Portal talk:Association football/Archive 1

Format
I moved the WikiProjects box to the bottom of the left column, to make way for more news and better balance out the two columns, which are now virtually even. Phoenix2 16:26, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Current Tournements
Would it be a good idea to have a box for quick access to ongoing major tournements (here's a sample idea). Currently this is World Cup qualifiers and the continental club championships (i've only covered europe due to igronace, which includes how to spell). Domestic cups/leagues should be a link due to the large number of them. This could also be used to cover the FIFA World Club Championship, Confederations Cup, continental cups (such as the European Football Championship), and womens events.

Players Honours
I think a box displaying exactly what football honours a player has won, would be very useful on each player's page. I have been trying to establish this information and it's a pain trawling through the text, which doesn't always seem to list some of the lower honours a player has won. Any thoughts as this sounds like a portal-wide project??

Redirect
I think that soccer should, in time, redirect to this portal. To read more about association football, a reader can simply click on the more about football... link. Phoenix2 21:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That won't be accepted as long as the Avoid self-references style guide is present on Wikipedia, and I think it will be for a long time. :) It is also a matter of being an encyclopedia. When people search for something, they want to find an article, not some project, portal or similar. Your idea isn't bad, but it won't fit under the style guides set up for Wikipedia. -- Elisson | Talk 21:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It's too late now, but since Phoenix2 went and made the redirect a fait accompli in September 2005, there's nothing much that can be done about it now, is there. Ignoring the comment above by Johan Elisson and unilaterally tagging "Portal:soccer" with an auto redirect to "Portal:Association football" was (and still is) very unfortunate, especially  since (1) the idea wasn't put forth for community discussion (i.e., "Village Pump") for pros/cons and general consensus about doing that, and (2) that "Association football" is certainly not a universally-used or even commonly-used term for soccer.  (If you doubt me, go take a look at "Portal:Football" and you'll see that "Association football" is defined there as being a subset of "soccer".)  K. Kellogg-Smith 17:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I honestly can't understand what you're talking about. Care to explain a little better? – Elisson • T • C • 17:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiportal
Should this wikiportal now be placed in the wikiportals template now that it is more or less complete? (Also added to the wikiportals list on that page and removed from the under construction section.) Phoenix2
 * Yeah, forgot that completely. I've now added it. Thanks for the updates, looks more professional now! -- Elisson | Talk 22:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I also just added a link to the portal from the Football (soccer) page. Phoenix2 22:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikiprojects: notable matches
I've been thinking for a while that it would be good if WP had articles on each FA Cup final, so I've decided to make a start on it. I also had the same idea for European Cup finals, and was surprised to find that most world cup finals don't have an article, so I've created the following WikiProjects:


 * WikiProject FA Cup finals
 * WikiProject UEFA Champions League finals
 * WikiProject Football World Cup finals

and a parent project to link them all together:

*WikiProject Football (soccer) cup finals
 * WikiProject Football (soccer) matches

I've copied the names directly from what seem to be the wikipedia standards, so please direct the usual complaints about the word soccer to Talk:Bollocks or somewhere :-þ

The projects are empty at the moment, so does anyone have any suggestions for them? The first thing I'm wondering is whether the year should go before the competition, like 1966 World Cup Final or after it. But any ideas for templates or infoboxes, or offers to write a bot to create stubs for each one would be brilliant. Oh yeah, and an article or two would be good too. CTOAGN 19:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I increased the scope of the parent project to football (soccer) matches, so it could include matches such as England v Hungary (1953). CTOAGN 11:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject on Football
I've been working on this project for a little over a month now, and I would say it is ready to be "released". The project's aim is primarily to establish and organize standards for football related articles which hopefully results in well-structured and well-written articles, and possibly also in featured articles.

Related to the above started projects on notable matches, I think all projects related to football should be gathered under just one project, and not have separate project pages. Otherwise we would have dozens of WikiProjects, ranging from FA Cup finals to Chinsese football clubs, which I believe would only make it more difficult to organize a good standard for football articles there on Wikipedia. Thus my proposal is to "abandon" the above project pages and move them to the WikiProject on Football matches manual of style page (where special finals may also have their own subpages). I hope this is accepted by CTOAGN. :) I am sorry I didn't disclose the project to you all earlier, as that might have prevented this "problem" from appearing in the first place.

I've at the same time placed a template on top of this page,, which, if you think it is a good idea, may be placed on all talk pages of articles related to football. This would spread the word of a football project even faster, and would be a fast way of telling everyone that edits football articles that there is a standard being formed for such articles. Further discussion on the template/banner matter should be taken on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. -- Elisson &bull; Talk 19:30, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good idea to have a project for football on Wikipedia, and I've added my name to it. I'm not sure that splitting it into subprojects is a bad idea, though, as it's such a broad subject, so I'd rather keep the football matches projects as subprojects of Wikiproject Football.  But of course, I would say that :-)  I'll go along with whatever the consensus is.


 * One advantage of splitting into subprojects is that they might be more relevant for people who don't have a particular interest in football but might be able to help. For example, I've put the FA Cup finals project on the UK Wikipedians' Notice Board as it might appeal to some of them who wouldn't normally come here.  Also, if for example we wanted to organise translators to translate the French/Italian/Spanish clubs' pages from their own WP, it might be better to create separate projects and make them subprojects of both Football and any relevant language translation projects - might be able to attract more contributors that way. CTOAGN 12:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * What I meant was more like moving for example the FA Cup project to the WikiProject Football namespace, instead of having it as a separate namespace at WikiProject FA Cup finals. The change is merely cosmetic. Instead of linking to a separate WikiProject, you link to WikiProject Football/Matches/FA Cup Finals, or similar. Treat it as a separate project when needed, and in the next moment treat it as part of the WP on Football. :) -- Elisson &bull; Talk 18:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I think I'll leave it as it is until we have a few more collaborators and a consensus. You're right that it won't make much difference for now, as nobody is doing much work on matches (even I don't intend to for the next couple of weeks) but for the reasons I gave above I'd rather have multiple projects in a hierarchy.  I also think WikiProject Football clubs should be placed as a sub-project of WikiProject Football - it would be good to keep them together. CTOAGN 23:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Great work!! --202.47.51.150 04:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Endless edit war
I am becomming weary of an endless edit war between myself and an anon user on Football World Cup, regarding the placing of the USA and Yugoslavia in the 1930 competition. I am seeking sensible arbitration and some hard facts. Please see Talk:Football_World_Cup Jooler 22:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Turkey and Switzerland sanctions
Is there any information in Wikipedia related to the sactions both teams have? You can read more here Gadig 02:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Revamp
I'm planning to give the Portal a bit of a new look; not too much change, just a few minor tweaks to hopefully make the page better looking, and an attempt to make the updates a bit more frequent. Any comments/ideas about any change needed, or any opposition to the proposal is welcome. -Aabha (talk) 11:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

New topic about politics and football
Hello everybody, i'm coming from France and i'm about to create a new topic, his name is "links between politics and football", i'm waiting for tour contributions. Thanks Katyusha 20:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Tasks
I was meaning to propose this in some days (being a bit busy), but the Portal has been nominated for featured status, so I thought we need to work on this now.

There are several things/topics that need regular updating, and I was thinking if we could have volunteers for each one of them, the task would become a lot simpler. Anyone can obviously still add anything they wish to, but if there is someone taking responsiblity, things won't get outdated (and out-of-hand).

It is just a proposal, any comments are welcome. Aabha (talk) 13:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Vatican City
Hey Guys, new to the soccer project, so don't know where best to ask/mention this. I tried my best to revamp the article on the national team of Vatican City. My friend got me interested and was able to find a screenshot (of an apparent news program) showing the VC team in uniform! I have no idea how to "design" the jerseys on the template though. Any help (and more info on what LCCV stands for as well) would be great. DOAsaturn 04:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi DOAsaturn, For the team kit patterns, have a look at Template talk:Football kit. I don't think I'll be able to help you with anything to do with the Vatican City team..have a look at http://www.rsssf.com/ ..it might be of some help. If you have any more questions, post them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football; that is really the hub of the football community discussions, and you definitely should get more responses there. Aabha (talk) 10:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

News
As this portal is now a link for World Cup headlines perhaps we should include links to the WikiNews match reports for example France draw with Switzerland in Group G Jooler 00:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I never thought I was going to say this, but...
Congratulations Australia for making it to the Round of 16. And you were really good against Croatia - too bad it had to end in a draw. Scott Gall 06:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC) PS: To any New Zealanders reading this, I'm only backing Australia because they qualified and we didn't.


 * Shame they didn't get any further though, I think they deserved to beat Italy!Abcdefghijklm 17:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

1997 UEFA Women's Championship
Saw 1997 UEFA Women's Championship in the list of pages to be created and I did it. Check 1997 UEFA Women's Championship and add info that you may have that I don't. --Serte 12:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Just created 1995 UEFA Women's Championship too. I'll probably do the others later. --Serte 12:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

1993 UEFA Women's Championship and 2009 UEFA Women's Championship with available info done. --Serte 13:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice work. For future reference, new articles relating to football can be added to WikiProject Football/New articles. Oldelpaso 15:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

What the hell is "soccer"?
Another produce of anglophilia? 00:18, 5 July 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.138.0.158 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 5 July 2006.
 * Wrong, anonymous one. The Angles (aka Brits) call the sport football.  Soccer is the word used by Americans.  --Nelson Ricardo 00:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But the word "soccer" is of English origin, not American. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 08:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have reference for this? -- S iva1979 Talk to me 19:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

'DOES ANYONE, ANYWHERE, EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, REFER TO FOOTBALL AS ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL''? ''' This is just another reason why Wikipedia is not and never will be an encyclopedia. --202.47.49.233 18:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * FIFA's statutes define 'Association Football' as the game they (FIFA) run (http://www.fifa.com/documents/static/regulations/statutes_08_2006_en.pdf) and the OED lists Association (along with Rugby and American) as one of the main codes of football. Although not in common usage it is the name of the game, and it avoids the ambiguity induced by using unqualified 'football' to refer to a particular code of football or the unencylcopedic use of a colloquialism such as 'soccer'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ReadingOldBoy (talk • contribs) 08:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

World Cup
Who decided that the World Cup is the most important sporting event in the world? How is that an unbiased, encyclopedic view? Maybe it should read "arguably one of the most..." or "can be considered..." I seriously doubt that it should be stated definitively as the most important sporting event in teh world. Sven Erixon 14:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you point out exaclty what it is you are objecting to? Where is it said that it is the imost important sporting event in the World. I might argue that it is, but I'd like to know the context of the text that you find problematic. If your are objecting to the text regarding the World Cup that formed part of the featured article text and that appears on this page, then the text reads "most important competition in international football" and says international football rather than sport. I think few would argue with that. Jooler 15:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Petar Houbchev
Who's got some information about Petar Houbchev, defender from Bulgaria?The article poor is pretty at the moment. -Lemmy- 10:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Game reports
I'm looking for game reports for Bundesliga games as I take care of Eintracht Frankfurt season 2006-07.Celtic has reports like the following Celtic F.C. season 2006-07.Any idea where I can find links like these?-Lemmy- 14:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What about kicker or ARD? To me, they are at least on par with the BBC. Poulsen 15:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * They are,but I think that in English Wikipedia an English languaged match report would be more appropiate.-Lemmy- 16:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, try Soccernet then. Poulsen 17:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Or Eurosport? Poulsen 17:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Great!The ESPN reports are good.Thanks!-Lemmy- 17:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiprojects
Is there a Wikiproject that is working on British or English football? Thanks --Dweller 13:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * All football is dealt with by WikiProject Football there no national versions. josh (talk) 17:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Two articles about the current finnish league
Look at : Veikkausliiga season 2007 and : Veikkausliiga 2006/2007.

It seems the latter is the most updated ; but there is no 2006/2007 season in Finland. It starts in April and finishes... hem... don't know, around November i guess (29 october in 2006).

82.240.207.81 13:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Alfredo Di Stéfano
He hasn't played for the Colombia national football team. The infobox is not correct. Or do you refer to a source? to have a look at WP:de and RSSSF--Graupe 10:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Real Madrid
i am after setting up a real madrid wikiproject if anybody is interested in joining. WikiProject Real Madrid. Smithcool 22:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Average attendances
Can anyone provide new figures for the article Average attendances of European football clubs as it is from the season 2005-06 and I can't find any sources for the last season. -Lemmy- 21:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for an answer...-Lemmy- 16:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Darko Pančev
The second section of the article is written in a very strange style. Looks like an admirer and a opponent of Pančev wrote the section at the same time. Needs definitely a revision. -Lemmy- 16:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dual_nationality
A real bad example how origins can be exaggered. Needs overworking Talk:List_of_German_football_players_with_dual_nationality -Lemmy- 19:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

What is a "jonda"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slovakia_national_football_team —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.221.106 (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Slovakia - The Fighting Jondas (orig.: Bojovni Jondovci): meaning = ?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.221.106 (talk) 17:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've asked this question for you at Reference desk/Language, if anyone knows they'll reply there soon. Nanonic (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.213.128 (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Greek Football
I just noticed that virtually all lower Greek teams are named "Town FC" in the name, e.g. Fokikos F.C. (Transliteration from greek "AS"), Anagennisi Arta F.C. (originally GAS PAE). This is on the one hand simplifying it, on the other hand wrong, only "PS" (if I'm not mistaken) would qualify. And normally I think you'd keep the original names. Others are Sports Clubs or Sports Unions or something completely different. I would consider it a good move to move these articles to the correct names, but don't do so as of now since the relinking would be some major work and I dunno whether there is some policy to do so. On the other hand, you do not say Milan F.C., Helsinki F.C. or Hamburg F.C. (where the first two at least mean "Football Club", which many of the Greek examples don't). --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Bloemfontein Celtic

 * May I ask you to help with translation of some african nick-names into English or German.


 * Bloemfontein Celtic - Phunya Sele Sele. What does it mean? --Mswahili (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

FC Mordovia Saransk
87.119.231.235 (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC) Current Squad yes??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.119.231.235 (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC) i hav some quiestens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.18.114 (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Selected article : British-centric
The Selected article feature is very British-centric and stale. I understand the requirement for FA-class articles but I believe the requirements should be relaxed a bit. It is inconceivable that there are many British teams represented but there is no article for such important teams as River Plate, Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Botafogo, or many others of the FIFA Clubs of the 20th Century. -- Alexf(talk) 19:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hungary national football team
Could you please rate the page? It has got improved much since the last rating.

Thanks Euqauhaneuqolt (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Key to player position abbreviations
I have searched with mounting frustration for more than ten minutes to find a place in WikiProject Football where there is talk or discussion or question space, without success, so I will somewhat arbitrarily dump my question here and see what happens.

Is there a Wikipedia help page that lists football player position abbreviations, such as GK, RB, CB, LB, RM, CM, LM, SS, and CF, etc., and explains what those abbreviations mean? Without such an explanation, the use of those abbreviations in match reports presumes foreknowledge on the part of the reader which is not always present. In my case, I cannot guess what SS stands for, for example.

Where abbreviations are used in league tables, the abbreviations (P, W, D, L...) are explained using such legends as abbr="Won" where the W is used, so a reader need only hover over the W to see what it stands for. Just because football is so popular globally does not mean everyone knows everything about it. Thank you for any help finding a list of player codes and their meanings. — O'Dea (talk) 09:00, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

New Eintracht Frankfurt jersey
Could anyone create the two new Eintracht Frankfurt shirts as a template? It would be very appreciated! Pictures: http://www.eintracht.de/aktuell/bilder/368/ :-) Cheers! -Lemmy- (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Record wins & losses stats
Hello!

I have a query about including any records from friendly matches in the stats pages of teams. I have recently been doing research into the history of Corinthian F.C. and found that they inflicted what appears to be Man Utd's biggest ever defeat, namely 11-3, in London in 1904. I have nothing against Man U and, from what I hear, Man U's perhaps biggest win ever was 14-1 against a team called New Brighton. Now, I am not arguing that these results are considered as their official biggest wins/losses, but that they are at least included in a team's stats page under, say, a separate "unofficial matches" or "non-competitive matches" or "friendly matches" sub-heading. I believe this should be the case for all teams' stats pages, as such matches have taken place and have had their results recorded by the clubs involved at the very least. This is especially important for a team like Corinthians, who were exclusively amateur until many years later.

(I have been discussing this issue here) - now, I do not want you to think I am picking a fight with Man Utd fans on their page - I am not. I want a general rule to be accepted throughout Wikipedia. I merely think that all important results should be included in the encyclopedia - even if it has to be in a footnote (but better to have a separate section for it in the main article, rather than a footnote!). Please read my arguments on the Man U page, and if you want, let's continue the discussion on this page here, to keep it in one place. Thanks! BigSteve (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This discussion should not take place on a Portal talk page. You should keep it on the article talk page or the WikiProject Football talk page. – PeeJay 00:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm asking it here because I would like to know if there is a general policy for this on WP. BigSteve (talk) 09:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And I'm telling you that a Portal talk page is not the appropriate place for that. The appropriate forum for this discussion would be at WT:FOOTY. – PeeJay 19:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Two notices at the top of the page. Both saying 'this page is for asking questions about the portal'. No-one comes to this talk page anyway. This is the most activity it's had for years. Nanonic (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Selected biographies
After looking through our 22 selected biographies, I realized that 7 of them are below GA-class (mostly former GA's). Is it time to replace these with other articles that are GA's or better? The articles in question is Frank Barson, David Beckham, Adam Boyd, Henrik Larsson, Pelé, Zinedine Zidane, Edin Osmanović. It should also be noted that the blurb of Franck Ribéry needs heavy trimming, as it is way too long. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Gegenpressing
How about an article on the Gegenpressing approach, as utilized by Jurgen Klopp? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.89.104.116 (talk) 11:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Community flags in Spanish women's national football team, #Team section
Some IP has added these flags 5 years ago to the name field of each player in the team's section. They aren't used anywhere else. It has been brought up in the talk section. They were removed a couple of months ago but a user who seems to edit a lot in this article has reinstated them since (as "vandalism").

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spain_women%27s_national_football_team&oldid=810830891#Team

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_women%27s_national_football_team#Team

The issue is that no other national team has these flags (not even Spain's men's team) and it isn't even possible to determine them as there's no Andalusian passport that would tell us that player X has to have an Andalusian flag, etc. This seems completely arbitrary.

Others are complaining about this user regarding compliance with MOS:FLAG in other articles, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lagarto-spock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016%E2%80%9317_Primera_Divisi%C3%B3n_(women)#Flags

92.196.30.218 (talk) 11:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * wrong place to ask, you should ask association football related topic in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Matthew_hk   t  c  12:06, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Harry Roberts (footballer, born 1906)
In Talk:Harry Roberts (footballer, born 1906) there is a hint to wrong data of life. -- Jesi (talk) 11:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * , you should post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Matthew_hk   t  c  11:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, sry and thanks. -- Jesi (talk) 11:30, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Add Association football portal
I want to add Association football Portal to football player articles by JarBot and i ask for approval.--جار الله (talk) 05:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? – PeeJay 09:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry i meant Association football portal.--جار الله (talk) 09:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, just do it. You don't need approval. – PeeJay 10:45, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Status report from the Portals WikiProject
WikiProject Portals is back!

The project was rebooted and completely overhauled on April 17th, 2018.

Its goals are to revitalize the entire portal system, make building and maintaining portals easier, and design the portals of the future.

As of April 29th, membership is at 56 editors, and growing.

There are design initiatives for revitalizing the portals system as a whole, and for each component of portals.

Tools are provided for building and maintaining portals, including automated portals that update themselves in various ways.

And, if you are bored and would like something to occupy your mind, we have a wonderful task list.

From your friendly neighborhood Portals WikiProject. &mdash; The Transhumanist  03:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Football at the Summer Olympics - participating nations
I improved the article Football at the Summer Olympics in my draft page User:Faycal.09/Draft 5. I suggest to replace the present article. You can vote by agree or disagree in the page here. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't write on Portal talks, no-one watches them, no-one reads them, hence the message at the top saying that. Post on the Olympic and Football project's talk instead. Nanonic (talk) 21:07, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for warring me. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Rq: Discussion redirected on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics page. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 22:10, 1 September 2018 (UTC)