MediaWiki talk:Blockedtext

Proposal to remove the red hand and make the text smaller
The red hand is unnecessary to get attention, as is the giant text. They're especially inappropriate for IP blocks, where most users are seeing this because of collateral damage. I plan to remove the red hand and make the top line smaller text. Best, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 19:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree.
 * That said, I agree that we probably could use additional text better explaining about "collateral damage".
 * The text at Help:I have been blocked used to reside here. When it was removed, so went the explanatory text. - jc37 21:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jc37: Mind sharing why you disagree? Best, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 19:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think Xaosflux explained better than I could, below. There are reasons that images are used on motorways, for example. We use images (and colour, for that matter) to help illustrate and convey. See also Pictogram.
 * Besides, a hand that says "stop", is a neutral statement. I'm not seeing an issue here that needs addressing on that count. - jc37 04:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Especially for IP blocks, we can't assume the editor has English as a primary language, this iconography sends a good message of "you have been stopped". — xaosflux  Talk 19:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Blockvars
Template:Blockvars has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 19:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 25 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved It looks to me like the old message names are no longer referenced by the code, but they're being slow at removing them for some reason. I tested on a local MediaWiki instance and the new message names were displayed. Also updated the parameters to match the new order. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)  * Pppery * it has begun...  22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

– After seeing some page names on Special:AllMessages, this is officially the new interface name. 167.205.22.105 (talk) 14:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-ipblocked → MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-ip
 * MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-ipblocked-range → MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-range
 * It looks like both may still be hooked, and they have different parameters? May need an adjustment and likely should be copied at least initially. — xaosflux  Talk 14:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request May 2024
Another edit request. After the change I realized that the link to NOP is gone. Can you add it again? 167.205.22.106 (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The prior version doesn't seem to point there, and it is not applicable to all global blocks. Can you point to where this was in place? Block reasons should still come across when applicable. — xaosflux  Talk 15:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The original messages was this:

It had a link to m:NOP but the new one doesn't. Also had a few more detailed instructions about appealing a block. 167.205.22.106 (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The original default message doesn't have that (see here). Can you link to a specific prior version you are referring to? — xaosflux  Talk 15:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh it's this one. MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake and MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake-email-steward. So it's basically a part of the message but the text is on a separate template. This is what I'm referring to. This is what the original text had. It's part of the message. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ this isn't making any sense. Make a sandbox by first mirroring an existing message, then make the changes you are proposing. Then if you are saying this "was" somewhere, provide the permalink to the version you are referring to. Next, provide a test case for when your proposed change will be used. After all of that, reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux  Talk 17:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see Template:Blocked text/testcases. It's on the third and second-to-last entries, respectively. I've added more details to the entry so that it has more specific details about how to appeal a global block, instead of just appealing to SRG, and now the fact that SRG is locked makes it hard to appeal to SRG. 167.205.23.115 (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK so now you want a different page changed, is this what you are trying to have done? — xaosflux  Talk 16:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * THIS is what I'm talking about. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 00:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, well in that case: ❌. We promote sandbox edits to production, not test cases to production. — xaosflux  Talk 01:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

While I agree 167.205.23.115 did a bad job communicating their changes, I think I understand what they want and have coded it in MediaWiki talk:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-range/sandbox and MediaWiki talk:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-ip/sandbox. Is there any objection to that going live? Reactivating edit request * Pppery * it has begun... 16:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Can you point to where this changed, and this is an attempt to restore something here? This entire discussion is going in circles. Also, MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake isn't a very good message here and may confuses users - as there are plenty of global blocks that don't have anything to do with proxies (which are almost always blocked locally here and could not be dealt with upstream anyway). That is sort of unique here at enwiki, where proxies are aggressively blocked locally and would require a local IPBE to get around. — xaosflux  Talk 18:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If there is something that broke, please point to the breaking diff so we can look in to what is going on and if there are other things broken. If someone just wants to improve some local message to talk about how to handle proxy blocks here on the English Wikipedia, the guidance at Open proxies would be immensely better to our users. — xaosflux  Talk 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The "breaking" diff was the move I implemented above. As a result of the message key being renamed and the local messages not being updated for a time the message actually displayed to globally blocked users was the default instead of any customizations. And, after expanding the internal messages, the default is:  The block was made by $1. The reason given is $2. Your current IP address is $3.
 * Start of block: $8
 * Expiry of block: $6

This does include a link to content about open proxies, and that content is not present in the current customization, and this request is requesting it be added. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Ah ok, well go for it then. Ideally these users will be seeing multiple block messages (and yup that is broken in places too, esp on mobile) - with the local block telling them to deal with proxy blocks here. — xaosflux  Talk 15:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)