Help:Books/Feedback/Archives/2009/December

Template Anime and manga appear repeatedly
Template Anime and manga appears repeatedly in User:Extremepro/Books/Anime and Manga. Anyway to remove it? Or if it has to be there, make it integrated into the text? Extremepro (talk) 13:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, simply add Category:Exclude in print to the template (such as I did here). See also Help:Books/for experts. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 00:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Random gaps
There are random gaps in Books/Anime and Manga for the List of Tokyo Mew Mew chapters. The gaps are not rendered in Wikipedia pages but are shown in the PDF. Extremepro (talk) 09:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a bug. I've filed a ticket. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Image caption shows up as ref templates
Image caption shows up as ref templates in Belldandy in Books/Anime and Manga. Doesn't show up like that in the article tho. Extremepro (talk) 09:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure this is a bug, I've filed a ticket. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 16:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Separate namespace
Should we consider splitting Books into its own namespace, so that we'd have, for example, Book:University of Waterloo instead of Books/University of Waterloo? I think this is a cleaner way to implement this feature. This would require quite a few changes (Mediawiki custom namespace config, templates, moving book pages etc.) so if it's a desirable feature, we should do it while there are still relatively few books that would need modification. Mind matrix  17:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, I like that idea very much, and I think that's how it should have been made in the first place. We could start a thread at the WP:VP. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Proposed at Village pump proposals. Mind  matrix  17:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible sections shown as floating boxes
Collapsible sections, such as publisher_other and network_other in Infobox animanga/Anime and Infobox animanga/Print are shown as floating boxes. This is seen repeatedly in Books/Anime and Manga. It also causes words to wrap around in the Infobox even if there is space. Extremepro (talk) 09:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well first publisher_other is not a parameter in the first infobox, so that's should be fixed in the articles or in the infoboxes. Although it shouldn't cause a problem. I'm investigating. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Also Infobox animanga/Print's location doesn't make much sense. The /Print means that whenever Infobox animanga is transcluded (directly or through another template), that the /Print page is used instead. Is Infobox animanga/Anime/Print meant (this way, it overides Infobox animanga/Anime? Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Also do you have a specific article for example, that book is 1000+pages long and it's very long to browse. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 16:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Its a recurring problem: Azumanga Daioh, Earl Cain, Free Collars Kingdom, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hibiki's Magic, Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl, Lupin III, Sailor Moon, School Rumble, Speed Grapher, Strawberry Panic!, Tenjho Tenge, Yotsuba&!. Extremepro (talk) 08:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I see. This is probably related to the problem below. I would suggest approaching the Infobox animanga maintainers and ask them for help (perhaps setting width=100%, if that's possible, would help). In the meantime I'll toy with collapsible tables and see if I can find a fix, or narrow down the problem. I'll update you ass soon as I have new info. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I did toy with the fix I had in mind and it didn't work. Looks like there's a problem with the software. I'll file a ticket. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 22:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Box within Infobox
PDF rendering of Dennō Senshi Porygon produces Episode chronology and everything under it as a mini box in the infobox in Books/Anime and Manga. Extremepro (talk) 09:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That is the correct rendering of the template. You should modify the Infobox Television episode template if you want to fix this. Right now this section is a "table in a table", and thus rendered as such. Leave a message on the Infobox Television episode talk page, and link to this discussion, and they probably will be able to help you faster than I could on this issue. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 16:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not going to be fixed in the infobox code (it's the only way to achieve the desired rendering): this will be common to a great deal of infoboxes which use a "chronology" section, such as infobox album. if the display is sub-optimal after PDF conversion then that's an issue with the conversion I'm afraid. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Access to tex sourcecode
Hi, is there a way to access the tex sourcecode used to render the books? Being able to edit it would help users fine tune their books AndrewMcArdle2 (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you mean exactly... The way books work is that they retrieve individual articles, and then arranges them in the way you specified at the "Wikipedia:Books/..." page. For example Books/Hadronic Matter's source text is all the articles you see in the book. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Here it states:


 * "PediaPress uses the TeX typesetting system to generate a digital prepress repro."


 * Access to the TeX source code would allow users to render their own books, which would be useful. AndrewMcArdle2 (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Andrew. It would be very useful to have the TeX available, because then we could use a tex editor to enhance the pdfs (just like we already can do with Open Office when the text has no math formulas). Helder (talk) 17:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the replies from the devs (IRC channel #pediapress, on irc.freenode.net).
 * "[11:59] Headbomb: The answer is no and it would be of no use as we generate the TeX source programaticaly and the output is only interpretable by the TeX compiler. It is not the kind of TeX people are familiar with when writing papers at the university."
 * However, hejko mentioned that perhaps the finalized PDF could be of some use. There's an email whitelist where you send the full url of the book page (aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Books/Louis_Armstrong for the Louis Armstrong book), and you'll receive a the Pediapress-generated PDF. I don't really know the details, so log on #pediapress and you could ask there for details. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 17:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Arabic script
Arabic script is not rendered correctly. The letters are not connected.--Ohybač bambusu (talk) 19:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have a specific example? Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 20:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * All articles seem to be affected. For example: --> --Ohybač bambusu (talk) 21:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

FAQ page in need of updates
The "PDF Export" subsection of the "How do the exports comply with license requirements?" section of Help:Books/Frequently Asked Questions needs to be updated. I just downloaded multiple books that include multiple images, and I observed a couple of things at variance with what is stated here:
 * The "License" chapter at the end of the book says simply
 * Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported
 * http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
 * instead of printing a complete copy of the GFDL as is stated by the FAQ.

Is there any good reason that these apparently incorrect statements should be retained? Nyttend (talk) 23:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a section with credits, license details, and more for each image; with lots of images on its approximately 300 content pages, one of my books has over 20 pages of image credits and details.