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Recent Changes to IPA Transcriptions
Hi everyone, just thought I'd mention that over the last few months, I have recently made some huge changes to this IPA Help page as I felt that there were too many phonemes missing from here, especially the slack voice, palatalised, nasalised and retracted consonants which are prominent features of these languages. However, at the same time, because I believed there were just too many phonemes of those types to add here given that this page includes transcriptions for three languages (Xhosa, Zulu and Swazi) and not one, I have decided to included them under a separate section called "other symbols" as I feel including each phoneme individually would introduce unnecessary clutter here and be very difficult for readers to follow in this page. With this in mind, I have also removed the individual phonemes for the aspirated and murmured (breathy voice) consonants and also allocated them to the "other symbols" section to cover both the click and non-click consonants as there were loads of murmured and aspirated consonants for the three languages so I felt that would also introduce clutter. I also feel that if there was a separate IPA help page for these three languages and not one page for three languages as there currently is, it would have been far easier for me to include individual phonemes for each language.

In addition to that, I also added transcriptions for the ejective click consonants (I have only kept the ejective consonants as separate phonemes as putting that in the "other symbols" section won't make as much sense) and also added English approximations here as I see no reason to exclude them here when most IPA help pages in Wikipedia have them as excluding them creates inconsistency between this page and the other IPA Help pages (as the click consonants have no true English equivalent, I've excluded English approximations for them and added a footnote highlighting the reasons behind it). However, if anyone does disagree with the changes I made regarding allocating a separate "other symbols" section for the nasalised, murmured, aspirated, palatalised and retracted consonants, feel free to either discuss this here or make any necessary changes (though as I've highlighted above, I don't think I'd support separate phonemes for them as too many of them will introduce clutter here), many thanks. Broman178 (talk) 12:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)