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Wrong order
Hello!

I was testing the book tool at Special:Book and noticed it includes the chapters in the reverse order. Why this happens?

For example, I create 3 chapters: "A", "B" and "C". Then, the list shows: Besides this, clicking at "Sort alphabetically" doesn't do anything... =/ Helder (talk) 13:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * C
 * B
 * A
 * Chapters are always added at the top. Otherwise if one has a long list of articles the added chapters would be appended unnoticed. Sorting only applies to articles, not chapters. --He!ko (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it be difficult to make this configurable in such way that the new chapters are also appended? This behaviour is of interest at Wikibooks, since every content page there is already a "chapter" of some book... Helder (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree that something like
 * A
 * B
 * C
 * article1
 * article2
 * article3

would make more sense before things are sorted, but what about when the chapters have already been sorted? How would that work?
 * A
 * D
 * article1


 * B
 * article2


 * C
 * article3

If so, that would be a bit weird, wouldn't it? Perhaps the following would make a bit more sense: ---
 * New chapter(s) (click and drag to appropriate location)
 * A
 * B
 * C
 * article1
 * article2
 * article3

Then after the click and drag:


 * New chapter(s) (click and drag to appropriate location)
 * None (or hide the entire section above the --- line)

---
 * A
 * article1


 * B
 * article2


 * C
 * article3

then creating a new chapter would give

---
 * New chapter(s) (click and drag to appropriate location)
 * D
 * A
 * article1


 * B
 * article2


 * C
 * article3

Is this clear? I think this way of doing things would be a great improvement over the current way things are handled. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 16:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If I understood correctly, the idea of Headbomb seems good. If someone would like to create a book with some Wikipedia articles, I think he already imagine roughly its structure, for example, what chapters will it have and which kind of article will be in each of them. So, one intuitive way the user could be creating a book is to be always adding articles to a "current chapter", I mean, if the user is at an article "A" and turn the "book creator" on, and add successively "A", "B" and "C" to his book, this pages could be part of a first chapter, whose name is not defined yet. When he think it's book is becoming large, he could want to separate the pages in two or more chapters, so he click at "show book (N pages)" and goes to the Special:Book page to see how is his book. There, what he see is a list of articles, some blank fields to define the title/subtitle, and a link to "create a chapter". Clicking at this link, it is asked to him to define the first chapter's name, and it's added above the "list of articles". Now, he can do two things:
 * Create another chapter;
 * Add some article that he forgot (but which should also be part of this "first chapter").
 * In the second case, he goes to the article page and add them to the current chapter (the first one). In the first case, he click "create chapter" again and define the name for it. This new chapter could be added above the list, after the first chapter, but this wouldn't means that the articles in the list below are part of the second chapter: we just have two lists (one for chapters and other for articles). This way, while he is thinking about the book structure in terms of chapters, he will be adding the new chapters in a "list of chapters" which is above the "list of articles". Then he can stops adding new chapters and start moving the articles to inside of the created chapters. After this organization, if he wants to add new articles, it would be useful to have a way of "remember" what chapter he was working at, in order not to be necessary to move the new articles to that chapter after adding them.
 * A different option for large books would be to have "collapsable chapters", which autocollapse if there are more than X items in the current book. In this case, a simple link [show/hide] at the right side of the chapter's names could be used by the user when necessary. This way, if the software add new chapters at the end of the list, it will be noticed. Alternatively, when the book has lots of pages, it could be added an little notice "The chapter was added to the end of the list".
 * Besides this, I think the link "Sort alphabetically" could be changed to "Sort alphabetically: [ ] chapters / [x] articles", so that the user could see what will happens when clicking the link, and also could set what exactly he wants:
 * Sort the articles inside each chapter (but not move an article from one chapter to another)
 * Sort the chapters (without changing the order of the articles inside of them)
 * Sort both the chapters and articles inside chapters (but not moving an article from one chapter to another)
 * A similar thing would be interesting when using "drag & drop": to be able to move a whole chapter (together with its articles) from one position to another in the book. This could be achieved by adding an option like "[x] move articles and chapters together" in some place...
 * What do you think?
 * Have a nice week! =) Helder (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Multiple_Image does not render well
Han Dynasty has several Multiple Image Templates within it, mostly to display two images side by side withing a single box. However when rendered, the formatting does not carry and instead of two images side by side with a caption, the two images are stacked on top of each other with the caption displayed as normal text and the text broken where the images are located. This is clearly evident on page 8 of the .pdf version of Han Dynasty, where an example of this error can be seen (compare with the original). Rouge568 (talk) 04:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Top Infobox
When I download an article as a PDF file, the infobox is always centered at the top of the article. Is there a way to change this so that the infobox is to the right of the lead as currently in articles? --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Not right now no, but see the ticket in the redbox on the right. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)