Portal talk:Catholic Church/Archive 1

DYK
I'm not sure who is updating the DYK section in the portal page, but wondering if that person is actually going by the suggestions, since this page doesn't seem to be ever touched. Cheers ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε†αLҝ 13:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks great!¬ Xandar (talk) 12:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

sevegon nun! detroit michigan ya was fooling last visit! waltrutka@yahoo.com i was just kidding! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.61.221 (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Cardinal of Catholic Church
I introduced this template to apply in cardinals' pages. You can see a demonstration on the page of cardinal Camillo Ruini and Angelo Bagnasco. I'm of it.wiki and I wish that you can apply this template to all cardinals in this wikipedia! Thanks. -- andrea_brescio   §  in fructus labore 20:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The infobox is very good- although I would suggest removing the little biretta at the top, its a nice touch but I think it clutters it up a bit. Gavin Scott (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am just wondering, the Pope infobox could do with a space for the coat of arms like the one you have made in the Cardinal Infobox, do you think you could do that? Gavin Scott (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Intense yellow
Has anyone pointed out that the bright yellow in-use is rather difficult on the eyes? Perhaps it could be toned down a bit?--Ducio1234 (talk) 01:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was just coming here to say, "What's with the make-my-eyes-bleed-yellow?" This seems like it would require a consensus, due to the number of pages involved. ~ 10nitro (talk) 02:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Colour "gold" is well enough. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Written essay about Catholic faith
Would I be able to include a written essay on the Catholic faith ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan A. Zucker (talk • contribs) 09:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. Really, not anywhere on Wikipedia... Please review WP:NOT --Richard (talk) 07:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Richard, they are many links to various sites on wikipedia and I do not see why this one on Bible Group Pickings should be exempt. Alan A. Zucker (talk) 09:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

"Practicing Catholic"`
Is it possible for a woman who has married a divorced man to continue to accept and partake in sacraments? Is it poosible or appropriate for such a woman to hold a significant post in a Catholic Primary School in the UK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenagnew (talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think we'd be able to answer this question. If you are the teacher in question, please ask your pastor to refer you to your diocesan tribunal. If you are not, please consider that the particulars of such a case likely involve matters of the internal forum, and you're not likely to ever get an answer to your question. Gentgeen (talk) 07:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't answer the question above, so I agree with the previous reply, ask your pastor. I will make the following general points, for later readers:
 * Whether you are single, married, divorced, obtained an decree of annulment is a matter of public record. This is the external forum. (at least in the US)
 * To marry someone while married to someone else -- that is, not having obtained a decree of annulment, and aware of the law of the Church on this -- is an objectively sinful act, and places one in an objective state of sin which requires repentance and living apart from the second spouse, pending obtaining an annulment of the prior marriage, before returning to the altar to receive Holy Communion.
 * Whether or not someone is within the process of obtaining an annulment, received absolution, living apart, etc. is a matter of the internal forum, i.e. private.
 * People who hold a significant post in a Catholic primary school should be practicing the Catholic faith in public and private, be free from scandal, and public sin. patsw (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Evangelization article
Just wanted to bring to attention the wikipedia articles evangelization and evangelism and ask what others think about the question. Should they be merged? If so, should evangelism be merged with evangelization or vice-versa? At the moment evangelization is only a stub because I haven't had the time to develop it. But seeing that the current evangelism article is POV in a protestant evangelical sense, if evangelization were to be merged with evangelism I believe that some people should be interested in helping straighten out the evangelism article so that it would be more NPOV and equally acceptable by evangelicals and catholics. Lwangaman (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Bathtub Madonna
There is currently a discussion (Talk:Bathtub madonna) about moving the article Bathtub madonna [sic] to Yard shrine or similar. Informed opinions would be helpful. 208.59.93.238 (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Ida Raming and Gisela Forster
I translated articles to Ida Raming and Gisela Forster. GLGermann (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Where are the other catholics?
I mean the Category:Catholics not in communion with Rome. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 16:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Expert help needed
A few sections in Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences have a seemingly inferior logic that perhaps affects a larger selection of subsections. Those interested who are proficient in theology, philosophy and logic, might give a helping hand by assessing relevant subsections and giving comment at the talk page HERE! Thank you for your attention, and otherwise happy editing! Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 09:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Naming the parts of a Catholic Church building
I am trying to learn the names of various features of a typical Catholic Church building. These include the altar, sanctuary, Narthex, etc. I have been unable to find an article that addresses this. If there is such and article, perhaps it can be made easier to find. If there is not, I would like to request one. Thank--Lbeaumont (talk) 16:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)s,

Hello, Lbeaumont,

Due to the overlap between architectures in different Christian churches (often with Orthodoxy), there is not one definitive article on the subject, but I think you will find Church architecture most useful for your purposes. de Mediātōre Scientiae (discutere) 01:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

New Article on Elizabeth Scalia
I just added an entry on the U.S. Roman Catholic writer Elizabeth Scalia, and a 'bot has already come along to question its sourcing (which includes CBS, NPR, First Things, and Patheos, along with a local Catholic Channel in New York). I'm wondering if someone can back me up by adding the article to his/her "watch list," lest someone try to "speedy-delete" it when I'm distracted by RL issues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Scalia Scooge (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I put it on my watchlist. It does need more sourcing from independent, third-party sources, but I don't think that's a reason it should be deleted, at least now. I don't think that was a bot that tagged the article. You might express your concerns, as well any plans for improvments, on the article's talk page. Cresix (talk) 21:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Why is list of popes (graphical) is deleted and redirected?
I am sorry if this is a wrong place to ask this question. But I want to know why List of popes (graphical) is blanked and redirected to List of popes article when the majority of |editors are against it.

Reviewing the history only one person User:Sottolacqua is repeatedly deleting it. Should I revert it or can some one please help me in this regard?

--Jayarathina (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Pope John Paul II article peer review
The Pope John Paul II article is on peer review. -- Marek. 69  talk  22:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Monasticism
Interesting .... There is no link from the Catholicism portal to the whole field of Christian monasticism. There is a monasticism portal on the French wikipedia, but not even a link into that field here. In case I just missed it, I tried visiting hte page on Cistercians first, then tracing links back up to here (or to ANYwhere) but no luck. The two areas do not connect. That is telling, in so many ways.... The article on Monasticism tries to cover the whole gamut of this form of religious expression, including the monasticism practised by other faiths such as Tibetan Buddhism. So, there is something sorely lacking here. We need a category for Catholic monastic orders and a listing linking to all of them and then from them backlinking to here. BeeTea (talk) 14:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Portal Catholicism Symbol.jpg
Perhaps the top banner File:Portal Catholicism Symbol.jpg should be updated, replacing Ratzinger with Francis? Cambalachero (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Feast day listed at Redirects for discussion
I have asked for a discussion to address the redirect Feast day. You might want to participate in the redirect discussion.--Jayarathina (talk) 11:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Former Catholic church buildings
A discussion is currently underway here that may interest the project. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Theological Titles Template
I'd like to try to develop something for this portal for the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Of course colors would be Yellow and Red for the most part to represent The Vatican. Anyone interested?

Sample: (RIGHT HAND SIDE):

Twillisjr (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I strongly doubt its usefulness. What is theological about the title of "cardinal"? or of "monsignor"?  Perhaps the only theological ranks (ordines in Latin) are bishop, priest (presbyter), and deacon.  As for titles and offices, there may be hundreds: I have added some generic ones – only some.  If you were to add particular titles, those concerning a particular place, they must be in their hundreds of thousands.  Esoglou (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that User:AsteriskStarSplat has transcluded the template to many articles. Rightly perhaps?  Esoglou (talk) 18:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I also noticed "Friar" could be added, but I am unsure as to where to put it. I know that a Catholic Church locally has a Friar handling operations, Friar but I am unsure how it would be organized in order next to "Priest" and so forth. Twillisjr (talk) 12:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

So I just wanted to get clarifications on a few things: Thanks — Asterisk *  Splat → 20:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) the order of these titles, they appear to roughly by rank/status, is that correct?
 * 2) is it possible to separate out the more commonly used titles from the historic/extra-ordinary titles into two or more sections?
 * 3) can the template have a show/hide feature for each separate section, and be hidden by default (see template:Eastern Christianity, template:LDSpolygamy, template:Anthropology of kinship & Template:Close relationships for examples)?
 * 4) with the sections hidden, could the box be formatted to match the width of template:Eastern Christianity, since they are both found on several of these articles?

I have been working with the Eastern Christianity template as requested, but could not figure out how to change the size. Here is a piece of code I was working on, maybe it can assist (VATICAN CITY ART EXHIBITS, BELOW):

Need help with the Church of England/Anglican Church articles
UPDATE: There is a portal and Wiki Project Page for Anglicanism, and it can be found below: WikiProject_Anglicanism. Twillisjr (talk) 21:49, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello brethren, the folks over at the Church of England/Anglican Church is engaging in what I believe to be historical revisionism, trying to date back the Church of England to the time of Augustine - but we all know that this was the Catholic Church in England. What I'm trying to say guys, is that not only did King Henry VIII steal the Catholic Church's assets in England - but they're now trying to rewrite history to say that the Church of England long dates back to Augustine. It would be highly advised that to encourage WP:NPOV and to avoid WP:COI, a few people hop over there to provide some assistance. These articles include Talk:Anglican Church of Australia and Talk:Church of England. 110.33.120.196 (talk) 03:38, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Read WP:CAN. This request is inappropriate, and it would be inappropriate to respond to it. Neither of the contradictory views on the matter (which have been expressed by a comparison with washing your face on the one hand, and even as due to a personal propensity of Henry VIII on the other) can be put forward in Wikipedia's voice.  Ideally, the poster of the request should immediately autorevert.  I would delete the request myself, but would like first to know I have support.  If someone else removes it, I will support that action.  Esoglou (talk) 07:24, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The Church of England, as an ecclesial institution does date back to St. Augustine of Canterbury just as the current French Catholic church dates back to St. Irenaeus and St. Germanus etc. The separation from the Church of Rome occurred in the 16th century but the church had been around for more than 1,000 years. Moreover, any and all editions have to be based on cited works that themselves are reliable. Your opinion is not a reliable source to be cited as it is entirely subjective. SeminarianJohn (talk) 05:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, there are obviously different views on this subject, something articles should reflect. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Catholic/Catholicism naming conventions
You are invited to contribute to a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catholicism regarding better consistency in using the terms Catholic and Catholicism throughout Wikipedia. --Zfish118 (talk) 17:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, do you know where the archive discussion is situated, please? Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism/Archive 2014 -- John of Reading (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Siri thesis
Can someone 'actually answer the question' I am asking as the other person does not wish to. Jackiespeel (talk) 09:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Portal:Catholicism → Portal:Catholic Church – What about changing from "Catholicism" to "Catholic Church" per WP:Consistency? Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you mean to request that this be moved into template space? P p p er y 20:39, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. Thanks for the correction! Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:18, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose I think the portal is fine where it is. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:20, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose, 's intent is good, but I don't think is is necessary. This is not as much a front-facing page like an article... this is a portal, which is very heavy in terms of subpages. Doing done some portal moves recently, there is usually a tremendous amount of cleanup on subpages to be done post-move. While I have full trust that an admin would perform the move correctly, seeing Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Catholicism/ and Special:PrefixIndex/Portal talk:Catholicism/, I honestly don't think it's worth it. — Andy W. ( talk ) 00:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support a page/article of that name as a redirect until this can be discussed more in depth. Twillisjr (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * portal created, if that's what you meant — Andy W. ( talk ) 03:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current title is unambiguous, while the proposed title is highly ambiguous. Andrewa (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The head article Catholicism shows that they topic is much broader that the Catholic Church. There may be a case for narrowing the scope of this portal, but that case has not been made here, let alone achieved a consensus. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To both of the above: that is part of the issue at stake: that Catholicism, as Wikipedia puts it, isn't exactly the same thing as the Catholic Church. Thus the two votes about I suppose should be interpretated as that two different portals would do, if we are to maintain this one under its current name. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * that's quite a long stretch of interpretation. If you want to split the portal in two, launch a discussion on that proposal, preferably as an RFC ... but don't take this renaming discussion as an indication of consensus for a split. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:11, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Consensus on Wikipedia on groupings of Christian denominations
I opened a discussion on groupings in Christianity, of which there currently seems to lack a consensus on Wikipedia. The discussion might be of interest for followers of this talk page. Please see: Talk:Christianity. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This category of lists could be at hand in order to work out a more coherent WP:Consistency in relevant article content across the board: Category:Lists of Christian denominations. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:55, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

History of the Catholic Church
Both the naming of many national equivalent articles and their relevant categories would benefit from the same evaluation as previous ones. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC) Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Current discussion - see Talk:Catholic Church. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC) Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Protestant denominations in the United States
You may wishto have a look at this talk page. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:33, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Standardised presentation of episcopal conferences
Please see: Category_talk:Bishops_conferences. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Categories discussion: Roman Catholic/Catholic/Latin
Please see here. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC) Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Origin of the Church of England
Issue about infobox statements. Please see discussion at Talk:Church_of_England. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

New discussions on Catholicism (term)
Several new discussions and proposals were initiated recently on the page Talk:Catholicism (term). Surprisingly, there was no notification here. More participation would be welcomed. Sorabino (talk) 15:40, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Merge proposal of List of Christian denominations by number of members into List of Christian denominations
For details, please see Talk:List of Christian_denominations. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Portal "News" needs updating
Greetings, Today I noticed that Portal:Catholicism/News is from 2013, and could use "newer news". Category:2017 in Christianity may be helpful. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * News is now posted up to July, 2017. If you find anything even more current, please update. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians to be moved to Anti-Eastern Orthodox sentiment. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. Sorabino (talk) 21:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC)