Module talk:College color/Archive 1

Secondary colors
For purposes of legibility it seems a good a rule of thumb to if at all possible make the second color white, or, if that be untenable as a school color, and the first is a shade of Princeton orange or lighter, then black. Cake (talk) 09:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for template protection
I was asked to consider adding template protection to this page, with the arguments summarized as follows:
 * 1) Some edit wars have occurred on this page
 * 2) A sockpuppet has previously edited this page.
 * 3) The colors of hundreds of schools could be compromised by this one page, impacting a lot of pages (exactly number not readily available as this page is generically included in templates also used by pro players)

Relevant points from Protection policy are:
 * 1) WP:TEMP-P: Template protection "should only be used on templates whose risk factor would have otherwise warranted full protection."
 * 2) *Full protection would not be warranted here for content disputes. Full protection would normally be temporary in this case, and not indefinite.  Moreover, WP:FULL advises: "Isolated incidents of edit warring, and persistent edit warring by particular users, may be better addressed by blocking, so as not to prevent normal editing of the page by others."
 * 3) *If socking were a concern, semi-protection would be used, not full.
 * 4) *Full protection is not typically used to prevent vandalism. Per WP:PREEMPTIVE: "Pre-emptive full protection of articles is contrary to the open nature of Wikipedia ... Persistent vandalism, or the possibility of future vandalism for highly trafficked articles, rarely provides a basis for full-protection. Semi-protection is used for articles, such as Jesus, that have a pattern of heavy sustained vandalism."
 * 5) TEMP-P also allows for usage on high-risk templates or modules. Indications are that for this data page, the worst that is expected to happen is that the wrong colors might appear, and the text in the colored borders of affected infoboxes could be made unreadable by a rogue editor. This is not at the risk level of making 1000s of pages entirely unreadable, or placing an undue load on servers.

My decision for the current request is for no template protection, based on policy cited. Incorrect colors seem to be the most likely risk of not providing template protection, but this seems akin to the risk inherent for any content on Wikipedia that might be temporarily incorrect until it is detected and addressed.

To mitigate edit wars, I would suggest improving the verifiability of the colors used. One option might be to annotate the page with comments—perhaps of urls supporting the choicef colors—in the Lua code. Comments are denoted by double dashes, e.g. --, such as in this sandbox edit. If an individual editor is still problematic despite continued dispute resolution attempts, a topic ban is also an option. Finally, temporary full protection remains an alternative if needed to encourage discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 02:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Houston Cougars hex colors
Please see the following: and. These links were found by searching "Houston Cougars brand identity" and "University of Houston brand identity" using Google, and both represent official statements of the university's brand identity (current marketing industry catchphrase).

Please note that the two links provide two different Hex colors for Houston Cougar red. I have no idea what the difference is, but I would suggest that some reading of the fine print of the text at both links may provide an answer, or it may be two different ways of describing the same color. That said, the resolution needs to be discussed on this talk page before making any further changes. I don't pretend to know. But please stop edit warring on the module or I will request all parties be blocked. The overriding goal should be the accurate presentation of the Houston Cougar brand and its colors on Wikipedia. Let's keep that in mind. I think that's what everyone wants. If it takes a couple of days of discussion, and perhaps a phone call to the 713 area code, to resolve the question, so be it. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There is also this page. You won't have to worry about me doing any more editing on the module, or most other articles for that matter, because I'm getting sick of this. BTW, your pings didn't work. Corkythe hornetfan  22:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

ETSU source
Didn't notice we had to add a link for color additions so here's ETSU's. Perhaps y'all should mention sourcing on page, rather than expect editors to know this? —  Wylie pedia  19:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We're working on a new system for documenting the hex colors for each team.  In the past, we have had problems with sock puppets and vandals messing with college and pro sports team colors on an article-by-article basis.  Now that we have all of the colors for individual teams increasingly tied to this module, we need to do a better job of documenting the colors for each and reviewing any changes to them.


 * FYI, here's another statement of ETSU's official colors, including the hex colors for internet/website use: (see page 2.5).  Most major universities have now taken an interest in promulgating an official "graphic identity," including colors and logos, etc.  Note the ETSU graphics manual refers to HTML colors rather than hex colors.  Thanks for your cooperation.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Charleston source
Here has the hex/pantones for Charleston's maroon and gold. Cake (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help in documenting the Charleston colors. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Clemson Tigers source
Here is the source for the Clemson Tigers' official athletic department colors: Clemson Athletics Style & Branding Guide Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Improve redundancy and verifiability
You've been directly pinged as the editors with > 10 edits of this page. I'll also leave notification at WT:CBBALL and WP:CFB, projects that have infoboxes that use this module.

There seems to be occasional disputes over individual color entries in the table. To minimize these disagreements, I would suggest for long-term verifiabiity that inline comments be used when adding or modifying a line. This can be done in Lua by using double dashes, e.g. --, such as in this sandbox edit. For example, the comment can be the URL of an online reference, and/or text about how the colors were derived. In the past, this has sometimes been provided in an edit summary, but it's not manageable to trace through edit summaries for historical changes.

Additionally, the college colors on this page seem to be duplicated in other infoboxes. For example, the infobox of Ohio State Buckeyes football has the school colors displayed, except the values are not taken from this module. To centralize the colors and remove the overhead of multiple updates, I would suggest that CollegePrimaryHex and CollegeSecondaryHex be used to avoid colors not being consistent across pages.

I am Interested if editors think these steps would be an improvement, or if there are better suggestions. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Bagumba, if you want to this module in the infobox, you will need a way to keep the name of the color in sync with the color (e.g., color1 and color1hex). this is certainly possible by extending this module to include color names.  a better option would be to just have Infobox NCAA football school use this module directly, extracting the team name from the TeamName parameter. Frietjes (talk) 14:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Great suggestion to just have the infoboxes coded to call the module itself instead of burdening editors to have to have to call CollegePrimaryHex and CollegeSecondaryHex themselves. I'd imaging there are some transclusions where the text for the colors might be different than what is currently in this table.  Those cases, which should be few, would just have to be identified manually on a per-case basis.  I'll leave it up to others if they want to have the text for the colors stored in this table or not.  I guess a bot could do the transferring, if desired?—Bagumba (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a very good idea, and it is the logical expansion of the module's applications. One verified source for college colors in all college sports articles, infoboxes, and navboxes.  The problem, Bagumba, is that it will mean that even more articles are exposed to mischief-making through tampering with the module.  I'm all in favor of Frietjes' proposal, but the module needs to be locked as I have urged before, which is completely consistent with the purpose and intents of template protection.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * DL: You can continue your concerns with protection above at, and feel free to invite other admins to participate as well.—Bagumba (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that would be appropriate. In the mean time, we should also take the necessary steps to implement the inline linked sourcing within the Lua module.  That, at least, would permit any watchers to instantly check any changes to the module.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think this is a worthwile proposal. I am tired of having reverts blowing up my watchlist (Usually by Corky and he is in the right to do so because he is actually verifying the others' work). When I have edited the table I usually put the source url in the edit summary, and if I can't find it for a team, I don't add the program to the mod. I suppose many others don't, so if this will cut down on the clutter great.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I really have no preference as to what is decided. As I said on Dirtlawyer1's talk page, do what's best for the Wikipedia Community. Whatever that may be, I'm fine with. Corkythe hornetfan  18:51, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Corky: As the top editor by edit count of this page, you could set an example by adding the suggested comments if you think they are helpful. I rarely edit this module, and have no interest in force-feeding or policing this myself if there is no grassroots interest.  IMO, the editors here could reduce the repeated disputes if they wanted to, but maybe it's not considered a real issue.—Bagumba (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Bagumba, what we need is someone knowledgeable to show us how to set up the inline linked citations for the Lua module, so we can implement your suggestion. This needs to happen for the reasons discussed above.  I think Corky is tired of playing the Lone Ranger.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I was thinking something like this sandbox edit, which is based on the both the earlier instructions on adding generic comments and a recent real life edit of Sacramento State's colors.—Bagumba (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I was hoping for something a little cleaner, with an actual link to the online reference for the current colors.  Like in the table, next to the hexes, in order to make double-checking any changes as quick, easy and simple as possible.  Let's see what  may suggest; this is her baby, after all.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:54, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If programatic changes were made, we could graduate from comments to an optional ref for a row entry. Will people use it?—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Darn right they will, or their changes are going to get reverted -- and it won't only be Corky doing the reverting. This really needs to be done right, and not jury-rigged.  With all of the work Frietjes and others have done to get the module up and running, and fully incorporated into the first phase of our college sports infoboxes (with more to come), the module really needs to be properly sourced and defended.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with verifying colors with a source. Whether it be using references or comments, I'll support it. Corkythe hornetfan  20:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're a good man, Corky Hornet! Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * whatever works for everyone. if you want to be able to access the source url within the demonstration table, it should be a parameter in the array, for example, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACollege_color%2Fdata%2Fsandbox&type=revision&diff=688065409&oldid=686271585 like this], or whatever you want to call it.  the code only parses the values for 1, 2, 3, 4 (at the moment) so adding additional fields won't do or break anything.  note that if we want to add the color names as well, we could do that with say, 'name1=', 'name2=', ...  the color names would be useful if we have an infobox automatically pull the colors from this module (to keep the name/hex in sync). Frietjes (talk) 12:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of using Template:CollegePrimaryHex and Template:CollegeSecondaryHex in college sports team articles. It would save many edits, which I think is the point of this discussion. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

North Dakota athletics
I've gone ahead and updated the name for the University of North Dakota. Before my, it read "North Dakota". Now it says "North Dakota Fighting Hawks" per their announcement today (Nov. 18). The source for the black is here. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 20:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Dartmouth sources
Well since others are posting them here, here ya go: Corkythe hornetfan  22:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Dartmouth Big Green – Athletics website (only PMS and CMYK/RGB codes); University website (same as Athletics website, but with the hex code
 * 2) Brown Bears – Source 1, Source 2
 * 3) Harvard University/Harvard Crimson – Source 1 (Crimson), Source 2 (Accent color w/Crimson; found on most guidelines at the university) {Source 3, Source 4}
 * 4) Liberty University/Liberty Flames and Lady Flames – Source
 * 5) UMass Lowell River Hawks/University of Massachusetts Lowell – Source
 * 6) Mississippi State Bulldogs – Source
 * 7) IPFW Mastodons – Source
 * 8) St. Cloud State University/St. Cloud State Huskies – Source
 * 9) Ball State University/Ball State Cardinals – Source
 * 10) Bentley University/Bentley Falcons – Source
 * 11) University of Illinois at Chicago/UIC Flames – Source
 * 12) Saint Louis University/Saint Louis Billikens – Source
 * 13) Charleston Southern Buccaneers – Source
 * Thanks, Corky. Because of your earlier efforts in sourcing and requesting sources from other editors, we're able to take another step.  I will follow up with Frietjes regarding how the online sources should best be incorporated into the module itself.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The sooner, the better. I really don't want to be listing all of my sources here or in the edit summary and make the edit. That's TOO much work! If it can be done all in one edit, I'll be a happy camper! Until then, I guess I'll just add them under this section. Corkythe hornetfan  00:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * All 3 programs are among those that need work in season articles. Are they an interest of yours Corky, or just feel they are important enough to post here? I have to imagine Swede Oberlander was fun to watch. Cake (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not an interest, just going through NCAA conferences... I was doing Ivy League. I figured y'all was posting here, and I'm sure someone will question check my edits, so I figured I'd just post them here to save the trouble. Corkythe hornetfan  19:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * From Frietjes' earlier response, she seems to be suggesting that we add whatever new parameters for which there is consensus, and she will process them as we desire (e.g. add url for display, make names of colors available, etc). Adding them ahead of time before she implements it, as she said, "won't do or break anything". Therefore, there is no need to make her the bottleneck.—Bagumba (talk) 02:19, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * & : Do we have an update yet? 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 22:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest being bold, as this is unnecessarily bottlenecked for ... I'm not exactly sure what. Frietjes provided this sample above.  Maybe we call it "ref" instead of "url"?  Or I see that Harvard has multiple sources, so maybe "ref", "ref2", "ref3", ... "refX" would work.   There's no right or wrong, and it's not the end of the world if we need to change it later.  I rarely edit this page, so I don't have a big stake in this.  Others being more frequent editors, think of what makes your editing life easier and how to mitigate any past disputes.—Bagumba (talk) 22:20, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll be bold. I do favor the idea of putting these colors in the infobox and just update them here... it would save a lot of time! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 22:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm surprised the talk page updates lasted for as long as they did.—Bagumba (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If people think it's helpful, we can add an edit notice that pops up advising people to add references. First, can you update Module:College color/data/doc with the format that you are going to use? Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 23:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd go for the edit notice... that way it's there and if a person gets reverted, then we can't say we didn't warn them! I'll try and update the /doc soon with what I'll do. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 00:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This notice should now show up when editing: Template:Editnotices/Page/Module:College color/data.—Bagumba (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * IMO, we need at least one source, but no more than two... unless others disagree. Not sure if this is what you meant, but I think you get the point... I hope! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 02:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * updated the table code, and added a couple demonstration refs taken from this page. the only potential problem would be if the size of the data page grows so large that parsing it takes too much server time.  if that happens, we can split the data page by first letter, or think about a different solution.  let me know if you see any problems. Frietjes (talk) 02:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @Corky: I tweaked Module:College color/data/doc a bit more to explain that unsourced entries may be deleted per WP:UNSOURCED. In practice, I assume we'd only do that to new changes that are WP:CHALLENGED, and just correct unsourced entires as needed.—Bagumba (talk) 02:37, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sounds good to me! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 02:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As a practical matter, I think we need to place the burden for sourcing any changes or additions on the editors making them, and that needs to be made crystal clear in the instructions that appear above the editing dialog window. The module is not a single article, where someone can choose to ignore a one-off unsourced change; the module impacts thousands of articles, and every change or addition needs to be verified, not verifiable.  Finding the proper "graphic identity" sources often requires more than a simple Google search; a higher degree of competence and understanding is required.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

For the ref, are people OK with it just showing up as or would the source domain be useful e.g. dartmouthsports.com? Or is not worth the effort?—Bagumba (talk) 03:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the domain name, but that's just me... I wanna know where I'm headed before I actually click the link. Obviously I didn't do that above, but I think it would be helpful. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 04:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer the domain name, too, because it's more intuitive and reinforces the need for editors making changes and additions to properly source them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow ... done! Be careful what you ask for, Frietjes is in stealth mode :-)—Bagumba (talk) 19:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, all -- this is a good and necessary start. The procedures and sourcing can be refined and improved as we go.  At a minimum, there needs to be a referenced source(s) column (now added), and the message needs to specify that all changes and additions need to be verified (not verifiable) by a linked reference in the newly added column.  I will prepare an RfC that puts the procedures to a vote of all members of the college sports WikiProjects, who I am confident will agree that such basic procedures are necessary given the long history of vandalism, edit-warring and sock-puppetry over team colors.  It's way past time to tighten this down in light of the large number of articles that are impacted by the module.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "additions need to be verified (not verifiable)": Not a problem if local consensus decides to be more stringent than WP:V. As only admins have access to edit notices, I wasn't going to be more strict and impose my own POV on the notice.—Bagumba (talk) 06:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand completely. That's one of the several reasons why we need to have an RfC for college sports editors on point.  No more pussy-footing.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's a question... what do you think of adding conferences to this? Someone has added the Mountain West Conference to this a while back... too far back for me to search for the edit! Most, if not all, of the D-I conferences post a brand guide with hex codes. I can go either way, but thought I'd ask since one is already in there. If we don't want it, then we need to remove it and manually re-add the colors back to the navboxes for that conference, which I can do. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 07:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Good question, Corky. As I have looked at various conference navboxes, I've often wondered if some or all of the major college sports conferences actually have official conference colors.  If the conferences have official colors, and those official colors can be reliably sourced, I see no reason to exclude them from the module.  Those two questions need to be answered in the affirmative first.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It might be there, but I wonder if it's actually used. A quick sampling of MWC articles and templates shows hard coded values, and even Mountain West Conference color, a hard-coded template.—Bagumba (talk) 07:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I swear I've seen the Module in one of the templates, but I can't find it now. As for the colors, I don't know if they have "official" colors, but it is most likely going to be what they brand with. One example would be the Atlantic Coast Conference: it's pretty much blue and silver, which show on their brand guide. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 07:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Corky, in the absence of official colors, I question whether anyone should be using colors for conferences. At a bare minimum, I would want to see a reliable source for the colors used for the branding; in a pinch the hex colors may sometimes be derived from the coding of the conference website.  The Raycom/ACC brand standards certainly work in the absence of something on the ACC website or an actual ACC publication.  Otherwise these conference colors need to stay outside the module.  I don't want to see anything that undermines the basic principle that only reliably sourced colors should be permitted.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I can go either way, although I lean more towards just the college team colors and not the conferences. I never understood why someone had put MWC's colors here in the 1st place. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 01:49, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

UConn colors
I pulled UConn's color palette which lists grey as the third color, rather than red as is currently listed in this module. I've certainly seen plenty of red as an accent color, but should we be updating the third color to grey based on this color guide? In the more detailed guide, the red listed on the current module is shown as an alternate athletic color, but grey is still listed as one of the three primary colors. Really not sure what to do here. Billcasey905 (talk) 01:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you determine how recently the UConn brand identity webpage has been updated? I am inclined to trust the UConn website, assuming that it's not out-of-date, very old, or replaced by a newer UConn source.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It reflects the newest brand identity adopted in 2014 when they finished their most recent revamp, so it can't be more than 18 months old by now. Beyond that, I don't see any dates on the detail pages. Billcasey905 (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I added the red to the module because the red was listed before grey on the Athletics logo sheet. IMO, grey seems more popular for the academic side. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 03:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No preference on my part. Just trying to figure out the best one. Billcasey905 (talk) 03:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no preference, either, but I was in the same boat you are in when I placed the red in the module. Gray is used for athletics, but looking at pics of their uniforms, it looks as if red if the more popular choice for athletics. Whatever y'all decide with is good with me! 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 03:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Navy Midshipmen official colors
So here is the source I found for the Navy Midshipmen's official colors. It is the American Athletic Conference (AAC)'s Brand Standards Guide. Apparently, Navy doesn't list their colors online (I spent a few hours looking for them), but they are listed on page 14 of the AAC's Brand Standards Guide: American Athletic Conference Brand Standards Guide. The guide only listed the colors in Pantone Matching System (PMS). The colors are PMS 281 (Navy blue) and PMS 4525 (Gold). I cross-referenced them with Pantone's website and right-clicked on 'Inspect Element' to derive the HTML HEX codes of #002664 for Navy blue and #C6BC89 for Gold. Here is the reference for PMS 281 C and here is the reference for PMS 4525 C. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * In the absence of a U.S.N.A. reference that specifically cites the Hex colors, I agree that yours is a sensible approach to sourcing Navy's team colors. When we do not have a directly linked online reference for a given team's colors, as in this case, we should probably prepare a footnote for the reference column into which we can place the information regarding how the colors were sources, such as you have done above.  Thank you for your diligence.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Earlham
Earlham Brand Guide; source for Earlham's colors Cake (talk) 04:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for posting here. I'm not sure if you saw or not, but we are now adding  after the hex codes. See here for an example. This makes it easier for us so we don't have to keep posting on the talk page. 🎄 Corkythe  hornetfan  🎄 04:47, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Explanatory footnotes for team colors when simple external links are not available for Hex colors
Corky, in situations like this one for Oklahoma State, I would suggest dropping your explanation into an inline footnote linked in the new references column. Something like your edit summary would be adequate. That way, other editors may read the explanatory footnote and verify how the Hex colors used in the module were derived from PMS colors or other sources. Something like this ought to be the evolving standard when we are unable to link directly to an online brand identity statement of the particular university or its sports program. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Does this work? I put it so you can see it when editing the colors of OK State, but if I were to put it as an actual ref, it'd look like this and duplicate it twice. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 16:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Corky, I think either works fine for now. We're still evolving and refining our documentation and verification for the module, but the basic principle should be that editors who are making changes or additions to the module must leave a "paper trail" the permits other editors to readily understand and verify such changes and additions.  The preference, of course, is to link directly to the brand identity page of the particular university or its athletic department.  When an online brand identity guide or statement is not available, what you have done should be a perfectly acceptable alternative.  Carry on and keep up the good work.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Georgia Tech
Tech editors have had to deal with it switching back and forth, and seemed to have grown accustom to my putting the gold background. It looks just fine on the navboxes, and many times better on the infoboxes. They are the _golden_ tornado after all not the navy tornado. So, I have used the secondary style. If my eyes are really just amazing and that white on gold like Georgia Tech's football helmet is hard to see for some, then I will concede the point. Cake (talk) 23:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I would have rather of kept the gold as the primary, but it is not compliant, making it really hard to read. I have nearly 20/20 vision and it is still hard for me to see. The navy blue on gold isn't really compliant either, but I guess if the majority want that then we can replace the white font with blue font. If not, blue goes as primary. I have trouble seeing the blue on gold as well. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 23:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * do you want to bring others into this for other opinions (so we can come up with a solution)? I'm not against using the gold, IF something can be done about the font. Right now, it is unreadable. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 18:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am partial to the white text on gold as that is their primary color; especially once I had some active remnants of WikiProject Georgia Tech convinced. Surely there is a purpose aside from visibility to having primary and secondary styles. Compliance be damned if it works and is the primary style. I find it legible, and thus make reference that it is so hard to read that it's the style of their helmet designed to be seen from afar. The infobox (e. g. Buck Flowers) looks dreadful in the navy, while the navbox is merely tolerable. The Yellow Jackets use navy secondarily and were simply gold for a long time. However, partiality aside, I don't want to make an edit war, nor drudge up the issue for the Tech editors to deal with yet again. You should also note when changing such colors that there might be a consensus at such a project, or among active editors.   Cake (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Tulane Green Wave colors (?)
Hey, all. I've just reverted an attempted change to the Tulane Green Wave colors, and then I went looking for Tulane University's official brand identity online. What I found appears to be somewhat inconsistent from actual use for athletics uniforms and marketing, which typically includes a much lighter blue accent color, and sometimes substitutes black for the Tulane dark blue. If anyone has any more detailed knowledge of Tulane colors (and reliable sources), your input would be welcome. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That user wrote on my talk page about this about how it's an "outdated website" that doesn't link to the main identity guide. At the bottom of the color palette, it does link to the identity guide. However, this page lists #003300 for Tulane's green - which I'd favor for. Athletics website shows a "sky blue" that would be closely related to #4388CC . The The American Athletic Conference style guide shows PMS 3435 (which is shown on the color palette page and the download logos guide), and PMS 640 looks closest to the "Fountainbleu" (IMO). I think the "Tulane blue" (the dark blue) should be for academics, but the user is very against it. He's got a section on the university talk page, but his examples go for the athletics side. We can do what Charlesaaronthompson did with Navy's and look the color code up on a reliable website that lists PMS hex codes for PMS 640, but the #003300 would by the green for sure. Just my opinion, though. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 19:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm that user, and Tulane does not have a different set of colors it uses for the academic side and never has. I also think it's pretty commonplace for a university to use a set of colors for its website without suggesting that those colors are the school's official ones. I think you have to consider that the color palette you're referencing also lists various shades of tan, and it says "Tulane Green" and "Tulane Blue," which are apparently their web terms for those shades, because the university has never in a publication used those terms to describe its colors (hence why I think it's important to note that they're officially called Olive Green and Sky Blue, so those colors being named something else must logically reference something else). Athletics may use different variations on the exact shades and has recently introduced a tertiary, lime green color in its logo, but both the university and its athletics arm have always used the same "Olive Green and Sky Blue," and nearly everything at Tulane uses a variation of a very light blue, not navy. As far as the color palette page goes, it does link back to Tulane's style guide, but the style guide does not link that color palette, and the only page that does is an [old version of the style guide] that you can only access from a web search, which leads me to believe they are both outdated and were meant to be replaced by this style guide that is currently linked in various places on the site. The hex codes I was referring to at [] are in that page's code, which is easily accessible using code inspection modules in most web browsers. While I realize this is not a page that explicitly states "this color is made using this hex code," it does show each color's name in that color, and it's the closest thing anyone has to a credible, non-athletic source to explain the shade of sky blue. In my opinion, an athletics page showing the exact shades should be more than permissible, but you seem to feel pretty strongly about schools having separate "academic colors" and "athletic colors," though in all honesty I can't say I'm familiar with that being a thing. --Bobster687 (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Oklahoma State
"since the white on orange doesn't comply, I've changed the primary color to black" I feel like a better solution would be to keep orange as the primary color, but change the secondary color from white to black. Black on orange is compliant. If representing Oklahoma State's colors the way the school wants them to be represented is the goal, then keeping the primary color as orange is pretty important. Joeykai (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate the use of black font on orange -- I can barely read it. Orange does not have to be the primary color for the Wikipedia articles. Just because the university uses orange as the main color for their brands, doesn't mean we here at Wikipedia need to. There is nothing wrong with black as the dominant color. If other users want the orange to be the primary, then I won't argue my side any further. I think this conversation needs to be worked further. When it finishes, I'll be in favor of returning the orange to OK State. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 15:54, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Colour Contrast Check shows that black on orange is compliant. Joeykai (talk) 20:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I realize that, but that doesn't mean I can read it. I have to look close to the screen and I'm not colorblind. My point is that if it's hard for me to read, it'll be hard for others too. That may be the case for you, but it is me. Like I said, if you get a consensus, then I won't argue any further; if you can't, then the black is fine. There it's nothing wrong with black as the dominant color. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 20:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is something wrong with it. Oklahoma State's primary color is orange, not black. Black as the primary color does not accurately show Oklahoma State's colors. And, I'm sorry if you can't read black on orange, but look at the numbers; the colors are compliant. Joeykai (talk) 02:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Guys, either solution is okay for use as a temporary solution. We are aware of the problem of team colors that have white as one of their primary colors and for which the second color does not provide sufficient contrast. The problem is especially acute for teams who have orange as the darker of their primary colors; this also applies to "dark" colors that fall in the mid ranges of density and color saturation -- like light and medium blues. This issue was raised with Frietjes (the creator of this module) and Edokter back in October, and we had a solution to use white text highlighted with a darker color like black or navy blue that would provide AAA-compliant color contrast while preserving the primary team colors. It may take a little bit of doing, but we should be able to use the same solution for the module. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Some D1 colleges with no colors on this module
Joeykai (talk) 07:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * American Eagles / American University Eagles
 * Bryant Bulldogs
 * Campbell Fighting Camels / Campbell Lady Camels / Campbell Camels
 * Coppin State Eagles
 * Fairfield Stags
 * Fairleigh Dickinson Knights / FDU Knights
 * IUPUI Jaguars
 * Longwood Lancers
 * Manhattan Jaspers / Manhattan Lady Jaspers
 * Mount St. Mary's Mountaineers / Mount Saint Mary's Mountaineers
 * Presbyterian Blue Hose
 * Radford Highlanders
 * Saint Peter's Peacocks / Saint Peter's Peahens
 * Siena Saints
 * Southern Jaguars / Southern Lady Jaguars / Southern University Jaguars
 * UNC Asheville Bulldogs / UNC-Asheville Bulldogs / UNC–Asheville Bulldogs / North Carolina-Asheville Bulldogs / North Carolina–Asheville Bulldogs
 * Winthrop Eagles
 * I've done American, IUPUI, Saint Peter's, UNC Asheville, and Winthrop. Some don't have a navbox so IMHO, it's pointless in having a code here until one is created. Some also don't list a code, so I had to use www.javascripter.net to find the code using the RGB code.
 * Even if there is no navbox, a player or coach for one of these teams with no colors would have an infobox consisting of just black and grey, so it wouldn't be pointless to add the colors. Joeykai (talk) 20:01, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Forgot it was incorporated into the infoboxes. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 14:47, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note to other users: Good luck finding Southern University's colors... they are no where to be found. 🎄 Corkythe hornetfan  🎄 19:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC) Source found. 🎄 Corkythe  hornetfan  🎄 15:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just added Longwood's colors. I don't have a visual guide for them (the university's style guide does not include RGB color codes, and the colors there are different shades than what's used in the athletics logos). I grabbed the RGB values for the logo at LongwoodLancers.com. Puritan Nerd 20:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

FYI, guys, no college coaches use team colors in their infoboxes, only college players. The infoboxes of all college coaches -- active and retired -- default to gray and black by design. Only college player infoboxes and the navboxes for college coaches and college teams are intended to use the team color schemes of this module. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Help needed
Can anyone find the colors for Bryant Bulldogs? I've used my Digital Color Meter and they display #231F20 and #B09863  on the athletics website, but I cannot find a source on either the university/athletics websites. I believe this is the only school left out of this list to be included in the module. Thanks. ❄ Corkythe hornetfan  ❄ 03:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you just go ahead and add those colors for Bryant? Joeykai (talk) 09:25, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just saw this. I think I will email them first. If they don't reply, then I'll go ahead and add these colors. 🍀 Corkythe hornetfan  🍀 05:14, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe there's an error with the right colors being used in templates.
For example Alabama Crimson Tide shows grey font instead of white, the existing color combination doesn't satisfy MOS:CONTRAST in the below example. See the contrast for font-color #828A8F with bg #9E1B32 in Snook's Colour Contrast Check

Refering specifically this module's use in templates such as this...

Just a heads up. —  dain  omite   03:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * and if you add  to it, it'll display in white font. 😱 Problem solved. ☔️ Corkythe  hornetfan  🌺 03:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It would probably be better if the template worked as intended, to accommodate our color blind users. Especially when the Alabama Crimson Tide's 2nd color (white) would make it automatically compliant with MOS:CONTRAST. —  dain  omite   03:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Migration of inline colors to this module
Understood the migration of inline colors within college templates to this new module is in progress. Adding this comment, as presumably other editors are noticing this content being (re-)moved from the articles.

Explicitly, is this occurring by sport template, or by college? There is a related need to update the associated templates (such as |color1 =, |color2 = , |color3 =, |fontcolor = , |hex1 =, |hex2 =, |hex3 =). Understood that coordinating the color removal and template changes is difficult due to the quantity of edits required.

Here is a rough list, taken from Category:American college sports infobox templates:
 * Template:Infobox college baseball team
 * Template:Infobox college basketball team
 * Template:Infobox college cross country team
 * Template:Infobox college field hockey team
 * Template:Infobox college golf team
 * Template:Infobox college gymnastics team
 * Template:Infobox college lacrosse team
 * Template:Infobox college rowing team
 * Template:Infobox college ski team
 * Template:Infobox college soccer team
 * Template:Infobox college softball team
 * Template:Infobox college swim team
 * Template:Infobox college tennis team
 * Template:Infobox college track and field team
 * Template:Infobox college track and field
 * Template:Infobox college volleyball team
 * Template:Infobox college wrestling team

Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 18:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * right now it's only in the college baseball, basketball, football, and main college athletics templates. We'll have to work on getting it in the others soon. As for the font color in the Infoboxes, it automatically displays they greatest contrast (Black or White). I'm just going conference by conference when removing them, as I'm having to add the names of the colors, make sure they're correct, etc. ☔️ Corkythe hornetfan  🌺 03:38, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Why all these greys?
Alabama, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, etc., with all these grey borders around their infoboxes:

None of these schools use grey at all in their athletic color scheme. Why do we insist on putting grey onto them when white is their actual secondary color? These navboxes look BAD in addition to being blatantly wrong. Jhn31 (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just because their colors are "xxx and white", doesn't mean they don't use support colors. Alabama uses gray in their logo and other branding (clothing, sometime uniforms, website, etc.), Same goes for Mississippi State, and Texas A&M. There is nothing wrong with having a support color, and they do not look bad. It is not wrong when the Athletic Departments themselves use these colors. These are not included in the Infoboxes, so quite frankly I see no reason to remove them. ☔️ Corkythe hornetfan  ☔️ 19:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All three of those links are for the academic side of the university and also list "official" shades of yellow, blue, green, brown, etc., to use in official contexts, but that doesn't make them appropriate to use in tables concerning those schools' teams. I guess it's a matter of personal opinion on whether those grey-on-maroon or grey-on-crimson tables look good or not, but no one associates grey with those teams, even if the university does allow that shade to be used on some official paperwork. All 3 of those boxes would look much better surrounded in white (or surrounded by no border), and it would conform to the universally recognized color schemes of those teams.
 * Am I alone in thinking this? Jhn31 (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree, they wouldn't look better without the gray. The academic branding is listed because Athletics use the same as the academics. Just look throughout the athletics websites; you'll find the gray on most (if not all) pages. It is common sense that the yellow, blue, etc. isn't with the Athletics. And if you look, they Gray is "Support", not a secondary color" which means it has higher priority than the other colors. The gray is not causing any harm to the navboxes and as I said above, the gray is not included into the navboxes, so I really don't see a good reason to remove them.
 * Here is the Athletics sheet for Alabama. The academic is used for the color codes, since they are the same. Gray is listed as primary in both. ☔️ Corkythe hornetfan  ☔️ 19:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Is the border/padding in these instances desired to ensure consistency when stacked above/below with other navboxes? (Player at A, Coach at B, Head Coach at C, Athletic Director at D, etc)? Otherwise the near universal execution appears to be the school's Primary Color as background, font as white (unless lacks contrast), and Secondary Color as border. This appears to make the grey border unnecessary from a color perspective and inconsistent with the execution of the majority of schools.  UW Dawgs (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * UW Dawgs, if grey is the secondary in the list of colors on the data page, then it will be used as the border color. if the secondary color is white, then there will be no border. Frietjes (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Frietjes. Since the design doesn't break with white, let's use their two main school colors as intended and become globally consistent within the navboxes, such as Buffalo Bulls (blue/white) and Fordham Rams (maroon/white):


 * Alabama: Colors: Crimson and White pg 3
 * Miss St: Maroon and White (School Colors)
 * TAMU: MBB Colors: Maroon (Pantone 505) and White pg 2, 8, WBB Colors: Maroon & White on PDF pg 2, 6 UW Dawgs (talk) 18:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed on this point. These navboxes need to be the colors that are generally associated with the schools (X and white in these 3 cases), not not some shade of grey technically specified on the website, but not thought of as a school color. By insisting on grey, we're missing the forest for the trees. Jhn31 (talk) 02:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Any other thoughts on this issue? I don't really know how to go about changing it myself, even if we do have general agreement. Jhn31 (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you please implement this change to white/#FFFFFF for these three teams? UW Dawgs (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACollege_color%2Fdata&type=revision&diff=719494451&oldid=718690120 already done]. Frietjes (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Problems with primary and secondary hex values
per this revert

→ and should be 006633

→ and should be FFFFFF

→ and should be B31B1B

→ and should be FFFFFF (if you count the traditional white charger as indicative of white as the secndary color)

→ and should be CC0033

→ and should be FFFFFF

→ and should be 4D90CD

→ and should be FFFFFF

It appears that the second color value is being used as fontcolor and the third as the second. I have a cold *sniffle* - Plz halp! 20:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Fred, the third color is only used as a border in the navboxes. Citadel's color (#4D90CD) isn't compliant with a white font, nor the other colors, so the other color is listed for the background. It displays correctly in the infoboxes, just not the navboxes. If you don't like the borders, take it up in the section above with the greys. I'm sick and tired of dealing with this border crap. 🎓 Corkythe hornetfan  🎓 20:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sick and tired of dealing with this border crap. Then I suggest you go and do something else.
 * How to solve the retrieval of primary and secondary colors as they should be - without upsetting anyone of course? And to save pinging - can you add functionality to get the color names (not p.list)? 21:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't mind doing it. I just get tired of arguing it. Why does it matter if a tertiary color is used in the navboxes, as long as it isn't in the infoboxes? If it's used in a brand guide, it can/should be used here. Next time, I just ask you to visit this talk page before removing any colors, just so everyone is on board. 🎓 Corkythe hornetfan  🎓 21:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

additional citations for college colors
I see about 650 colleges and only 50 citations for their associated colors. What is the current scope, Division I and II?

Understood that many/most college have already have citations for their colors within Category:College sports teams in the United States by team. And all of the colors as implemented were probably sourced from these articles.

So what would be helpful for getting those ~600 citations into Module:College color?

Perhaps we create a list of the colleges on this Talk, ping Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball for assistance, and editors could swarm to pull the URLs into that discussion which would allow the module editors to more efficiently updated it with "all" of the citations. Other options?

Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * what would be helpful for collecting citations and/or staging them in one location for inclusion? UW Dawgs (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * UW Dawgs, ask User:Corkythehornetfan. a majority are already referenced, it's just that the citations in the new format weren't showing up in the contrast table.  I updated the code for the contrast table, so they are showing now. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you add Template:Reflist to the module? Right now we can see that references exist, but cannot click on them to view. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * is there anything we can do to assist in the collection of the ~30 citations where currently absent? UW Dawgs (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * you can view the references under the table. Click . Once you click show you can see the refs and click. As for finding citations, look on the Athletics website, followed by the academic website. There are some that do not list a brand guide (which are noted in the Module). Some only list a PMS color, which then I use Pantone's website to find it. Brand guides are usually listed under "Brand manual", "Graphics Standards", "Logo guide", "Style guide", etc. those are the more common names for the sources. As for the names, we should go off of what is most commonly used on the Athletics website. This can be found in media guides, or a "quick facts" section. 🎓 Corkythe  hornetfan  🎓 19:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Totally missed the collapsed links, thank you for the callout. UW Dawgs (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears 75% of the citations are using the University brand guide, not the athletics department. Clearly the two entities diverge on colors beyond primary and secondary.  Any insight into these current citations vs the supported colors?  Were athletic sources very difficult to locate (FCS, Div II, etc)?  Any chance we are accidentally folding University colors into athletics (scope of this module)? UW Dawgs (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)== additional citations for college colors ==

I see about 650 colleges and only 50 citations for their associated colors. What is the current scope, Division I and II?

Understood that many/most college have already have citations for their colors within Category:College sports teams in the United States by team. And all of the colors as implemented were probably sourced from these articles.

So what would be helpful for getting those ~600 citations into Module:College color?

Perhaps we create a list of the colleges on this Talk, ping Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball for assistance, and editors could swarm to pull the URLs into that discussion which would allow the module editors to more efficiently updated it with "all" of the citations. Other options?

Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * what would be helpful for collecting citations and/or staging them in one location for inclusion? UW Dawgs (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * UW Dawgs, ask User:Corkythehornetfan. a majority are already referenced, it's just that the citations in the new format weren't showing up in the contrast table.  I updated the code for the contrast table, so they are showing now. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you add Template:Reflist to the module? Right now we can see that references exist, but cannot click on them to view. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * is there anything we can do to assist in the collection of the ~30 citations where currently absent? UW Dawgs (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * you can view the references under the table. Click . Once you click show you can see the refs and click. As for finding citations, look on the Athletics website, followed by the academic website. There are some that do not list a brand guide (which are noted in the Module). Some only list a PMS color, which then I use Pantone's website to find it. Brand guides are usually listed under "Brand manual", "Graphics Standards", "Logo guide", "Style guide", etc. those are the more common names for the sources. As for the names, we should go off of what is most commonly used on the Athletics website. This can be found in media guides, or a "quick facts" section. 🎓 Corkythe  hornetfan  🎓 19:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Totally missed the collapsed links, thank you for the callout. UW Dawgs (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears 75% of the citations are using the University brand guide, not the athletics department. Clearly the two entities diverge on colors beyond primary and secondary.  Any insight into these current citations vs the supported colors?  Were athletic sources very difficult to locate (FCS, Div II, etc)?  Any chance we are accidentally folding University colors into athletics (scope of this module)? UW Dawgs (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * A majority of schools (Division I and below) use the same colors for both Athletics and the Academics. I looked very hard on the Athletics websites to find them. If they weren't on the athletics website, I moved on to the university website. I spent roughly 15-20 minutes per school just to make sure they were correct. The lower the level for NCAA, the harder it is to find brand guides. Private schools do not like including the brand guide on their websites (some do, most don't), Public schools usually do (there are a few that don't – this is when PMS website came in use). This that don't include any guide on their website, I've either emailed the communications department (which there is a note that varies something like  Some put their athletics brand in with their university brand guide or include it on the university website. (ATU on university website, Temple Athletics in University brand guide).
 * Some universities include their PMS number in the Quick Facts or Media Guides and don't give a brand guide on the athletics website, but the matching information can be found on the university website... if that makes sense. (Example: Many of the Division I schools use this type of guide on their athletics website, but the actual hex codes are listed on the university website.) Does this help a little bit? I've tried to explain it the best I could! 🎓 Corkythe hornetfan  🎓 23:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

design integration advice
Feedback on how to leverage standardized colors is request at Category talk:Lists of college football statistical leaders by team. Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Capitalization
Why do we capitalize the last word of a phrase like "Blue and White" in an infobox? It's hard to argue that such phrases are proper names because they usually aren't capitalized (except as part of a longer capitalized phrase like "Blue and White Weekend"), not even in your own references or official sources. Usually, the "and" phrase isn't used at all, and when it is it's usually uncapitalized. There are exceptions, but although the MOS:DOCTCAPS guideline doesn't strictly apply, the idea is relevant here: "Doctrinal topics, canonical religious ideas, and procedural systems that may be traditionally capitalized within a faith or field are given in lower case in Wikipedia, such as virgin birth (as a common noun), original sin, transubstantiation, and method acting." I would happily uncapitalize one infobox without asking, but the same argument applies to the entire list. Art LaPella (talk) 03:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Checking the data module
I recently found and fixed a couple of problems in Module:College color/data. It's too hard checking the data syntax manually so I added a function that editors might want to use periodically. I'm not sure what the syntax rules are, so my checks may be too restrictive. For example, the current check_data function assumes a team has from 2 to 4 (inclusive) colors, and each color must be six hex digits. I see function  allows 6 or 3 hex digits, but no teams currently use 3 so I just checked for 6.

A check can be run by previewing the following in a sandbox:

Currently, that shows five problems. Following is the output from the above invoke:

Johnuniq (talk) 05:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * @Corkythehornetfan: You are active at Module:College color/data. Would you please have a look at the problems mentioned above and let me know if the rules for checking need to be tweaked. Johnuniq (talk) 04:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I will check sometime this weekend. Today and tomorrow I'm pretty busy with finals at my university. I'll let you know by Sunday at the latest. Thanks, Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 12:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Documentation
I'd like to request that documentation of how this module is used be provided at infoboxes that use the module, e.g. Template:Infobox school athletics, Template:Infobox college basketball team, etc. It's confusing and disconcerting for colors to appear in the infobox when the parameter is blank or not included. I'd do it myself, but I'm not familiar with how modules work. James (talk/contribs) 23:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

College color and DATEUNIFY
MOS:DATEUNIFY requires consistency of date styles in an article's references. However, transclusions of templates using this module provide references that may not match the style of the article in question. For example, while the reference used for Nebraska matches the date style of Nebraska Cornhuskers, it does not match Nebraska Cornhuskers football. Any change to match one article's style will not be consistent with the other article. MOS:DATERET says date style should be matched to the first major contributor, so we cannot simply change an article's date style to match the reference used in the module. How should this template be squared with the style manual? James (talk/contribs) 17:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

NY6 bowls colors
I noticed that New Year's Six bowl games have their own color combinations in their pages Orange Bowl, Peach Bowl... etc. I would like to add color combinations of those bowl games to this module. I've seen a precedent in the module -- Ivy League happens to have their own color combination. Will thoroughly test the new combinations before making actual changes. Thanks. J1n9 (talk) 18:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * For instance, the Rose Bowl Game would be: ["Rose Bowl Game"] = {"ED1C24", "FFFFFF", "008348", name1="Red", name2="White", name3="Green", cite=""},


 * @Corkythehornetfan: Saw that you were active on this page. Wonder if you would be interested in looking over this. J1n9 (talk) 19:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with that and here are my thoughts:
 * There is an accessible reference for the color hex codes... if there isn't a reference for the hex codes, we can always use the "Inspect Element Tool" on our computers and figure out the colors that way...
 * The colors are compliant (background and font color)... the Rose Bowl colors are kind of compliant, but not really. Here is an example of compliant colors.
 * Don't use color names as they are not needed (that's just for the infobox in team articles)
 * Date formats should be "Month Day, Year" to match the others
 * Let me know if that helps! Corky  23:39, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That definitely helps a lot. Thank you so much. I'm new to the template editing stuff. The Rose Bowl Game color combination is only an example since I observed that the Rose Bowl Game page had a unique decoration. However the reference thing is sort of painful for the Rose Bowl since they require passwords to their Media Guide for every different person who checks them... Not sure if the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Peach Bowl would have the same issue. I might check them out later. I don't have access to template editing, though. Someone else will have to add these bowl colors to the template color base. Not sure if every bowl has its unique color combination. If so, that's quite a bit of work... J1n9 (talk) 01:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've looked for them in the past and couldn't find any... but maybe you'll have better luck! Module:College color/data – where you add the colors – is only semi-protected so you should be able to edit it. If you want them added and don't feel comfortable adding them, I can add them if you post them either here or on my talk page. Corky  01:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

University of Northern Colorado 2015 Color Update
The University of Northern Colorado had a branding update in 2015. This includes new Pantone colors specifically for the university.

UNC Bears Blue - Hex #013c65, RGB 1/45/91

UNC Bears Gold - Hex #f6b000, RGB 254/189/54
 * Colors were already correct one the module. Corky  22:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Fort Wayne color change
How will this module handle situations in which a school changes its colors?

This issue will come up after the 2017–18 school year when IPFW splits into two separate institutions. AFAIK, the IPFW athletic program will continue to be known as the Fort Wayne Mastodons—however, upon the split, it will represent the newly created Purdue University Fort Wayne, and the school colors will change to those of Purdue's main campus. See this IPFW press release and this local news story for details on the color change.

The underlying question: Is there any way to ensure that Fort Wayne season pages from before the split retain the current IPFW color scheme, while season pages from 2018–19 forward use the Purdue color scheme? — Dale Arnett (talk) 08:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * you could create separate names for each case, and make sure that any old articles are using the legacy colors. or, use "Purdue University Fort Wayne Mastodons" for the new coloring. Frietjes (talk) 16:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Going along with Frietjes, I would change the current school to "IPFW Mastodons" to keep the current colors and then use "Fort Wayne Mastodons" for the 2018–19 to future school... Corky  23:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, but this brings up another issue: If we do this, what do we do about pages referring to the 2016–17 and 2017–18 school years, in which the athletic program was officially branded as "Fort Wayne" but the school was still IPFW? — Dale Arnett (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Good question... I didn't think that part through! Let me think on it some more... I just don't like the full university name being in the article as I think we should keep them the same as the article titles... If we make redirect articles for the old program (i.e. 2017–18 IPFW Mastodons men's basketball team redirects to 2017–18 Fort Wayne Mastodons men's basketball team), would that work, ? It would technically match what is in the module... just not sure (can't remember) if that redirect would display the colors or not. Corky  02:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * can you show me where the color is wrong? this module takes a team name as input and returns a color.  a redirect would only help if you are generating links to articles. Frietjes (talk) 11:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Shepherd Rams
I've added the Shepherd Rams to the sandbox, but haven't implemented it in the main data page yet. The university's official publication standards state that the colors are Pantone Reflex Blue and Pantone 116, and I included this reference in the sandbox data. I'd like someone with more experience in this area to check my work and activate it if appropriate. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2018
Add the following lines to the Module: ["Babson Beavers"] = {"006644", "FFFFFF", "000000", name1="Green", name2="White", cite=""}, ["Bowdoin Polar Bears"] = {"000000", "FFFFFF", name1="Black", name2="White", cite=""}, ["Elmira Soaring Eagles"] = {"3f1e6b", "f1cd44", "86754d", name1="Purple", name2="Gold", cite=""}, ["Framingham State Rams"] = {"EBAB00", "000000", "FFFFFF", name1="Gold", name2="Black", cite=""}, ["Hamilton Continentals"] = {"002f86", "d6ba8b", "FFFFFF", name1="Blue", name2="Buff", cite=""}, ["Ithaca Bombers"] = {"003B71", "FFBB00", "9C9C9C", name1="Blue", name2="Gold", name3="Gray", cite=""}, ["UMass Boston Beacons"] = {"005A8B", "A0CFEB", "FFFFFF", name1="Blue", name2="Light Blue", cite=""}, ["Massachusetts Boston Beacons"] = "UMass Boston Beacons", ["Massachusetts-Boston Beacons"] = "UMass Boston Beacons", ["Massachusetts–Boston Beacons"] = "UMass Boston Beacons", ["Middlebury Panthers"] = {"003882", "FFFFFF", name1="Blue", name2="White", cite=""}, ["Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts Trailblazers"] = {"25408f", "a3b86a", "FFFFFF", name1="Blue", name2="Gold", cite=""}, ["North Adams State Trailblazers"] = "Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts Trailblazers", ["MCLA Trailblazers"] = "Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts Trailblazers", ["Norwich Cadets"] = {"87212e", "907C4B", "000000", name1="Maroon", name2="Gold", cite=""}, ["SUNY Brockport Golden Eagles"] = {"00533e", "FFC726", "FFFFFF", name1="Green", name2="Gold", cite=""}, ["Brockport Golden Eagles"] = "SUNY Brockport Golden Eagles", ["Brockport State Golden Eagles"] = "SUNY Brockport Golden Eagles", ["SUNY Geneseo Knights"] = {"003896", "FFFFFF", "85888B", name1="Blue", name2="White", cite=""}, ["Geneseo Knights"] = "SUNY Geneseo Knights", ["Geneseo State Knights"] = "SUNY Geneseo Knights", ["SUNY Oswego Lakers"] = {"235937", "FFCC33", "FFFFFF", name1="Hunter Green", name2="Gold", cite=""}, ["Oswego Lakers"] = "SUNY Oswego Lakers", ["Oswego State Lakers"] = "SUNY Oswego Lakers", ["SUNY Plattsburgh Cardinals"] = {"C8102E", "FFFFFF", "000000", name1="Cardinal", name2="White", cite=""}, ["Plattsburgh Cardinals"] = "SUNY Plattsburgh Cardinals", ["Plattsburgh State Cardinals"] = "SUNY Plattsburgh Cardinals", ["SUNY Potsdam Bears"] = {"8A1538", "A2AAAD", "FFFFFF", name1="Maroon", name2="Gray", cite=""}, ["Potsdam Bears"] = "SUNY Potsdam Bears", ["Potsdam State Bears"] = "SUNY Potsdam Bears", ["Westfield State Owls"] = {"00247d", "FFFFFF", "8e774d", name1="Blue", name2="White", name3="Gold", cite=""}, ["Worcester State Lancers"] = {"003896", "f0e07d", "FFFFFF", name1="Blue", name2="Gold", cite=""}, PensRule11385 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detailed research. Please add your changes directly to Module:College color/data/sandbox and then post a note here. According to the module's documentation, the sandbox page's Test table should show the new colors. We'll see if it works. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I added the lines to the sandbox. - PensRule11385 (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I found a few errors in what you have added. You have used "XXX Style Guide" as the title for all of your sources, even when that is not the actual title. Please correct. I ask only because if I implement these changes, I will be responsible for them, and I would not knowingly add a citation template with an inaccurate title. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. PensRule11385 (talk) 21:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Please check the Test table to ensure that everything is working as expected. Thank you for jumping through these hoops. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * All of the changes are working, Thanks. PensRule11385 (talk) 05:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)