Help talk:Editing/Archive 4

Links and urls
I did this edit (here). I added short into, section toc, “wikitable” with %, and style="background:#f5faff; border:#cedff2" --Chuck Marean 21:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Character formatting
I did this edit (Character formatting). I added intro & contents. Replaced “pre” with “code” for wrapping. Nested within border for right-left alignment & no horizontals. Blue color with dotted vertical. Numbered characters & entities. Added LaTeX, chess & use of ampersand. --Chuck Marean 16:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Cross-language images
1) Is this the right place to ask? if not, where should I ask? 2) How can I use an image from an english article in es.wikipedia.org (i'm mirroring the same article in spanish, and i don't think worthwhile re-uploading the file (hence, duplicating it). HuGo_87 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be uploaded to the Commons . (Sometimes it already has been - check the Wikipedia image page itself.) Rd232 talk 17:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The semicolon
Why isn't this mentioned? It's used for definition lists, and is quite useful. For example, this list. Sceptre (talk) 03:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Firefox 3.5 and Wikipedia

 * To complete the edition mode buttons, it's possible to use the Firefox module: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1347, by setting a template like the Unix commands one:

Restored HarryAlffa addition
It was removed with a direction not to insert opinion into the page. Since I couldn't figure out what opinion that was supposed to be, I added it back. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Articles should be written so that they fit this structured document model, as described below. I reject this stipulation. This is just a personal opinion. This page is not a policy or guideline, so it can not prescribe what editors should do. In addition, the sentence Concentrate on the structure of the document, not how it looks. Get the structure right, and it will look right! is wrong. It puts undue weight on the structure at the expense of the content. I would say "Concentrate on the content of the article, everything else is not very important". Ruslik_ Zero 18:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If you just start writing, you're going to get essays. If you start with the structure from the beginning, you're more likely to end up with something usable, and if you don't, it will be easier for people to figure out what needs to be fixed. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There are other reasons why I do not like this section (Structured document):
 * The style is different from the rest of the page. It is written from the second person, while the page from the third.
 * Is the table necessary? Are editors, who simply want to learn how to edit Wikipedia, really need to know about HTML?
 * Within an article the level-one heading is created automatically from the articles title, put at the top of the document, and is unavailable for editing. Is this information is really useful?
 * The last four paragraphs duplicate MOS (and may actually contradict it).
 * Ruslik_ Zero 19:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds more like essay material to me. I'm certainly not convinced it's particularly helpful to the average user. Rd232 talk 20:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Minor Edit Question: InterWiki or Interwiki?
In (Wikimedia text link) section, both versions appear. For standardization purposes, which is preferred? I know this is not the most burning issue out there, but if someone can easily answer it, I'd appreciate it.

I might not be able to come back and fix it myself, but I will try to remember to check in and see if someone made the Ws all match or not. Thanks! Geekdiva (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's InterWiki, see the article. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It was redirected to "InterWiki" some time ago. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Changing an article name
I have been working on Wikia and I have been working on this Wikia and I don't know how to change the name of an article. --216.120.175.58 (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Create an account, wait 4 days, make 10 edits and you will be able to move pages. Ruslik_ Zero 18:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Article cleanup - Split
This article is linked to from several welcome templates, and as such may be on of the first guideline type articles a new editor will come across, currently it has about 1000 hits per day. I'm a fairly experienced editor and and it gives me a headache! We need t improve it! Here are some ideas... ( only one for now 'til later) Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  00:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Split Article - Wiki markup section
This section is overly complicated compared to the rest of the article - it could be simplified but has had a lot of work put into it and would be better off placed in it's own ( more advanced) article and a summary left in its place. this would be simple Wiki markup redirects here and the section has its own shortcut, so that is where I propose we move the section. Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  00:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The wikimarkup thing does seem like a separate page. I wonder though how much overlap there is with other pages, like WP:Cheatsheet? Rd232 talk 17:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The cheatsheet does cover a few of the simpler markups, but the markup section is far more comprehensive, there probably are other articles that overlap a little but a dedicated page would be useful. As an addendum: the section is pretty much a technical help - with a few guidelines thrown in it, and would probably sit better at Help:Wiki markup. Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  22:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes sense I think. Rd232 talk 22:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Have moved, the article is much shorter now and more managable. Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  01:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

HTML markup appears in articles
I have no idea why, but in pages that use < > markups, these markups appear in my text, instead of doing what they're supposed to. Does anybody have a clue what this problem could be? ONCfranswiki You can see my problem directly on the Main Page. Gallomane (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. Please see Help:HTML in wikitext. Other HTML tags might not work.  Ilyushka88   talk  18:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks fot the tip, but I'd already tried that, and it's exactly these tags that appear instead of work. Therefore I repeat the question with a great big HELP... Gallomane (talk) 19:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are these tags appearing on Wikipedia itself? Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  21:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I should have mentioned that this is happening in my own personal wiki... not in wikipedia. i posted the link in my original question. Gallomane (talk) 12:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, was just asking - I'm not technical myself - you might have better luck at the village pump ( technical ), but they will probably direct you to the support desk of MediaWiki itself . Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  22:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Mass Change of Links to our site?
I'm one of the editors for http://www.sergent.com.au/ We've just changed the structure of our site to make reporting/stats better, but in doing so, have moved thousands of pages to new subdirectories (i.e. www.sergent.com.au/nzmusic.html is now www.sergent.com.au/music/nzmusic.html) I've gone through and put redirects on all the old pagenames (so nzmusic.html redirs to music/nzmusic.html). I'm wondering if there's an easy way to find all references on wikipedia to our site (there are hundreds), and quickly/easily edit them? Obviously it doesn't matter if the references aren't corrected, because users will be pointed to the new pages, but curious as to whether this is possible? I'd like to obviously help smooth the transition as much as possible. Thanks for any suggestions! Spakatak (talk) 06:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Either you can ask for a robot replacement, or manually after a first filter, edit each concerned article. JackPotte (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Stealing your redirect
I hate it when this happens ... WP:Edit has pointed to WP:Editing policy for a long time, and WT:Edit points to that talk page, but WP:EDIT has pointed to this page for a long time. I just noticed. I've been referring to the WP:EDIT redirect (incorrectly) at WP:Update for a long time, so I'd like to steal it ... you've got 3 other redirects in your shortcut box ... but feel free to revert. - Dank (push to talk) 15:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

custom font
I want to write something in SERIF font. How? Q0k (page, talk, contributions) 01:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried to do this in HTML, and it succeeded: Q0k (page, talk, contributions) 02:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

i cant find the edit this page thing!Help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.213.88 (talk) 14:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Markup example image mismatch
I notice that the image used to display the markup for this article has not been updated with the latest changes. Should this be done? --MadManMarkAu (talk) 21:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

understanding Wikipedia
hi I am just learning how to edit and I need more tips thank you                          Keturah822 (talk) 16:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC) keturah822

Fixing Typo
"When performing a large edit it is suggested you copy the code of the article you are working on and placing it in a text editor (preferably one without formatting, such as Notepad) periodically and before pressing save page." Can somebody change that so that it all has the same tense? ("placing" --> "place") -Clomen Nature (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Eventually done, thanks! Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  09:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Mobile Device Application Research and Findings
Where the hell do I put a pdf? Perhaps something needs to be set up for resources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.121.110 (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PDF filesare licenced to adobe, not sure if wikicommons / wp can use them. Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  09:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Someone broke instructions on adding files
The Introduction 2 subpage has a broken link "Add images or sounds" to How_to_edit_a_page#Images. Someone must have removed the Images section from this page. Where did the instructions on file adding get put? Will someone please fix this? JustinTime55 (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have requested the change - should e accepted Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  09:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Lee&there4;V (talk  •  contribs)  22:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Insufficient referencing is derogated in these instructions
I want to object to the blanket requirement that assertions should have references.

I have been involved personally and heavily in the development of the theory of Zero Waste as philosophy of resource conservation. Others have not and are relying on something they heard or read. They can use references. I know what I know by personal involvement. I was there. I did not absorb knowledge in a library or from an article. While I would not want to avoid references where they exist, perhaps reflecting later developments, I am a primary reference myself for what I was involved in. I write this screed because of the blanket nature of the statement - "statements without references will be removed" or words to that effect. Zerowaster (talk) 03:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Addition to Miley Cyrus page      found by finding details on gold and platinum certifications per country and looking at her discography to see what she has sold and where.
as of 2010 miley cyrus has sold around 18 million albums world wide and 13.5 million in the United States, this including all her albums and thoose under her tv show alter ego hannah montana

Mikala19 (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is the wrong place for your question. At the top of the page it says: "is the Talk page for the How to edit a page page".  Protection policy tells you that the place to make your request is on the talk page for the article in question, but  if you want the request to be actioned you ought to look at WP:V and WP:RS and provide appropriate references for the material you want to be added.  - David Biddulph (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm closing this edit request. Thanks.  elektrik SHOOS  20:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Mdrasel32
pls i want to edit wikipedia

Mdrasel32 (talk) 06:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You can edit Wikipedia. Why do you need this page edited? I n k a 888 00:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.247.255.226, 7 January 2011
edit semi-protected

You spelled Joe's last name Wrong! It is spelled Passalaqua

98.247.255.226 (talk) 09:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the appropriate page to request that edits be made to articles, but rather to discuss improvements to be made to the How to edit a page page. Please do edit the article directly or discuss the improvement on the article's talk page. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mark Rhain
my name is rhain — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkRhain24 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Your edit doesn't belong here. This is the Talk page for the How to edit a page page.  . - David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Sree Sree Gita Sangha
The Atlantic City Sree Sree Gita Sangha is a nonprofitmaking Bengali-Hindu community .It was established on September, 2000 to dispread the acumecy of Bhagavad Gita as well as Hinduism towards the new age group of Atlantic City and its neighboring cities around the New York and New Jersey State. The Gita Sangha foundation organizes quite a few cultural and religious festivals including Durga Puja, Kali Puja, Saraswati Puja, Sri Krishna Janmashtomi, and annual pilgrimage around the North America. This community also arranges Gita School every summer time for the young generation to give them the message of Sreemad Bhagavad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monotosh55 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Your edit doesn't belong here. This is the Talk page for the How to edit a page page.  . - David Biddulph (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

How to edit a page → Help:Editing — This is a help page.--Mono (talk) 01:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

F R  E Y W A  08:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely support – It's a help page, which belongs in the Help namespace, not in the Wikipedia namespace. –MuZemike 01:26, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes - This page should be moved to Help:Editing as soon as the discussion is closed, for this is obviously a help to users (especially new ones) to get started with editing.
 * Support. Does indeed belong in Help namespace. Guoguo12  --Talk--  23:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with the renaming, but I absolutely disagree with the deletion of the content. It is extremely important to have a page with pointers to more detailed articles (such as Help:Wiki markup) and just 3 images are totally useless. Calimo (talk) 11:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't use links that try to take the user from the open server to the secure server. Instead of deletion of the content., try . With the latter we can see the images; with the former we can't. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry you feel this way. However, the page is geared toward brand new editors, and a ton of text isn't going to help them. I'm working on adding some additional content to add, but let's keep this basic. MonoALT (talk) 19:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I utterly disagree. I came to this page because I (I would describe myself as a fairly advanced editor) needed accurate and precise information and… there was nothing! I agree there should be something for brand new editors, but this content must not be removed – it must be moved somewhere else as you request. Then we can discuss what this page (that will then be blank) should contain for beginners.


 * It seems to me that there are already far too many pages offering advice, guidelines and "manuals". It may be laudable to attempt to cater for a wide variety of interests and intellects, but the greater the diffusion of information is, the more cumbersome it becomes to use.  Moving the content without removing the page strikes me as adding yet another layer for increased  granularity, and yet more mouseclicks (and browser tabs) to what should be a simple job: how do I ... ?  Fewer pages, with concise abstracts at the top, and gradually more detail down-scroll strike me as a more practical, user-friendly and manageable prospect.  Ergo, either don't touch this page at all, or move/rename it to reduce the "red tape" creep in user instructions.  Hence I have voted for moving/re-naming (below).  This comment is added here because I gained the impression, validly or not, that some dedicated, highly knowledgeable Wikipedia contributors may be too caught up in the minutiae of that project and its rules to recognize that the utility of help and advice declines in direct proportion to the number of mouse-clicks and separate pages required to pass on that help and advice.  Consolidating what already exists seems more useful to me than adding ever newer layers, even if new information is asked for or considered necessary.  --Peter S Strempel (talk) 07:29, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * For now two people are clearly opposed to content deletion (David Biddulph and me) and none agreed. Clearly there is no concensus at all for this big change now, so please do not invoke WP:CREEP when you don't have a consensus. I restored the content again. Calimo (talk) 08:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, to put it even more clearly, you cannot both move the page and change the content at the very same time. Choose whether you move this content somewhere else (then you can put some beginner information here) or put the beginner info somewhere else (then this page will remain as it is now with more advanced infos). But doing both at the same time can only create confusion and I'm not going to support it. Please explain your goal more clearly if you want to reach a consensus. Thanks to for putting words on my uneasiness. Calimo (talk) 08:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. Before any renaming should take place, I would advise that a consensus should be made about what form this page should be. Looking at the page history and this talk page, it gives the appearance (whether it was in fact true or not) that this page was unilaterally changed, and a move discussion was initated exactly 4 minutes later to reflect this unilateral change. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support move, but Oppose unilateral deletion of useful content and links. - David Biddulph (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, David Biddulph, wasn't that "Oppose" supposed to be non-bolded? You seem to be contradicting yourself, and making a confusion to the man who is going to sweep over this section and reviewing the votes to decide whether this page should be moved. As for Calimo, you bolded the wrong word. Your vote should be in bold. F R E  Y W A  07:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia: the place where people argue whether and/or which votes should be cast in bold or not. --187.40.227.235 (talk) 23:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear 187.40.227.235, you have vandalised Wikipedia by putting a disruptive comment on a talk page. F R E  Y W A  01:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Suggestion – How about we place the basic information that is on the page right now at the very top of the Help:Editing page and then go into detail further below (basically amounting to a merge)? That way, newcomers can easily see the information right in front of them in order to get started, while further information can be placed further down for more experienced users. –MuZemike 06:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I support that thing (correction) to the page. F R E  Y W A  11:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be fine for me as well. Calimo (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Wait up. Hasn't 7 days passed already? Looks like we can close this and move this, because there has been (1) a unanimous decision to move it and (2) no contentious debate among the participants. I'm not an admin and I am relatively new (look here), so can we move this safely? F R E Y W A  07:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support to help consolidate already far too diffusely scattered information on contributing to Wikipedia.  --Peter S Strempel (talk) 06:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support: A help article should be in the help namespace. –CWenger (talk) 18:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Beveiligde weergave In Office Word 2010 uitschakelen (bewerken)
Office 2010 is beveiligt voor schadelijke bestanden, hierdoor kun worden alle bijlagen van e-mails en onbekende bestanden geblokkeerd.

Als je het echt vervelend vind kun je het volgende doen.

''1. Open Office Word 2010 ''

2. Klik op: bestand (linksboven)

3. Klik dan op: opties

4. Dan het op het tabblad: Vertrouwenscentrum.

5. Klik dan op: Instellingen voor het Vertrouwenscentrum (rechts)

6. Klik dan op het tabblad: Beveiligde weergave.

7. Hier kun je instellen wanneer je de beveiligde weergave wilt inschakelen,

Als je bijvoorbeeld nergens een "vinkje" in zet kun je alle bijlagen en bestanden openen en bewerken.

Dit is niet altijd even veilig, Wil je alleen dat de bijlages van outlook gelijk kunt bewerken,

vink je het vakje: beveiligde weergave inschakelen voor Outlook-bijlagen UIT

Hieronder is een link geplaatst van de Officiële site van Microsoft, Hier kun je meer lezen over bestand blokkeringen

http://office.microsoft.com/nl-nl/word-help/wat-is-bestandsblokkering-HA010355927.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.68.44.153 (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Huh? Can somebody translate the text above and in the preceding section into English? I have absolutely no command of Dutch, and I cannot find the template that requests text translation. Also, this section is a repeat of the preceding one, so somebody must delete the preceding section. F  R  E Y W A  11:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Try Google Translate or Babelfish. I've deleted your duplicate section. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The translation is:

(How to turn the) Secure Office Word 2010 display off ((edit)) Office 2010 is (has been made) secure to malicious files, this can (make) all attachments from unknown e-mails and files (be) blocked.

If you really find (it) annoying, you can do the following.

1. Open Office Word 2010 2. Click: File (top left) 3. Click: Options 4. Then (click) the tab: Trust Center. 5. Click: Trust Center Settings (right) 6. Click on the tab: Secure display. 7. You can specify when you want to enable the secure viewing,(.)

For example if you no one "tick" in place (tick no box) you can find all open and edit files and attachments (open and edit all files and attachments).

This is not always safe(.) If you only want the right to edit attachments in Outlook, check the box: (")Enable secure view Outlook attachments(".)

Below is a link on the official Microsoft site, here you can read more about file locks.

http://office.microsoft.com/nl-nl/word-help/wat-is-bestandsblokkering-HA010355927.aspx PRECEDE- (Preceding) unsigned comment added by 92.68.44.153 (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Italic refers to text that should be deleted and (text like this) refers to text that should be added because this has been done by Google Translate. F R  E Y W A  03:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I cannot edit a page
I cannot edit the main page (to make changes) or the discussion page. Both have glaring and controverial (borderline offensive) material. How should I proceed?--71.245.164.83 (talk) 02:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Which page do you mean? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, . Sorry, but if that's a sample of what you're trying to insert, it's better that you not edit it. Otherwise, you'll be blocked for disruptive editing. Find something that doesn't offend you, learn the ropes here, and then come back and work on Baldwin properly. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Link to toolbar please
Please link to Help:Edit_toolbar, I have been searching for that page for quite some time now.. Thanks! --Kebap (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- John of Reading (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Gorge Washingtons hair looks ugly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thejhess12 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page
Hi, I want to learn how to edit a talk page for the first time. For all new users their talk page is a redlink. --178.128.75.48 (talk) 07:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you click the redlink, you should be given the option to create the new talk page. Unregistered users can't create articles but, I think, can create talk pages. Post back here if it's not working and I'll log out and give it a try. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Bomblast?
IN many country there are being bomblasts but the biggest bomblast is there in japan today we are here to discuss how to stop them by learning there landuages.Learning languages are being useful for us too much because if we know english we don't know chinese if a chinese comes and ask for something we can not understant what they are saying we think that they are abusing we begin/start fighting learning languages are easy by that we can bring peace and harmony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahan Baloch (talk • contribs) 05:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Bpbajgain, 16 June 2011
Hi I am the editor of Haalkhabar daily news portal of Sikkim. in media subhead the word Haalkhabar is linked with http://haalkhabar.com, which is previous link of the pafe. present link is http://haalkhabar.in. please edit this. -B P Bajgain, Editor, Haalkhabar

Bpbajgain (talk) 05:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All those links were contrary to the Wikipedia external link guideline, External links, and I have removed them. Future edit requests for the Sikkim article should be placed on Talk:Sikkim, not on this page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All those links were contrary to the Wikipedia external link guideline, External links, and I have removed them. Future edit requests for the Sikkim article should be placed on Talk:Sikkim, not on this page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)