Help talk:Media (audio and video)/Archives/2008

Additional player for Windows
I would like to propose that foobar2000 is added as a player in the wikipedia list. It supports ogg natively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadders (talk • contribs) 12:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * foobar2000 supports Vorbis and Speex, but not Theora (the video part), making it not okay as a Wikipedia et al recommended player.-- Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves talk / contribs (join WP:PT) 15:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Broken link / bandwidth
The link http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ on the Ogg Media help page does not work anymore.
 * Yes, I think the domain name expired. Is there any alternate way to be able to play Ogg files? (Other than installing an alternate player, that is) Thanks, Am00nz0r5 20:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The site is back. For future reference, if it ever goes down Windows users can check the DefilerPak (or find a mirror of illi's work).-- Saoshyant  talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 15:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Link is down due to bandwidth issues. There really must be another source for Ogg Codecs; can WP not host something itself? (I'm not sure about other users, but "hellninjacommando" doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in me - but then neither does a website suffering bandwidth overuse.) ozNoz (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, bandwidth isn't free and nobody is selling a product to get spare money to pay for all the bandwidth. I need to talk with the site's owner so he tries to set some mirror system.  Also, scratch my earlier recommendation for DefilerPak.  It's outdated and includes support for non-free formats, which is a no-no in Wikipedia et al.  While the illiminable site doesn't come back online, you may want to try install VLC, or simply install Java and use the built-in player in the Ogg pages across Wikipedia et al.-- Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves  talk / contribs (join WP:PT) 22:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Be frustrated. Be very frustrated.
I have tried to get Wiki audio and video files to work on seven PCs now. All were running XP. They ranged from old machines to brand new clean installs. Even following the instructions on this page to the letter and installing the latest versions of everything, NONE of them have ever been able to play Wiki media content.

I can only assume that the drive for "open source" file formats is merely an attempt to ensure that no-one other than the greatest Unix Über-gurus ever see any of the supposed rich Wiki content.

Come on guys, get with the program and start using file formats that *real* people use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.99.145 (talk • contribs)


 * Unfortunately a change of formats is not an option, or at least not a change that will be brought about easily. If you want help getting media files to play on your computer, please contact me on my talk page or by email.  It will be useful for everyone if we can figure out which part of these instructions are confusing and then modify them accordingly. - SCEhard T 19:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Where can I go for help? I've followed the instructions to download and install the Windows codec on an XP PC.  I can't get it to associate the .ogg filetype with the correct application.  The Iliminable "program" in the Start/AllPrograms menu only has two options:  uninstall and 'oggcodecs website' -- I can't find a program called DirectShow. N2e (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply is on your talk page - SCEhard T 22:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Crashes Firefox
The embedded player crashes my Firefox 3.0.1 when I press the play button. The OS is Vista x64, and it says in about:plugins that I have Java Platform SE 6 U6. I don't have a VLC plugin, although I have VLC installed in the system. I've had similar problems on other PCs too, and just want to thank the ideologues who chose Vorbis and Theora as the standard formats for Wikipedia media files. Reinistalk 05:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Illiminable
This site doesn't exist anymore and forwards to xiph. I think this page needs to be altered to reflect this. Rmhermen (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip; has been updated. - SCEhard T 17:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I get Firefox to play a downloaded Ogg file?
My fully-updated Firefox browser on Windows XP plays ogg files fine on Wikipedia pages. But when I click on the downloaded file I get a popup window asking what to play it with. I can't get the Firefox browser to play it. I would like to use whatever Firefox is using to stream the ogg file.

Isn't the Firefox browser using Java plug-ins to play ogg music files? There is an ogg music file I can stream fine when I click the play button on this page:
 * Portishead

Image:Sour Times.ogg

The "more" info button goes to here:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sour_Times.ogg

or it popups a menu with more options if the music clip has already been played. It lists the Cortado Java player as being the current selected player. It also offers QuickTime as an option. QuickTime could not play it.

I downloaded the ogg file from here:
 * http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Sour_Times.ogg

When I click the file, Sour_Times.ogg, I can't get the Firefox browser to play it. I don't want to install other players yet.

Where do I browse to in Windows to select the Cortado Java player? I am talking about when I click on the ogg file and the popup window asks what I want to use to open the ogg file with. --Timeshifter (talk) 08:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

--Timeshifter (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC) - I copied the following from Talk:Cortado (software):


 * You don't install Cortado; you install Java to make Cortado work on your browser. If you already downloaded the Ogg file (video or audio) then you can also play it on a real player like WMP.  For WMP all you need is to install the DirectShow Ogg codecs.  That's it.  Don't over complicate it.-- Ivo  talk / contribs (join Project Portugal) 01:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If it wasn't clear, Cortado is a player loaded from Wikimedia servers and works as a Java application to load the Ogg files in Wikimedia. You need to have Java installed, as well as enabled in Firefox (in case you or an extension disabled it).-- Ivo  talk / contribs (join Project Portugal) 01:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks. So I guess my Firefox browser downloads the small Cortado application each time I click on a streaming Ogg file link on a web page. I will have to try to find the DirectShow Ogg codecs for Windows Media Player as you suggested. In order to play Ogg files offline. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

So it looks like already-downloaded OGG files require some extra effort to play. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Burn the OGGs
OK, I've tried very, very hard. I've got a pretty clean new install of XP with Windows Media Player, Real Player, up-to-the-minute Java and so on. And I've followed the instructions to the letter for both Media Player and Real Player (and how confusing was that one, just being confrunted with a page full of gibberish links!). And still, and still, the OGG audio files won't play. Nada, nothing, zip.

In the introduction to media the Wikiguru clearly states that OGG files aren't playable by Windows or Mac operating systems - so that's well over 99% of the planet's computer users automatically and completely alienated.

Smart move, lads.

We had 'burn the GIFs' a few years ago. So now let's burn the OGGs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.35.98 (talk) 20:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No operating system can play Ogg files, because operating systems do not play files. Multimedia players do. So all you need to do is install a player or a component capable of Ogg/Vorbis playback (the article clearly links to several possible options). Also, please note that Wikipedia talk pages are not discussion forums or chatrooms, they only serve as a place for people to discuss the article and how to improve it. And please sign your comments and do not put your new section in the wrong place (the official Wikipedia guideline for talk page layout is: "Start new topics at the bottom of the page").&mdash;J. M. (talk) 21:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please don't split hairs. When you buy a computer with an installed operating system such as Windows, the bundle includes media player software which is capable of playing common file types - except OGG. Most mere mortals consider that to be part of the operating system (as opposed to software that they have to find/buy separately).
 * I would argue that these comments are precisely intended to improve the article - and Wikipedia - by making media files accessible.
 * J.M. refers to the page clearly linking to several options. And completely misses the original poster's point that it doesn't work (at least for hir).
 * Thank you for your comment about signatures. I'm a registered user and a contributing author but I prefer to keep this comment anonymous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.27.232 (talk) 19:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason we use OGG is that it is one of the few open and royalty-free video formats about. With a non-free format users are at the mercy off the licence holders, if the licence holder does not wish to support a particular platform then that leaves the uses of that platform stuffed. Problems with OGG are technical ones, which can be fixed, rather than legal ones, which cannot.
 * If your still stuck, go to http://www.xiph.org/dshow/ download, run, and you should be done. --Salix alba (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. Comments intended to improve the article say what exactly is wrong with it and possibly suggest how to change it. While comments like "Smart move, lads" or "let's burn the OGGs" are just useless rants that do not belong here. You don't improve an article explaining how to play Ogg files by suggesting "Burn the Oggs", you improve it by improving the instructions. To improve the instructions, you should first of all know what's wrong with them. Saying "it does not work for me, nada, nothing, zip" does not contain any usable information.
 * 2. The instructions contain links to software that can play Ogg/Vorbis files. Tested, tried and true.
 * 3. I said "please sign your comments", not "please log in". Those are two completely different things. "Any post made to user talk pages, article talk pages, or other discussion pages should be signed." "Note that if you choose to contribute to Wikipedia without logging in, you should still sign your posts."&mdash;J. M. (talk) 17:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Something has gone wild
I can't play OGG files with Windows Media Player 9.0 directly (WMP9 can't detect the file on the right directory). It has to go through Firefox. What can I do to fix this (assuming that I am unable to install WMP10 or WMP11)? Alexius08 (talk) 10:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ogg
Okay, there're all these nice links to programs that can play ogg files. Now how the heck do I make one? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See Creation and usage of media files. --Salix (talk): 21:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Ogg files
Sometimes when I play .ogg music samples the play button seems to trigger the file to play twice, one slightly after the other creating a weird echo effect. If I click 'stop' one of the files stops playing but the other continues and sounds fine. This doesn't seem to be a problem with the files themselves as sometimes a particular file will be ok and sometimes it will 'double play'. Anyone else had similar issues? Cavie78 (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thank goodness it's not just me! I added a sound on Helium, and it does the same thing. --BlueNight (talk) 08:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to confirm that I get this problem with the VLC plugin (only with VLC) and it is 100% reproducible with specific files. Those that double-sound, such as Image:De-zwanzig.ogg and Image:Helium article read with helium.ogg, always double sound, while those that sound only once, such as Image:De-vierundzwanzig.ogg, always sound only once. (Using latest VLC version 0.9.6.) Below I have below requested a wanrning note be added to the Media help article. 84user (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Improve the help
I suggest these edits be made to Media_help_(Ogg) to improve the help for users.

1. In the first paragraph replace

To set up your system to play these files, find your operating system (Microsoft Windows, for example) below.

with (use the wiki source, not the rendered text)

To set up your system to play these files, scroll down to the section for your operating system (Windows, Macintosh (Mac OS X), or Unixes) below.

2. In the Windows section under VLC media player add the following bold text to note that VLC has problems playing short ogg files:

'''Note: VLC does not play certain short ogg files on Windows. VLC fails to play the first 0.35 seconds of certain ogg files, so that very short sound files will appear to be silent and longer ogg files may be missing the first 0.35 seconds. (This problem was last checked 2008-11-23 with the latest VLC version 0.9.6)'''

A good way to verify that VLC has this problem is to play this one second Image:De-zweiundzwanzig.ogg using VLC (either the plugin, or download the file and play it with the stand-alone VLC). With VLC you will hear "zwanzig" (20), but the whole file actually holds "zweiundzwanzig" (22). This could be quite misleading to a listener. Another player with this problem is Zoom, infact Zoom is even worse than VLC. All other media players I have tested work properly with short ogg files (Audacity, Cortado (Java), GOM, IrfanView, MPC, and SUPER). For good measure I have also confirmed that the double-sounding problem mentioned in ' and ' above still exists with VLC.

Thank you. 84user (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you do me a favor, please? Please add the proposed changes to a temp subpage so that they can be looked at and reviewed and implemented much more easily. Thanks! --MZMcBride (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)