 3D (truly useless but popular trend nowadays, and I even heard some new browsers are appearing now and claiming to be the "first one 3D browser" while uBrowser is older). Honeyman 11:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Lynx is already in there, it's all the way at the top. I'll consider uBrowser, though there's quite a few Gecko-based browsers there already...also it doesn't yet have a Wikipedia article, which doesn't help its notability. --ADeveria 16:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Galeon's link isn't correct. It should be changed from Galeon (Web browser) to Galeon --Gyzome (talk) 17:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Add arrows...
So it is easier to see what is based on what. For example, is Safari partially based on OmniWeb, is it the other way around or are they both based on each other? Same problem with Firefox/Netscape 8. Alternatively use diagonal lines. You must also add VMS Mosaic. Helpsloose 00:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added some arrows on lines that aren't too clear. Not sure VMS Mosaic is really worth mentioning, though. ADeveria (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

NetSurf
NetSurf has its own layout engine.


 * Started: 22 April 2002
 * Version 1.0 release: 19 May 2007
 * Version 1.1 release: 13 Aug 2007
 * Version 1.2 release: 22 Mar 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.173.59 (talk) 18:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Source for "Started" date: http://source.netsurf-browser.org/?view=rev&revision=2
 * Version 1.0 was 17th May 2007, not 19th.
 * Source for all release dates: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/
 * Tlsa (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Add Chrome & IE8
Someone should add the Google Chrome browser and the Internet Explorer 8 browser --88.176.240.224 (talk) 09:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * both aren't released as a stable gamma... so they needn't mentioned here!  mabdul 0=* 17:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added Google Chrome, considering it's the first version and due to its significance in the browser market. Also, some browsers are perpetually in "beta", so occasionally I give some leeway to that. But yeah, I won't add IE 8 until it's final. --ADeveria (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * IE 8 is now final (as many might know) and can now be added to the chart. --Opt05 (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Added IE8 caesarsgrunt (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Netscape and Mosaic
The Mosaic Netscape browser shared no source code with the NSCA Mosaic browser, so I think the vertical line connecting the "1" of "Mosaic Netscape / Netscape Navigator" to the "Mosaic" line above should be removed. Internet Explorer did share source with NSCA Mosaic, however.

(I'd just submit the change myself but I don't know how to edit SVG files...)

Jwz (talk) 03:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They did according to the Netscape article: "The Mosaic Netscape web browser utilized some NCSA Mosaic code with NCSA's permission, as noted in the application's "About" dialog box" --ADeveria (talk) 13:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

adding...
Why not adding opera mobile and the "presto layout engine" as backcolor?  mabdul 0=* 19:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not worth it; It's only one branch and is already clear. caesarsgrunt (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Netscape and layout-Engine
shouldn't we change the ns-layout engine above 5+? I mean: it was a totally rewrite and have nothing to do with mosaic any more (and so ff or other gecko browsers...)?  mabdul 08:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Full View
with correct width="2270px" height="1780px" in the header there would be scrollbars in full view, and with white background  (at the bottom of the code) it would even be readable ;-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.173.181 (talk) 05:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Google likes it
http://www.whatbrowser.org/more. Rocket000 (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Google likes it because Chromium ( yes, the open source browser project wich was developed without google before Google chrome is not on the page and it seems to give the marketing point to google... ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.60.183 (talk) 04:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

UdiWWW
Can somebody add UdiWWW the first win browser? The browser was a few days abgo in the DYK on the front page!  mabdul 19:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC) ✅ by me  mabdul 21:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Arena
I found "nearly" all release dates of arena. can somebody integrate them?  mabdul 12:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC) ✅ by me  mabdul 21:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Chrome 4.1
could someone add Chrome 4.1 which was a major update? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betatester wiki (talk • contribs) 16:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The End of the Road for Netscape
Netscape will stop support for their browser on Feb 1 2008, and no product updates, bug fixes, or security patches will be released after that date. I've added an end of the line marker for Netscape. Here's the announcement from Netscape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice Ardor (talk • contribs) 19:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have found somemore releasedates for netscape: Netscape Communicator 4.6 (May 1999) and Netscape Communicator 4.7 (September 1999). Maybe we should add them, because they were mayor changes. source

✅ I added 4.6 and 4.7. Now Netscape is really dead :p  mabdul 18:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Where is Chrome?
Can't find Google Chrome in this picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.126.86.154 (talk) 17:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * then search better: it is in "the middle" and relative at the end (startingyear 2008!) --> green background.  mabdul 19:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

W3M revived
Please include the latest version of W3M, from January 2011. Leandro GFC Dutra (talk) 15:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

✅ I made the changes and update the release version template on the w3m article.  mabdul 18:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Make an version
Can someone make a diagram version of this image for Template:Web browsers. Similar to the way how Template:Human development uses the image File:Child development stages.svg by subpaging under the diagram Template:Child development diagram. Thanks. --118.160.40.54 (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * For what? This image is so big and with so much information, you won't be able to read anything nor you can't see anything. The human development is at the borderline of the legibility... I can't read anything of the preview at this page: File:Timeline_of_web_browsers.svg even if I use the svg I only be able to see the full image with - at least- zooming out to 40% although my screen is full-hd and extra wide...  mabdul 17:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

IE for Unix
✅ Could someone add a piece for Internet Explorer for Unix? It began with IE4 on November 5, 1997. Support was discontinued in 2002, with the last version being IE5 SP1 in 2001.

Also, is there some documentation as to how to add branches to this svg?Smallman12q (talk) 00:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * mmh, I didn't find anything in the sourcecode about a howto - add - branches; but I will add the unix version.  mabdul 16:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Adding branches takes some time, but it's not that difficult. I will include something about it in a next revision. IE for Unix has been added, but the release dates could use improvement. -- Sander (talk) 10:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I marked this as resolved since it is now included... <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"> mabdul 12:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

rekonq
✅ Please include rekonq ( since it is the default web browser in Kubuntu 10.10 and Chakra GNU/Linux ) .--Leovilok (talk) 11:12, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any references with releasedates/versions (major versions)? If so, I will add rekonq. <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"> mabdul 12:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find the releasedates/versions here and the changelogs (for major versions) here. --Leovilok (talk) 10:15, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As you can see it is already included. I will add the new 0.7 build in a few minutes. <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"> mabdul 12:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

colors
Would that cause any problem as mozila and seamonkey use same colour? C933103 (talk) 17:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * this is wanted! seamonkey is the reactivated name of the mozilla suite. please read both articles to understand what history is behind. <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"> mabdul 19:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)