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Why was the map reverted? Kosovo declared independence, they're recognized by a significant number of leading powers, and they're not a UN member. If no one gives a good reason for keeping the old map, I'm putting the new one with a gray Kosovo back. Lothar76 (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I get it, Obradovic Goran doesn't like the new map because he's opposed to Kosovo independence. You know, I'm sure some British people are opposed to the independence of the U.S., but that doesn't mean that the U.S. isn't an independent country.  Indonesia would probably like to have East Timor back too.  Same with Kosovo; it has its own government, flag, and international recognition.  You know, I really don't care who "wins" in this in the world stage.  I don't live in Kosovo, or Europe for that matter, and if Kosovo decides to, I don't know, merge with Albania or go back to Serbia, I really don't care.  But Kosovo is for all intents and purposes independent but without U.N. recognition because Russia has some problem with it and the veto power to back it up.  Sorry if it offends whatever sensibilities you have, but please stop reverting the map back.  The change happened, and keeping the old one up isn't helping anyone with getting closer to reality. Lothar76 (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The map is shaded according to the UN. Therefore, nations unrecognized by the UN (e.g. Taiwan, Kosovo) are still shaded because the UN still considers (or at least has not passed a resolution saying otherwise) that they are part of some UN member nation. Chanheigeorge (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. What the map reverted again? I just had a look and Kosovo seem to be shaded in blue (it should be grey, right?). To make it simple, UN does not recognize stages where its sovereignty is being disputed (check the UN article). Until Kosovo have its own seat in the UN, they shouldn't be listed on this map. --Pinnecco (talk) 10:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong - as explained by Chanheigeorge. UN does not recognize the existence of Kosovo (yet). This means that Kosovo for the UN does not exist. Although probably with time it will, the independence of Kosovo is still in dispute, so the country shouldn't be shaded grey but considered only as part of a member state (Republic of Serbia). The same with Taiwan: the island is not recognised as an independent country by the UN. Actually, it is the opposite: by some commentators the UN has accepted that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China when Chiang Kai-Shek retired from the Security Council AND the UN itself, when the the Communist, continental China was admitted in 1971. Although this argument may be invalid, still the map is right in showing Taiwan as part of China in the UN, and Kosovo as part of Serbia. Billy Pilgrim (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)