Portal:U.S. roads/Selected picture/Recommend/2011

January 2011

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The result of the proposal was no consensus.  Dough 48  72  01:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC) One of the most prominent features along U.S. Route 89A is the Navajo Bridge, which carries the highway across the Marble Canyon of the Colorado River.
 * Just saw this. Love it. Dave (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Beautiful picture.  Dough 48  72  20:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Doesn't the image need to be in use somewhere? --Admrboltz (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of what the requirements are for selected photo, none are formally stated. (As opposed to DYK, where it is specified that the hook must be covered and sourced in the article). However, even if this is a requirement, it's an easy fix. This picture is of higher quality than the ones currently used in either the bridge or US-89A articles. Also, the US-89A article could easily be expanded to accommodate more photos, given in the article's current state, there is significantly more written about the 3 miles in Utah than the 80+ miles in Arizona. =-) Dave (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * True. Support --Admrboltz (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Please understand that I like the photo. I think the issue above isn't just is it used in an article, but is the photo used in an article tagged under USRD. The second related note is that this is a candidate for the selected photo of the U.S. Roads portal. We've already informally clarified that the USRD scope as a whole doesn't include bridges, but the proposed caption above bolds a link to a non-USRD article, and leaves the USRD article unbolded. At a minimum, that should be reversed, and the caption should probably be rewritten to emphasize the USRD article. If this were a candidate for the Bridges portal, I would have no objection to what is proposed above. I'm fully aware that sometimes, photographically speaking, the most notable feature of a highway is its bridges, but with a little care the emphasis can be shifted so that readers are directed more to our articles.  Imzadi  1979   →  20:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. =-) Dave (talk) 00:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


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February 2011

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The result of the proposal was Select I-40 in AZ pic.  Dough 48  72  00:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Interstate 70 travels through Glenwood Canyon along the Colorado River.

OK, so I'm not claiming this caption will win any awards, but by God, this picture is gorgeous! Feel free to help with the caption. –Fredddie™ 04:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And yes, I'm aware it's another Glenwood Canyon nomination. –Fredddie™ 04:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Interstate 40 near Flagstaff, Arizona.

This is also a gorgeous image, and from an under represented area, AZ. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - We have seen pictures from I-70 in CO in the past, it is nice to see AZ for a change.  Dough 48  72  00:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support I like the Arizona picture better than the Colorado picture because the former has one more non-black/non-brown color of significance.  V C  02:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


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March 2011
The Spokane River Bridge carries Washington State Route 25 and was added to the National Register of Historic Places on March 28, 1995.

I know it may be early, but I'm aiming for the month this bridge was listed on the NRHP. – CG Talk 04:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Its USRD not Bridges WP... --Admrboltz (talk) 05:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify, we will more than likely have a bridge up for January, and the caption your are citing has a red link. Also, the bridge its self isn't all that interesting. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reasons as Adm and it's an out of process nomination. (Remember, people got cranky a year ago when we tried to schedule the SAs in advance and a certain WA editor extended the list out for 6 months.) That aside, no this is the US Roads portal, so while bridges are nice, they have their own portal.  Imzadi  1979   →  07:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Using the above logic, the recently featured Tacoma Narrows Bridge and I-35 bridge collapses would have been disqualified (as Tacoma narrows was nominated several months before being featured, and both were of bridges). There is ample precedent for featuring pictures of bridges: Scanning the archives, I see 3 pictures of bridges featured in 2007, 5 in 2008, 4 in 2009 and 5 in 2010. However, if the proposed nomination for February (of Navajo bridge) makes it to the portal, it would be wise to postpone this nomination a few months to avoid giving too much weight to bridges. This logic of oppose solely because this is the roads portal, not bridges is not valid. There will be overlap between the roads and bridges portals, just as their will be between this and the cars portals, train portals, etc. Another example of this is we featured Centralia Pennsylvania on the portal before (though I don't remember in which venue). Centralia is a ghost town, not a road, yet it has crossover appeal. Dave (talk) 16:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As I recall, we didn't feature Centralia, we featured a photo of the abandoned section of highway through the soon-to-be-former Centralia with a DYK hook of "one smokin' highway" linked to the highway article. That was the AFD usage, and the previous usage at DYK also featured the highway with Centralia as a supporting link.To fix the above to a roads caption over a bridges caption, you'd need to rewrite it similar to:
 * Washington State Route 25 crosses the Spokane River Bridge which is on the National Register of Historic Places
 * That places the emphasis on this being about the highway (bolded, mentioned first) over the bridge. That's the point I want to make. Bridges are going to be the most-photographed sections of some highways, but we need to keep the emphasis on the road, not the bridge. Several of those previous usages pre-date this portal being featured, so my position on this issue has evolved somewhat under the new status.  Imzadi  1979   →  22:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I love the new caption. If we were to postpone this picture, then I would be fine, just between May or June to August. – CG Talk 22:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it worth mentioning the NRHP? I always get the feeling that the point of NRHP is to be an exclusive list of banalities.  I just don't see anything exciting or interesting about this bridge. Thus, I oppose. –Fredddie™ 23:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Imzadi, your second entry makes a lot more sense. I see this as having ambiguity in our guidelines, which I will be bold and try to fix. As to Fredddie's point about the NHRP. You are correct, the NHRP has gotten somewhat politicized and become somewhat of a "me too" list of anything remotely historical. However, aside from suggesting the caption be reformulated, that does not affect the quality of the picture, which should be the focus of this discussion. Dave (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could make the caption into something like this: Washington State Route 25 crosses the Spokane River Bridge, built in 1941 to replace another span.? – CG Talk 02:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Bridges is outside the scope of this portal. In addition, the photo is black-and-white, which is not the best choice for a portal photo.  Dough 48  72  02:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This an irrelevant point. I counted 9 bridges and a couple viaducts in the archives. –Fredddie™ 05:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm going to clarify a few points. On the quality/subject matter issue. The photo is well... nothing special. It's from 1993, which was a day and age when color film was cheaper than B&W film. There's no artistic quality gained by this being in black and white, so it loses points on that basis. The photo, if color, might have more of a wow factor, but as it is, it's just bland. It's also a bridge, which isn't especially iconic for it's highway. Iconic structures like the Mackinac Bridge for I-75, the Golden Gate Bride for US 101, or the Eisenhower Tunnel for I-70, carry some wow factor. A beautiful set of colorful scenery does the same. I don't like the redlink, especially when as first proposed, that was the subject of the caption. My suggestion is that when the January photo is selected (and it hasn't been decided this early in the month yet) then we nominate something for February and make April Fool's the only exception to the schedule. (As for comments about the Tacoma Narrows video being selected months early, consensus was that it was a good choice, but better for the anniversary of the collapse. That consensus would have held even if we renominated it in October.)  Imzadi   1979   →  05:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I do think that opposing over being a black and white photo is valid. However, from my experience, most, if not all, photographs on the HAER are BW. I wouldn't be surprised if the original was in color, and converted to BW to match their guidelines. Dave (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Based on all the comments, I'll withdraw this nomination. I'll find a new image that has that "wow" factor and is a bit more relevant to the portal's scope. – CG Talk 05:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Legacy Parkway northbound near Centerville, Utah.


 * Support as nom --Admrboltz (talk) 05:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Interesting picture.  Dough 48  72  21:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

April Fool's Day 2011
Insert caption here I credit for finding this. I'll leave the caption to everyone else to suggest.  Imzadi  1979   →  03:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support this image. No clue on a caption though. --  Admr Boltz  21:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions

 * "Exit here to see boring Oregon City.".  Dough 48  72  03:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "When questioned about the sign, an Oregon DOT spokesperson replied, 'Have you ever been to Oregon City?'" –Fredddie™ 03:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Oregon DOT has saved $30 million by installing this sign at every interchange. –Fredddie™ 01:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Car and Driver once had it as "Coming up next ... PORTLAND!" Daniel Case (talk) 06:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this the best so far. Dave (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew we should have gone on vacation somewhere else!  Dough 48  72  00:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I like this one better than the two I suggested. –Fredddie™ 00:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2011
An unused section of Interstate 189 in Burlington, Vermont, looking south.
 * Support as nom. --  Admr Boltz  21:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Different to have pic of abandoned highway.  Dough 48  72  21:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support on the condition that you don't call it abandoned. Doesn't it have to be in use before it can be abandoned? –Fredddie™ 23:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed. --  Admr Boltz  00:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support I love how the highway is being consumed by nature.  V  C  15:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Rolled over nominations
-- P C  B  18:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * What is this? --Rschen7754 18:51, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's westbound I-90 in Montana. Having driven this, it really is that purdy.  Take it to WP:GL to clean it up and I will support. –Fredddie™ 19:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - We need a break from the Western mountain pictures. This can be renominated in a few months.  Dough 48  72  21:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per regional balance. --  Admr Boltz  21:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Avenue as seen from the terrace of the Newseum next to the Canadian Embassy.
 * Support—we've never featured the District of Columbia nor a city street on the portal before.  Imzadi 1979  →   05:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and April is tax month, and since Congress writes the tax laws...  Imzadi 1979  →   07:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Something different.  Dough 48  72  02:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose not because it's a bad picture, it's not. I don't think it would look right for a U.S. Roads portal to have a picture with Canadian flags in the foreground. –Fredddie™ 22:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Good picture, and I do not mind a Canadian flag.  However, the linked article is a part of WP:USST, not USRD.  V  C  14:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

New nominations
Looking down upon South Dakota Highway 10 from a scenic overlook west of Sisseton.

We've never had a picture from South Dakota, and I'd like to fix that. –Fredddie™ 01:20, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support  V C  14:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

June 2011
The Seven Mile Bridge connects Big Pine Key and Marathon along U.S. Route 1 in Florida.

Amazingly, we've never had a Florida picture. Outside of A1A, I can't think of a more iconic route in Florida than US 1 in the Keys. –Fredddie™ 22:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, I like it, but I'd prefer that it be slightly cropped. IMO there's just a little too much concrete in the bottom half of the picture. Dave (talk) 23:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried, and it made me think it looks better as it is than it would cropped. Maybe someone else can attempt to crop and give an opinion. –Fredddie™ 02:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, it wouldn't look right cropped that way. If anything, it should be cropped to remove some of the sky, pushing the horizon line to the upper third line. With a little cropping from the sides as well, we should be able to put the road along some part of the lines as well. I'll see what I can do.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Nice picture.  Dough 48  72  19:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support I experienced this view 20 years ago and I am still captivated by it.  I looked for other Seven Mile Bridge pictures on Wikipedia, but this one is the best.  For me, it is key to show both bridges, Pigeon Key, and Marathon far in the distance.  I would crop the photo to eliminate some of the sky, but keep all horizontal view.  V  C  05:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ –Fredddie™ 17:24, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Great picture and good regional diversity. &mdash;  P C  B  04:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

July 2011
Pennsylvania Route 897 south in Terre Hill, with watermelons on their way to a farmers market. Interesting picture from PA.  Dough 48  72  15:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * +1 on the picture, but -1 on the caption. –Fredddie™ 03:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Cirrus clouds hover over Pennsylvania Route 144 in Noyes Township, Clinton County.
 * Better idea, the PA 897 photo can be used for AFD 2012.  Dough 48  72  02:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

August 2011
U.S. Route 550 crosses the San Juan Mountains via the Molas Pass.

A picture from Colorado that's not of the Glenwood Canyon. –Fredddie™ 02:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Indeed the Million Dollar Highway and San Juan Skyway deserve far more coverage than currently given in wikipedialand, IMO. I also nominated US 550 for a DYK, but will gladly differ if this is the selected picture.Dave (talk) 22:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a way we could work in your DYK hook into the caption? –Fredddie™ 23:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Have not seen a western mountain picture for a while.  Dough 48  72  15:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

September 2011
U.S. Route 40 passing along the shores of the Jordanelle Reservoir with Mount Timpanogos in the background.

I know it might be best to postpone this if the San Juan pic goes through for August, just saying, the more I look at this pic, the more I like it, and US-40 is visible in it.Dave (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hold. I like it, but we can save it for another time. –Fredddie™ 05:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - where's the road? --Rschen7754 09:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're asking a serious or rhetorical question, but assuming serious, it's not in the foreground but it goes across the picture. It's most easily visible on the far right edge about half way down. Visible is fresh rock cut, from then one can follow the ribbon across the photo. Were this picture taken from a somewhat higher vantage point it could be used to show the pre-and post reservoir alignments of US-40. Dave (talk) 22:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I suspected, but if someone can't tell, then it's probably a bad picture for a roads portal. --Rschen7754 01:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Road is barely visible in photo and is not the main subject. In addition, we have a good western mountain picture to use for August.  Dough 48  72  00:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Interstate 70 approaching its interchange with U.S. Route 522 in Hancock, Maryland. In the background is the cut in Sideling Hill through which Interstate 68 passes on its way toward Cumberland.

I was surprised to find Maryland has never had a Selected picture in this portal.  V C  04:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Nice to see a new state, along with eastern mountain scenery.  Dough 48  72  01:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I didn't care much for this picture until I noticed the Sideling Cut. –Fredddie™ 05:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
Dump truck traveling just west of Waterville, Washington, on US Route 2


 * Ngs61 (talk) 02:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose per regional balance. I like the photo, don't get me wrong, but we have states that have not had a turn with the selected picture. –Fredddie™ 02:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The Linn Cove Viaduct near Grandfather Mountain on the Blue Ridge Parkway in autumn.
 * Beautiful fall photo of a scenic road, appropriate for this time of year.  Dough 48  72  02:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I withdrew the IL one for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzadi1979 (talk • contribs)
 * Support. Nice. –Fredddie™ 02:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support THE iconic location of the Blue Ridge Parkway.  V C  03:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Caption idea: The Linn Cove Viaduct near Grandfather Mountain on the Blue Ridge Parkway in autumn &mdash;  V C  03:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

November 2011
M-77 heading north toward Grand Marais, Michigan. Never seen MI aside from AFD.  Dough 48  72  00:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

The original M-15 (now County Road 492) between Marquette and Negaunee, Michigan in 1917 showing the first centerline on a state highway. I am resurrecting this Michigan candidate from 2010. This one is more significant than a random road with autumn foliage.  V C  20:56, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment—I have no objection to either. I did amend the centerline caption though because CR 492 has its own article now.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
A snowman made of tumbleweed at the Big I interchange in Albuquerque, New Mexico. A picture that goes along with the holiday theme. In addition, we have never had a New Mexico picture before.  Dough 48  72  02:29, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hrm. It was a DYK picture last January.  Have we reused a DYK picture for the selected picture before? –Fredddie™ 03:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This month's picture was used for DYK in March 2010.  Dough 48  72  19:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)