MediaWiki talk:Newpages-summary

Secure link
Please change  to   so that users of the secure server are not moved to the non-secure server needlessly. Thanks.&mdash;C45207 | Talk 09:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Patrolled reminder
editprotected

Is it possible to add something along the lines of the uw-patrolled template...

Hi. Thank you for your help with the vital work of patrolling new pages! Since you appear to be relatively new user and have not been marking new pages you review as patrolled, I was just wondering if you knew about this facility and its purpose. At Special:Newpages, pages that have not been patrolled are shown in yellow highlight, to indicate they have not been reviewed (and as "unreviewed when using Special:NewPagesFeed a/k/a page curation). It may be a good idea to use the "mark this page as patrolled" link at the bottom of the new page if you think you have performed the standard patrolling tasks and do not wish a second opinion. Where appropriate, doing so saves time and work by informing fellow patrollers of your review of the page, so that they do not duplicate efforts. Thanks again for volunteering your time at the new pages patrol project.

...to the top of the Special:Newpages to remind editors to mark pages that they have patrolled as such? More and more recently I find myself "duplicating efforts". Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Nothing to deploy here yet. Please read the edit protected documentation. I did toy around for a minute, but adding that to the current content makes this introduction to Special:NewPages almost double in height. More than I think many editors would find acceptable. Please prepare an exact design (you can use a personal sandbox or something). If you think it might be controversial, notify the Village Pump. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 20:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed addition
See MediaWiki_messages Gigs (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ some time ago. Rd232 talk 14:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

"Moments after creation"
I just noticed "don't demolish the house while it's still being built: articles should not be tagged for speedy deletion as having no context (CSD A1) or no content (CSD A3) moments after creation." This is plain old bad advice. What's it doing in here?? Friday (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with that myself...if an article comes out with a title "Blue sunshine" and content of "blue", I don't see why it can't be tagged as no context...it just doesn't make sense to wait any amount of time to tag it. It's usually easy to tell the difference between when it's a house being built and when it's just a board on the ground. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 17:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps in those contexts, you're right. But there is some amount of tagging, such as for references, that happens to soon. Maurreen (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I would never tag A1 or A3 for no references unless the content wouldn't stand without them (i.e. if the article I created here had the sentence "Howard B. Bluestein is a meteorologist", no infobox, and no references, I would tag as A1 because it would be lacking sufficient context to identify exactly which meteorologist he is) and would probably userify a list of references only rather than tag as A1. I don't know...I've never really understood why we need to wait on A1 or A3, because from when I first started new page patrolling, I thought they were specifically meant for new articles with no context or no content. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The advice exists because we don't want to put off new content creators who've saved an early draft. The idea is to avoid tagging such articles within the first, say, 15 minutes. The type of articles we're talking about do not need to be deleted immediately (unlike G10), so a slight delay is aimed at not WP:BITEing newcomers. Rd232 talk 19:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, perhaps creating Help:New page patrolling (or would it be better placed at New page patrolling guidelines?) would be a good idea. I'm not sure...there's so much to say that I think it could stand to have a help page of some kind with a link in the notice, cause otherwise the notice is just going to get complicated. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 17:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, well ok 15 minutes is fine...the way it's phrased currently I've always taken it to mean we should wait a couple three days...would it be a good idea to put in the 15 minute guideline rather than "moments after creation"? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "15 minutes" works for me. Maurreen (talk) 21:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No set timeframe helps guide people toward the right behavior. If the article might turn into useful content, it's good to let it be for a while.  But as soon as it becomes clear that the article is not headed toward being useful content, it's time for it to go away.  It probably puts the newbies off more to have them spend substantial time on an article that's going to be deleted.  If the content is crap, it's best gotten rid of quickly.  When in doubt, userfying is a good in-between option.  But this "wait 15 minutes" stuff is just more bad advice.  Friday (talk) 22:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should try and elaborate a bit more on this, more than we can in the MediaWiki notice itself. For instance, to talk about userfication and also uw-draftfirst. Is there somewhere suitable for guidelines for New Page Patrol, which could be linked from the MediaWiki notice? Rd232 talk 14:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, perhaps creating Help:New page patrolling (or would it be better placed at New page patrolling guidelines?) would be a good idea. I'm not sure...there's so much to say that I think it could stand to have a help page of some kind with a link in the notice, cause otherwise the notice is just going to get complicated. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 17:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it could be a separate short-and-sweet summary page; or maybe an extra, brief "Overview" section in New pages patrol would make sense. The latter should really be linked from the MediaWiki notice anyway, shouldn't it? Rd232 talk 18:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I concur that this should not be in the new pages instructions. With due respect to Rd232, this suggestion (it's not a requirement and never has been) would best be placed in a page such as Help:Guide to new page patrolling. Linking essays (or even just referring to the titles of essays) from this page gives a misleading impression that they enjoy consensus and that they are instructions. WP:DEMOLISH exists, but so do WP:BUILDER, WP:REALPROBLEM, and WP:BEEF. Stifle (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please pay more attention to what you are doing. The reference to not applying A1 and A3 prematurely had been there since 3 December 2009 until you started removing it because of my adding mention of a relevant essay. (And BTW I only added the essay in order to give the line a snappy summary, not to somehow promote the essay.) Rd232 talk 16:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, WP:BUILDER and WP:REALPROBLEM are not addressed at New Page Patrollers, they're aimed at content creators; so they're not really relevant here. WP:BEEF, on the other hand, is a variation of WP:DEMOLISH. Bottom line, well-established helpful essays are well-established helpful essays, not guidelines or policies, and we should be able to mention them if relevant. However, linking New pages patrol would be better, for brevity. But again, in an improved New pages patrol, with a new Overview section, mentioning those essays is perfectly reasonable, at least as See Alsos. So anyway, can you re-add the A1/A3 mention, and put in a link to New pages patrol? Rd232 talk 16:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How's this? Stifle (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * inelegant - the phrase you object to served a purpose. But fine, whatever, it's OK. Rd232 talk 15:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

remove reference to template
Please delete the phrase " consider new unreviewed article instead. ". According to the template talk, new unreviewed article is intended to indicate someone is using the New Article Wizard.
 * The time spent tagging the article could be better spent reviewing it.
 * The mark page as patrolled link doesn't appear unless the editor accesses the page from the New Pages special page. So it's not clear what a user coming onto the page from elsewhere is supposed to do with the tag.
 * The mark page as patrolled link doesn't appear unless the editor accesses the page from the New Pages special page. So the new page patroller already knows it's a new page.
 * The time spent by the new page patroller cold be better spent reviewing another page rather than having to edit the page to remove the tag. (And with a one month backlog this would be a good thing.) Gerardw (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:31, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

English grammar
Could an sysop fix the grammar like instead of "don't bite the newcomers" we put "Don't bite the newcomers". I saw lots. EBE123 talkContribs 20:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? It's not the start of a new sentence, and the other clauses start with lower case.Gerardw (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request
I think there should be a notice alerting people about The new page Triage.--Breawycker (talk to me!) 00:34, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please specify the exact wording you would like adding. Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 09:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Please add a note saying that attack pages (CSD G10) must be blanked. Also the note about proposed deletion of unreferenced BLPs des not have correct punctuation, "Twinkle is recommended for this; or see template:prod blp for manual tagging instructions;" must be changed to "Twinkle is recommended for this, or see template:prod blp for manual tagging instructions;" jfd34 ( talk ) 14:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Anomie⚔ 16:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

code controls the highlights visible for sysop and normal user
Could you please help me to point out where the codes show up the yellow highlight for identified user's newpages patrol and sysop's patrol. Thanks.--Cheers! (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 October 2015
Add a sentence about redirects created from page moves, which do not appear in the list.

GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:10, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This sounds a bit like instruction creep to me. Plus, you would need to say the actual wording that you wanted to be added. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 15:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 August 2016
I am requesting that the phrase  be removed from the section about BLPPRODding unsourced BLPs, because all articles seen through Special:NewPages were created after March 18, 2010. P p p er y (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've adjusted this line, but made it clear it was for newly created pages, don't want people to point this notice as a policy statement in regards to old pages. — xaosflux  Talk 15:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 16 December 2016

 * Please change: "A preference option that hides patrolled new pages by default is available at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc."
 * To: "A preference option that hides patrolled new pages by default is available at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc. An alternative script is available for the same."
 * Thanks. Lourdes  17:02, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * See next section - if we are going to add this in here we don't need multiple copies to your user script. — xaosflux  Talk 14:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks. But these are different scripts, and not the same scripts referred to in both these messages. Lourdes  14:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * . Lourdes  14:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, undid the notdone; will leave open for some more comments. I'm not really comfortable with using interface messages to advertise personal scripts that are intended to be linked (as you could change the script at any time).  Perhaps this could be published as a Gadget though? —  xaosflux  Talk 15:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Just a clarification. I'm okay with the script being transferred to any other page away from my .js space (assuming the issue might be to this being perceived as a personal script). Also, the Gadget idea sounds very good. I'll leave a note at the relevant page for that. Lourdes  16:52, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * hows this - can I fully protect your two script pages (preventing you from changing it) as a stop-gap while you wait to see if this moves to a gadget? You would need to fill out edit requests for your own page if updates are needed. —  xaosflux  Talk 02:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , how would you consider the following option. You may fully protect both the pages right now. I would suggest that if the scripts have been fully protected, we may include them in the interface message as requested till the time my request to include them as gadgets is accepted. Does that sound sensible? I'll go as per your suggestion. Thanks for taking the time out to review this. Lourdes  03:02, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, if they become gadgets we will need to update this again to point to the gadgets and the protection will not be needed. — xaosflux  Talk 03:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 03:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 16 December 2016

 * Please change: "Page Curation, is a feature-rich purpose built system to review new pages. Try it. Before patrolling pages for the first time, be sure to have read and fully understood the instructions at New Pages Patrol."
 * To: "Page Curation is a feature-rich purpose built system to review new pages. Try it. A script for accessing the Page Curation tool is also available. Before patrolling pages for the first time, be sure to have read and fully understood the instructions at New Pages Patrol."
 * Thanks. Lourdes  17:09, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 03:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Update request

 * In MediaWiki:Newpages-summary, the line " An alternative script is available for the same. " may be changed to " An alternative script is available for the same. "

The documentation page is better worded than the script page itself in the directions to install the script. Thanks and cheers. Lourdes 14:34, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Update request

 * In MediaWiki:Newpages-summary, the line " A script for accessing the Page Curation tool is also available. " may be changed to " A script for accessing the Page Curation tool is also available. "

The documentation page is better worded than the script page itself in the directions to install the script. Thanks and cheers. Lourdes 10:21, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * (Pinging who had handled the previous request.  Lourdes  )
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 May 2017
Please remove newly created from the bit about BLPproding, per WT:BLPPROD P p p er y 20:01, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 20:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Features only avaliable to patrollers
An issue was reported at Help desk. It appears that only users with the  user right (Administrators and New page reviewers at Special:ListGroupRights) see yellow highligting at Special:NewPages and have the option mentioned in: "A preference option that hides patrolled new pages by default is available at Special:Preferences. An alternative script is available for the same." I suggest we explain this or hide the description of the two features for others. I don't know how the mentioned script works for others. A search [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=intitle%3Acss+prefix%3AMediaWiki%3AGroup&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns8=1] finds pages like MediaWiki:Group-autoconfirmed.css which are used to display text which is hidden from others. I guess that would work here but I don't have experience with it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's quite deliberate that the yellow highligting is only viosible to admins and accredited Reviewers. The description of the highlighting should also be made invisible in order to avoid people thinking it's a bug. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This should be able to be done, right now the only show/hide groups are:

.sysop .accountcreator .templateeditor .extendedmover .autoconfirmed
 * We could create one for, then wrap sections NOT to show to others like in MediaWiki:Watchlist-summary. Is that what you want? —  xaosflux  Talk 16:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I had in mind. I just wasn't sure how to do it. I guess create MediaWiki:Group-patroller.css, update MediaWiki:Common.css, and wrap the text in . By the way, MediaWiki:Group-accountcreator.css was deleted in 2015 so MediaWiki:Common.css should maybe omit reference to that. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, and  text is hidable for non-patrollers now.  I hid the FIRST fmbox as an example, this is live and tested.  Note, some portions of this page SHOULD be shown to anyone (including anonymous users) to explain what the page is about, you can now go about picking the parts that should or should not be shown.  As possible, minimize the number of hide classes by grouping sections together, the more of these there are the more likely there will be page jumping. —  xaosflux  Talk 16:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 December 2018
In the third bullet point "Attack pages (CSD G10) must be blanked", to aid new administrators and those considering a request for adminship, a link to the definition of page blanking "Wikipedia:Page_blanking" would be helpful: change "blanked" to " blanked ". Hedles (talk) 22:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ — xaosflux  Talk 23:58, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 May 2019
Please replace

<li>A preference option that hides patrolled new pages by default is available at Special:Preferences. An alternative script is available for the same.</li>

with

<li class="sysop-show patroller-show">A preference option that hides patrolled new pages by default is available at Special:Preferences. An alternative script is available for the same.</li>

to hide the note from users who aren't new page reviewers or administrators, since they don't have access to that preference option, nor can they filter the feed by patrolled vs unpatrolled. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 May 2019
Please replace

<li>New files do not appear here (only pages created without a corresponding local file). You can see and patrol new files at Special:NewFiles.</li>

with

<li>New files do not appear here (only pages created without a corresponding local file). You can see and patrol new files at Special:NewFiles.</li>

This hides the "and patrol" text from users who aren't new page reviewers or admins, since such users can't patrol pages. Pinging, who helped with a similar request above. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:47, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 13 August 2019
Please remove obsolete HTML by changing

to

— Anomalocaris (talk) 09:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 23 September 2021
If purpose built is a compound adjective that modifies the following noun, use a hyphen. (purpose-built)

For a log of recently patrolled pages see Special:Log/patrol. Possibly missing comma found. pages, EthanGaming7640 (talk) 17:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ - regarding "purpose-built", your note about a possible comma to change is not clear - please be specific and open a new ER if needed. — xaosflux  Talk 18:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 9 February 2023
Please change to Before patrolling pages for the first time  to avoid using red in an interface message unnecessarily. Thanks! HouseBlastertalk 02:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ subst'd it in. — xaosflux  Talk 14:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 November 2023
Swap out the link to User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages for User:Schminnte/PageCuration as the forked actively maintained version of the same script. Sohom (talk) 18:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ without any actual "endorsement" of the alternative version. — xaosflux  Talk 18:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yellow?
After touching the message from Special:NewPages, it appears that there is a text saying that unreviewed pages are marked as yellow. Why I can't see the yellow marking? Toadette (Happy holiday!) 11:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Because only New Page Reviewers have the right to see it. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)