MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-footer-anon

Where to discuss
Is there anywhere to discuss modification of this template? Gdo01 22:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Right here on this talk page is a good start. If you don't get any response then try one of the village pumps.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Links to online tools
The links to online tools didn't work. Please replace all instances of " " with " ", thanks! Korg (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. That "feature" was annoying. -- BigDT  ( 416 ) 23:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

DNSstuff.com not working
This applies to the WHOIS and RDNS links. Seems they want $3/mo now... --192.75.48.150 15:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The sites linked to now seems to work. Seems we changed to other sites since your comment.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

We are currently using DNSstuff.com for the Traceroute link. I have two issues with this. One is that DNSstuff.com is requiring registration, and even though I registered for their trial in March 2013 and their parent SolarWinds emailed me as recently as August 2015, they now do not recognize my email address in their Username field on their login page (only my Username, which still works). My second issue is that, with IPV6 addresses such as 2602:306:BD61:E0F0:D45F:D14F:90AC:5DBA, it is linked to http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#traceroute/type=ipv4&&value=2602:306:BD61:E0F0:D45F:D14F:90AC:5DBA&&, which specifically mentions "type=ipv4" and doesn't provide a traceroute. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#traceroute|type=ipv6&&value=2602:306:BD61:E0F0:D45F:D14F:90AC:5DBA (created with manual input on their tools page) doesn't provide a traceroute, either. :( It works with actual IPV4 addresses (although the trailing "&&" is superfluous).  Do we have an IPV6 alternative?   —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   19:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Fmbox
Should MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon be updated to use fmbox?

-- WOSlinker (talk) 17:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ Done - Thanks for suggesting this, it was about time. I didn't use the class name since the id works for CSS styling too, and the id is better for javascript. (I should probably explain that in the fmbox documentation.) I did a search and I found no usage of the class.
 * I moved your signature to below the code you suggested, for clarity. I hope you don't mind?
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

geolocate
Have you thought about changing http://www.ip2location.com/$1 to http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=$1 as seen in MediaWiki:Checkuser-toollinks? The latter appears not to have a 20/day limit. ―cobaltcigs 13:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
The F in "Rangeblock finder" and the C in "Global contributions" are not capitalised, but the B in "Global Blocks" is set off in uppercase. I suggest a rendition as "Global blocks", because that's the pattern interface messages are usually formatted. --Theurgist (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's actually Template:Anontools that produces this, but I'll make the change for you. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:24, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from LikeLakers2
Change  to , to remove the link to the file page. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 18:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Skier Dude  ( talk ) 22:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * - You may only unlink images that are public domain. Pretty much all other licenses demand attribution of the image author, and many of the license also demand that the name of the license should be stated too. File:User-info.svg User-info.svg has the GPL license so it must be linked to the image page for attribution and for telling that it is the GPL license.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 04:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Whois is broken for RIPE addresses
e.g. http://toolserver.org/~chm/whois.php?ip=84.62.68.124 I suggest to change the whois service since that problem is known since some days (service owner notified some days ago but not fixed until now). To: http://toolserver.org/~overlordq/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?lookup=84.62.68.124 Have done that in Commons. Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 17:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not changed, current link is ok Petrb (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, you are right, fixed Petrb (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I used the RIPE whois page to get the utrace.de link for geolocation. I prefered their geolocation (http://en.utrace.de/?query=84.62.68.124) because the server faster and it is easier to copy the provider, host and location than http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/84.62.68.124 or http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=84.62.68.124. Now that RIPE is gone, could we add utrace.de as an alternate for the geolocation? Joja lozzo  14:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Links to African Network Information Center (AFRINIC) database broken
Sample link From the bug:
 * The talk pages and user contributions of every IP address contributing to Wikimedia Foundation wikis has a template with links to websites with information relating to WHOIS, rDNS, traceroute, geolocation, currents blocks, global contributions, a tor checker, and the five RIRs (regional internet registries). The African Network Information Center has recently changed their website, and our link to their database is broken as a result. Additionally, OverlordQ's WHOIS tool on the Toolserver doesn't correctly display what organization African IP addresses belong to, and instead says that the IPs belong to the African Network Information Center.

(note that I've resolved the bugzilla bug invalid since I reported the problem here.) -- ☠ MarkAHershberger ☢ (talk) ☣ 18:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've mentioned this problem at Village pump (technical). Graham 87 12:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I wrote a little script on Toolserver to resolve this issue.
 * See relevant template talk page. --Dereckson (talk) 01:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Part of IP address appearing below contributions
This could probably be fixed by adding a pipe at the start of the seventh line: }}{{fmbox Peter&#160;E.&#160;James (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Change of wording
adminhelp The current wording:

"Please note: these are the contributions from an unregistered user editing from an IPv6 address."

makes the assumption that the user doesn't have an account, which is misleading, may be incorrect, and should be changed to:

"Please note: these are the contributions from an IPv6 address from a user who is not logged in to an account." (or something similar)

Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct. Your text was fine, but I thought it was too long given the size of the banner (that it would stretch people's pages or wrap). I don't see why we need to indicate this anyway – it's fairly tacit. It's rather incredible that it took 2½ days for someone to look at this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have done it, but I was at least able to find this page for Dru of Id. mabdul 08:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Rm message about registration ... at least for logged in users anyway
I find it a bit odd that we display the "If you are an IP user, you may create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other IP users. Registering also hides your IP address." text for everyone, even if you're already logged in. May I suggest that the message either be removed entirely, or hidden for logged in users? Additionally, for this tweak to work, maybe it should also instead say "for an anonymous user, identified by their IP address" ViperSnake151   Talk  15:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. It only displays for the contribs of an IP user. The contribs for a logged-in user have MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer, not this box. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Global Contributions
This thing still links to toolserver. Could it be updated to use //tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/globalcontribs.php?username= ? It's designed to handle IPv6 addresses.— cyberpower Chat Offline 05:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The edit needs to be made to the subtemplates of Template:Anontools, not here. (That's Template:Anontools/ipv4 and Template:Anontools/ipv6.) Could you sandbox it over there and make a new edit request? Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'm still half asleep right now, so I'll do it later.— cyberpower  Chat Limited Access 12:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Link to RIPs: Asia-Pacific
Hello. Currently, this link is defined as " http:// www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl?searchtext=$1", but maybe " http:// wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl?searchtext=$1" is correct. Please revise it. (Template:Anontools/ipv4 and Template:Anontools/ipv6.)--Freetrashbox (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Whois is asking for CAPTCHA
Seems like the current whois tool (http://whois.domaintools.com/) is now asking for CAPTCHA every time when it's used. If changed, I found few other nice sites: ip-tracker.org and ip-lookup.net. --Stryn (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not just use https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois like others wikis instead of third-party websites full of ads? Plus it supports IPv6. Thibaut120094 (talk) 05:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, sure, didn't remember this one. Some admin, please change the link. --Stryn (talk) 12:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seconded.  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   15:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

So, what need to be edited are Template:Anontools/ipv4 and Template:Anontools/ipv6. Replace those old whois addresses with  I have the ability to edit those templates as a steward, but I won't do it :), so adding a editprotected template if some admin could do it. --Stryn (talk) 17:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 23:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The labs tool is very cool but isn't giving us the info we need. With Domaintools the school name sometimes shows up as the "ASN", and on the labs tool ASN links to the ARIN WHOIS site, which also doesn't indicate that we're working with a school. Example: Domaintools vs wmflabs and ARIN. So everytime I go to block an IP, if the labs tool doesn't say it's a school or some institution, I end up going back to Domaintools to double-check. In my opinion it's worth the time putting in the captcha to get the full information, so I've boldly restored the domaintools link for now. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, I've been talking to the WMF about offering admins login credentials for domaintools so we don't get the captcha or daily usage limit. Not sure if this will really happen but they seemed interested, thought I'd mention it here. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Slight tweak to the wording of the anonymous contributions and talk page footers
Please change "Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users" to "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users" in this footer and at the talk page footer based on the RfC below. I can place an template on that talk page as well if required. - Vanstrat ((🗼)) 15:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Both edited. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Should the wording of these footers be changed to "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users" instead of "Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users"? - Vanstrat (talk) 22:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * "Some" often carries the connotation that there are few of something compared to another. For example: take the phrase "there are some street lights in the city that are burnt out, but the majority are working fine". "May" can also carry a similar unhelpful connotation, for example: "there may be some street lights in the city that are burnt out, but the majority are working fine".


 * In this way, saying "some IP addresses change periodically" is therefore a bit misleading considering "that the portion of dynamic IP addresses in the Internet is by no means negligible". Considering that the point of our message is to convey to an IP user why they should create an account, using "some" in this footer seems like an inaccurate and poor choice of wording that might lead to the opposite outcome.


 * In addition, since users "typically connect to the Internet through network address translation" which means a public IP typically has multiple private IPs (multiple devices/users) associated with it regardless of whether it's a private connection at home, public wifi connection, enterprise connection, etc... Saying it "may be shared by several users", although not technically incorrect, can also infer a lower number which does not help our case for creating an account. One of the only situations I could think of where one IP definitely leads to only one device/user is in the situation of a mobile phone... but then I realized that nowadays those can even be used as a mobile hotspot powering multiple devices/users. As an example, think of the times in which you are editing wikipedia and how many of them are over an IP address shared by multiple users.


 * Vanstrat (talk) 22:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Survey

 * Support as proposer. - Vanstrat (talk) 23:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Ruslik_ Zero 20:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Jc86035 (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Seems reasonable. Most IPs do change, so saying that some do is somewhat untrue As Vanstrat says, saying "some" IPs change implies that many or most IPs do not change, which, as I said, is not true.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 16:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, overall a reasonable change of wording, but the pedant in me would like to point out that IP addresses never actually change, they are reassigned. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:23, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe the reference is to the fact that the IP address assignment changes, not that the IP address itself is somehow changing. Reassigned could also work but might make the statement more confusing than it's worth. - Vanstrat ((🗼)) 17:34, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Add IPCheck?
I noticed commons uses ipcheck in this template (under proxy checker) - should we? Disclosure: I'm the primary developer for IPCheck. SQL Query me! 02:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, this has been implemented by at Template:Anontools/ipv4 in Special:Diff/952903916. I was positively surprised and add a late support to this discussion. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Xtools edit count link for IPs
Please consider adding the Xtools edit count link that registered users have (example). Also, the "Articles created" and "Edit summary search" links are missing, which theoretically could be useful for long-standing IPs.

Xtools stats are very useful for analyzing problematic IPs. I was directed here from: Village pump (technical). --Pudeo (talk) 06:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ at Template_talk:Anontools ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit request 5 October 2022
Description of suggested change:

Diff: Brax00 (talk) 14:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC) Hi
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. (@Brax00) (non-admin closure) lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)