File talk:Versions of the Doctor.jpg

Initial issues
David Tennant's the only one who's smiling. Bless. Skittle 23:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

hartnell, troughton and colin baker all look like they're smiling to me...

One Doctor is missing!!! --69.37.39.147 03:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh noes!!! Maybe he's hiding under the Fourth Doctor's shawl!
 * That aside, there's no Doctor missing. The Shalka Doctor isn't in there, and neither are the various Doctors from Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, but those Doctors are either probably not in canon (Shalka) or definitely not in canon (Fatal Death). Those mugs are the ten Doctors as labelled by the writers. 82.92.119.11 20:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

What about Peter Cushing in DR WHO and the Daleks and also Dalek's invasion Earth 2150AD? If you are going to include Paul Mcgann you should at least mention Peter Cushing, shouldn't you? --Tec54 (talk) 04:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Paul Mcgann is the 8th doctor in the series cannon, even though he only appeared in the tv movie. Peter Cushing was potraying the first doctor in a couple of movies which were remakes of the first few serials he's not cannon.92.3.192.152 (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Can we get a better picture of the Fifth Doctor? This one is really grainy. -Jonathan D. Parshall 09:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Can we get a more recent picture of the Tenth Doctor? The one we currently have is a bit old. -Ricksal0224 (talk) 22:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

BBC's use of this image
It may be of interest to note that in the Journal of Impossible Things, a prop created for the episode Human Nature, there is a page showing images of all the Doctors, and the images appear to have been derived from this Wikipedia collage. You can see a screencap of the relevant page (derived from a Flash file on the BBC website) here. I don't think that there is any Wikipedia page on which this can be noted (barring official confirmation, it's original research), but I think the similarities are clear enough. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Specific sources
In light of the deletion of the image formerly at Companion (Doctor Who), it would behoove us to find specific sources for the Doctor images in this collage. Let's try to find specific sources for these ten images, so this doesn't get deleted too. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I will reiterate the above – we need a source (URL if possible, if it's a screencap, which episode, etc.) for each of the images, as this is effectively (now) 11 NFC uses, so this is a requirement. --M ASEM  23:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If yesterday's confidential is anything to go by, I think the shot of the Second Doctor is from The Three Doctors. I believe the First Doctor picture was previously on his article, but I can't find it on its own now. It does seem weird that the pictures in the collage aren't the ones in the Doctor articles, especially as they are (mostly) better representations. U-Mos (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eleven
I've added Matt Smith to this picture. The picture quality has dropped quite a bit due to the lack of any good editing software on my PC, so maybe it should be done again. But he's there at any rate. U-Mos (talk) 23:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a go tomorrow using the original collage. In the mean time, I'll remove all the vandalised and duplicate versions from the history. — Edokter  •  Talk  • 00:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've redone it without the quality dip, and am going to re-upload it. There was no need to revert it before, as it is a totally uncontraversial change and so there is no need to obtain a formal consensus, and it doesn't change the fair use situation (which isn't perfect as noted above). U-Mos (talk) 14:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have furthered my comments above at Talk:Doctor (Doctor Who), in a discussion I was not aware was ongoing when I last uploaded this picture. U-Mos (talk) 14:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Better version?
I prefer the version over at the Doctor Who wiki:. The 4-3-4 arrangement looks more balanced (and less "oh shoot, we have an incomplete row..."), and the cropping of the Eleventh Doctor's image is more proportionate to the others. Does anyone object to this image being replaced with that one? Would it create any new fair use issues? --Icarus (Hi!) 03:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I promised to redo the image, and I soon will. Best not to use the Wikia version as dimensions don't match (and it's a derivative form the original image). — Edokter  •  Talk  • 23:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Replacement of the old image
The older image of the 11 Doctors lacks sources for the Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Ninth Doctors and the quality is atrocious on some of the pictures like the Fifth. And we have quite a few official images of the Eleventh Doctor, those images should have priority over a set photo. Since technically a set photo of Matt Smith isn't a picture of the Eleventh Doctor. Currently I have my modified image in place of the old one since there are actual sources for the individual images. But I propose another new image of the Eleven Doctors with the best quality as possible and sources for each of the individual images. Hai Tien (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Looking at both images and the issues brought up:
 * File:Versions of the Doctor.jpg (the file was renamed for clarity issues) did lack sourcing for the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th Doctors. However, since a source for the 6th was provided for the same image in File:Versions of the Doctor alt.jpg (also renamed for clarity) that dropped the "missing" down to 4. And a similar source was found for the 7th Doctor.
 * At the same time Versions of the Doctor alt.jpg was missing a source for the 5th, 7th, and 9th Doctors. Since the 7th is again shared, that make it effectively short 2 sources. This does bring up a massive concern though – if one of the primary intents of the revised image was to provide 11 sources (a good idea), then sources for all of the 4 retained image should have been found, as was done with the 6th, or they should have been changed, as was done with the 5th. The half measure makes both image equally invalid on this point.
 * Because of the nature of the image, the quality of the sub-images is going to be low. Face it, a 124 x 198px image isn't going to be great, and it's worse when displayed since they are ~40% of that size.
 * As the image currently stands, there is an attempt to follow a consistent style – looking at or facing the camera, head & shoulders, without effects, in color. Some – 1st, 7th, and 8th – art "best fits" based on what is available. But the 9th really should be replaced. And the proposed replacements for the 10th (harsh lighting) and 11th (lighting and effects overlay) don't fit.
 * While the "It's an actor in costume at the reading" may be a fair criticism of the 11th, the same can be said of the other 10 images – they are all actors in costume on set. That being said, a better, currently on Wiki, and sourced image for the 11th may be File:11th Doctor.jpg. At least until there is a like image to cull from an episode.
 * Last thing... IIUC, Versions of the Doctor.jpg was set up to be the default and evolve as need be, not be replaced. That's part of the reasoning behind the name change. If/when there is a consensus to change one or more of the component image, or with the next regeneration, the change should be to the base file, not a new one put up in it's place. And ideally, this type of discussion should be done on the file's talk page with pointers left on the 2 article and main project talk pages.
 * - J Greb (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Copied from Talk:Doctor (Doctor Who) – J Greb (talk) 14:32, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the April 3 change...

As pointed out in the above post, given the nature of this image a discussion and a consensus should happen before swapping out 1 or more of the components. Can we please have that? - J Greb (talk) 14:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding the 11th – we still have File:11th Doctor.jpg from which a good, non-fixed image can be take,
 * As for the 5th... There are 4 other images available at the BBC's gallery that seem to work better.
 * And that still leaves issues with the 4th and 9th.

Update the image soon?
There are now plenty of better images available for the Eleventh in the gallery section at the official BBC Doctor Who website. The Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth are all in need of replacement images and better alternatives exist as well for the Fifth and Ninth. For better replacements for the Ninth see the "old" BBC Doctor Who website. All that's left is the Fourth. 71.53.169.73 (talk) 04:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Looking at the 4...
 * 11th: The BBC's gallery currently doesn't have anything that is consistent with the other image.
 * 9th: The old site – under "Wallpapers" – does have a few that would fit:
 * wallpaper&summary=In The Big Brother house.&info=&tag_file_id=s1_12_wal_01
 * wallpaper&summary=Listening Intently.&info=&tag_file_id=s1_07_wal_14
 * wallpaper&summary=Looking concerned.&info=&tag_file_id=s1_07_wal_02
 * wallpaper&summary=High rise hero.&info=&tag_file_id=s1_04_wal_04
 * 5th: The BBC gallery for him does have some good ones:
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 * 4th... the BBC gallery is just slihtly better than the 11th... and just as much usable.
 * Personally I like the first and last under the 9th and the second under the 5th. We may be waiting for decent screen grabs of the 4th and 11th though.
 * - J Greb (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This image at TARDIS Index File uses some good substitutes for the 5th, 9th, and 11th. --71.53.169.73 (talk) 00:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The 9th looks like the first one I pulled from the BBC wallpaper set so it's sourceable.
 * The 5th is from the same gallery as the the 3 I pointed to. Though I think it would be better not to have shadows.
 * As for the 11th... I'm not sure the over bright lighting fits. And it would need to be source – and the TARDIS Wiki won't cut it for that.
 * - J Greb (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The Eleventh is from the official Doctor Who website, they have a gallery section now with episode stills. The picture in question is here. --71.53.169.73 (talk) 02:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

John Hurt
In the description of the image, it states that John Hurt is the twelfth doctor, however this has not been confirmed. -Musickton. (talk) 04:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, this has been changed. -Musickton (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Capaldi?
Should we add Peter Capaldi to this image? There is apparently already an official image of him on the BBC's website. SwimFellow (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We need an image in character, or at least in costume. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 16:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I emailed the BBC about the only legal image we have of him being not the best. They may respond or may not. I also emailed his agent.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I heard back about getting a free license image of the 12th actor/doctor. We may wish to wait until/if it arrives. I don't think anyone would mind if you did it on your own before hand though. GIMP is a good program if you haven't got one now. It will need a crop of height mainly and possibly the sides a little. Don't use our fair use image that has been cropped. This one may work better even though it is a different shot. It will look better after scaling because it is higher rez. I am also going to add a link to the delete old versions template after we update. I always have trouble finding it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/fanabouttown/9482421899/ This image looks like it is in character. Should I crop/reduce and add it?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Eleventh Doctor Image
How about we update the Eleventh Doctor Image with File:Eleventhdoctornew.jpg its a good picture and shows Matt Smith in the Eleventh Doctor's costume much better than the current image thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Eight
Can we please get a better version of McGann? That picture is awful and has nothing to do with the show whatsoever. Panda815 (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that the movie is "canon" and that's off the BBC's own website, I see nothing wrong with it. There's little from the webshort that really is useful given how dark that was. --M asem (t) 17:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

The picture looks like either like a painting or a cartoon of which neither exists. Notice how all twelve other pictures look like they are straight out of an episode or at least existing content! Panda815 (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We have no "episode" of the Eighth. We have a movie which was on different filmstock, so its going to come out looking differently. The webisode would be the same as the normal episodes but again, its dark throughout and gives no good shots. --M asem (t) 18:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

That is very true but said picture is not from the movie. Something like: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Eighth_Doctor?file=Eight.jpg might do. Panda815 (talk) 18:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, it's not from the movie? It's directly taken from here, a gallery of the movie. The picture is sufficient. -- / Alex /21  00:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

New image needed
Please update the photo to include Ncuti Gatwa. --Popculturelover2021 (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * He hasn't appeared in costume yet. DonQuixote (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * maybe we can have a screenshot from the reveal video on youtube for now until his first episode airs. Popculturelover2021 (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggested Update to add 14th and 15th Doctors
As there will be a full 12 months without any airings of Doctor Who, I think this page is best served using the promotional materials put out by the BBC to keep this image up to date with the 2023 and beyond scheduled Doctor Who episodes. This means adding David Tennant as the 14th Doctor and Ncuti Gatwa as the 15th Doctor (confirmed via this doctorwho.tv article: )

I've updated the collage using the image sources. However, the images for the 9th and 10th Doctor appear to be missing from the source, so I used similar images found on those source pages instead. The 8th Doctor image is fairly low quality, but given the illustrative purpose of this image, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

I do not have the ability to directly add an image so I have provided the image through an external host:

Apologies if there is a preferred way for making these suggestions — I was unable to find anything in particular. EVB8483 (talk) 00:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Suggested change to description:
 * Photoshopped collage of BBC promotional images from Doctor Who.
 * Top
 * William Hartnell (First Doctor)
 * Patrick Troughton (Second Doctor)
 * Jon Pertwee (Third Doctor)
 * Tom Baker (Fourth Doctor)
 * Peter Davison (Fifth Doctor)
 * Middle
 * Colin Baker (Sixth Doctor)
 * Sylvester McCoy (Seventh Doctor)
 * Paul McGann (Eighth Doctor)
 * Christopher Eccleston (Ninth Doctor)
 * David Tennant (Tenth Doctor)
 * Bottom
 * Matt Smith (Eleventh Doctor)
 * Peter Capaldi (Twelfth Doctor)
 * Jodie Whittaker (Thirteenth Doctor)
 * David Tennant (Fourteenth Doctor)
 * Ncuti Gatwa (Fifteenth Doctor)
 * All images are BBC promotional photographs, and are copyright © to the BBC. EVB8483 (talk) 00:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources for the images added:
 * 14th Doctor — DoctorWho.tv:
 * 15th Doctor — Official Doctor Who Facebook page EVB8483 (talk) 00:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Are we sure having Tennant appear twice is a good idea? I know that he's the official 14th Doctor but he's only appearing in specials, not a series and, y'know, he's already there. I think the same logic for not including John Hurt's Doctor applies to Tennant2 as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.58.170 (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)