Portal talk:Israel/Archive 1

Spacing
Hi Humus and Neutrality, good work! There should be no white blocks of empty space next to/above/below articles. Try to have the page filled evenly. This looks like an excellent start! Best wishes. IZAK 10:30, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking of adding a few more panels:


 * History & Places
 * People
 * Cuisine
 * Arts & Culture
 * Categories
 * Why only thinking instead of doing? Don't have time right now.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 20:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The portal turned out wonderful! However, there is a small technical peoblem: the right box is lower and not parallel to the right box. MathKnight 07:15, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Got it. El_C 08:21, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Firefox renders it OK. But I just saw what IE makes out of it and now "I can feel your pain". Let's try to fix it somehow.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 07:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks better. Please see if this works for you, folks.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 08:12, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Shortcuts
I'd like to propose a new shortcut for the portal: WP:Israel, but not really happy with the current placement. See also WP:WNBI. &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 17:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey guys!
Hey guys, great job!

Just curious, though. Do you think it's time for a refresh? New featured articles, new Did you knows? That sort of thing? I can help if you need it. --Hersch 23:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, go ahead. You don't need to ask for permission around here.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 04:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Updated to the U of H article.. Is there an archive for Featured articles where I can put the Jerusalem info? --Hersch 22:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Good job. I didn't bother with the archive because I'm lazy I thought history function is enough.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 23:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Updated to the Masada article. I figure it's time for something new.. Took a suggestion from the proposed featured articles list. --Hersch 21:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew naming conventions
Urgent: see Naming conventions (Hebrew) to add your opinions about this important matter. Thank you. IZAK 17:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

News section seems absurd
The news section on the right seems an absurd collection of unencyclopedia-like content (WP:NOT a mere collection of external links). Yes, Israelis do have a thing for their news, and Jews around the world are very concerned about what's going on in Israel and its portrayal in world media. Still, that does not seem to justify something better found at a web directory and unparalleled in any other Wikiportals I've seen: indeed this section is meant for news updates themselves, not a listing of sources. When Humus sapiens first moved to this format with the question ''links to newssources are better than outdated news. Should we remove this panel altogether?'', I would have answered yes. Any opinions? jnothman talk 11:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should remove the panel. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  11:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

SHABAS
I'm posting this here since I don't think it will get much attention on WP:RA. Basically there is still no article on the prison service, SHABAS, and I think that's pretty bad. It's possibly the most important Israel-related article that still doesn't exist. The other one being Education Minister of Israel (there is a Finance Minister of Israel even though there's nothing about the ministry itself). I don't think many Wikipedians work for SHABAS, or there would've been something, but anyone who knows anything about the prison service, please create an article; it would be greatly appreciated. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 07:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You can also take information from he:שירות בתי הסוהר.


 * I am copying this to Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Israel-related topics where I feel it is more relevant. jnothman talk 01:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

banning of Pro Israel editors
You may be intesrted to look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Zeq/Proposed_decision

It resulted from very low particiopation in articles about the Middle east by pro-israeli editors which left it open for palestinian propeganda.

Zeq 07:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Lots of Problems with translatinos
First of all, the translation of "Did you Know" is wrong. It means "the know". Second, it is written in the feminine plaural. Unless every single wikipedia user is female (which is obviously not the case) it should be in the masculine. I have no Hebrew typing capability in IE, but if you have DavkaWriter give me your e-mail address and I will e-mail you the translation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smartyshoe (talk • contribs) 11:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC).
 * The translation is correct. '?הידעת' means 'Did you know?' -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Userbox
User Portal:Israel will produce. ←Humus sapiens ну? 10:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Fixing the portal
The portal is messed up, the right side is out of place. I tryed fixing it but without success. Can any one with a better knowhow fix it? --The Y mode 08:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Project Banners?
Shalom, all. I realize this isn't a WikiProject, and so I am not quite sure how it works differently. But seeing as how there is no "WikiProject Israel", I thought it might be pertinent that you (we) have a project banner to place on talk pages of articles, labeling them as Israeli articles and linking them back here. I was going to just go ahead and do it, but I decided as I am not a member of your project/portal, I'd talk it out first. Todah. LordAmeth 12:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Can we make a WikiProject Israel?


 * You absolutely could. And I'd love to join, once it gets off the ground. Check out WikiProjects for more info on how to start one up. LordAmeth 01:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Come visit WikiProject Israel to join in the Israel WikiFun! --יהושועEric 23:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Israeli cuisine
"Israelis love falafel and baba ganoush."

This sentence is downright ridiculous. As well note Israeli music by saying "Israelis love to listen to Chava Alberstein." Israel is diverse in its tastes and sub-cultures, just like any other country (and perhaps more than most). An article on Israeli cuisine might not be amiss, but alongside well-known Middle Eastern foods like hummus & tchina, you can also mention Ashkenazi foods like gefilte fish, holiday foods like hamantasch, and even Russian or Ethipian food. And of course the legal limitations of kosherness and associated controversy.

I'd edit it right now, but I haven't seen an article like this, and I think consensus would be a good idea, in this case. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 15:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't mind. See Category:Israeli cuisine. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Jews:no to assimilation, yes to acculturation
Jews today, like their ancestors in Alexandria, can be influenced by the world around them, adopt the ideas of surrounding culture, yet remain loyal Jews and not completely assimilate. We can live in both worlds and make a success of that situation. That is an important message for any Jew in modern times who wants to be both a civilized person and a true believer.-- HIZKIAH (User &#149; Talk) 08:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the Rambam, THE definitive source of Jewish history, knowledge and one of the most cultured human beings ever, claimed that the Jews of Alexandria were completely assimilated (and further would not be the chief rabbi of Alexandria due to this fact). Check out his biography, directly after his trip to Palestine.89.139.231.136 (talk) 17:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, this page is for discussion of the Wikipedia portal, not for general discussion of Judaism or Israel. If you run a google search, I'm sure you can find a nice forum for modern Judaism to discuss this in. Alternatively, you can start a blog on one of the many free platforms available. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 09:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

News
Bad news: so far we had 2 attempts to add news panel and both failed to keep up. Good news: There is no reason to duplicate/triplicate efforts at Portal:Current_events/Middle_East, Wikinews and here. I've added these (among few other) links to a new Wikimedia panel and I am going to comment out the news. Objections? ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured Portal Status
I would like to see Israel become a featured portal. Any suggestions on what is needed for that jump? --יהושועEric 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Couple of ideas - in the news, on this day, and a featured quotes section. Perhaps a featured biography. I think we need to also formalise the featured article/picture so that its changed once every week or two and we have a proper vote thing? What do you think? I think the news and on this day are quite important and so will start work on them Flymeoutofhere 08:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Having done some work on it today and looked at the featured portal criteria once again, I think we are there. So I'm going to put the nomination forwardFlymeoutofhere 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done all the work. Please comment at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Israel Flymeoutofhere 18:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

resolution
I am regularly using a 1024X768 resolution and the two main columns do not line up and never have. This needs to be dealt with. --Shuki 21:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I dont understand what you mean? Flymeoutofhere 14:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There are two main columns. The left side is topped with 'selected article', the right side 'selected picture'. On my screen, there is apparently not enough room for both columns, so the page is broken into a left column with blank space on the right side, and then reversed at the bottom of the left column where the right column starts. In contrast, the Canada, Turkey, and France portals do not have this issue. Could you please size the columns closer to France or Canada. (Turkey has a mucher wider left side than right side.) BTW, Great effort. --Shuki 18:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've copied the widths from the French portal into this one...Im not too strong on the technical side, so am not sure what else to do if this doesnt work. Let me know otherwise, though. Flymeoutofhere 18:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Still no dice. Now that I saw what you did, I might try later. If someone with experience can do it beforehand, than that would be best. --Shuki 20:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. I dont have any idea otherwise. Sorry. Flymeoutofhere 07:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

List of Olmert Ministry Scandals
Can we assemble a list of scadals in the current adminstration

Olmerts ministry has been plagued by a circus of scandals including.
 * 1. Rape allegations against President Moshe Katzav
 * 2. Rape allegations against former Justice minister Haim Ramon
 * 3. General incompetance with the conduct of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
 * 4. Embezzlement charges against Finance Minister Hirschon
 * 5. Corruption charges against Olmert from his time in Jerusalem and sale of Bank Leumi when he was finance minister.
 * 6. Selection of Amir Peretz for defense minister (Including the capped binoculars incident.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.163.16 (talk) 09:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

President Moshe Katzav was a lifetime LIKUD member, not Kadima, which is Olmert's party. Furthermore, the President in Israel has nothing to do with the cabinet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.231.136 (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I couldn't care less. There is still so much more work to do here on wp rather than whine about some losers in current events. Just a reminder, wp is an enclylopedia not an almanac of news. Try and remember specific political events that occured even five years ago, they just aren't important. --Shuki 11:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur. If this list were to be made into an article, it'd be awfully POV in any case. If you feel the need to discuss these scandals briefly in Olmert's own article, and/or to create separate articles for each, feel free, assuming you focus only on those which are really worthwhile to discuss. Note how many members of the Bush administration have scandals discussed within the biography article, and not (I hope - I haven't checked) in separate articles. Creating a list is not only meaningless towards the long-run significance of these events in history, but indicative of bias, which we try to avoid on Wikipedia. LordAmeth 17:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

IDF naming conventions
In case some people present here don't watch WP:ISRAEL, I have started a discussion there about IDF naming conventions. Please leave your comments. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Pinhas Gershon
Hello, everybody. I've added a short paragraph in Gershon's article concerning his season at Olympiacos. I will add more once the finals here in Greece are finished. Please let me know if you have any comments.Zambetis 10:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Nonfree image on the portal page
Hi. The image Image:Ben-yehuda.jpg that is on the portal page is a nonfree image. Per WP:NONFREE and its exemptions, nonfree images can't be used on portal pages. I think Image:BYwork.jpg would be a good free image to put on the portal page instead, but I don't know anything about Israel and don't want to mess up the portal with an image that isn't appropriate. Could someone take out the nonfree image and replace it with a suitable free image? Thank you Bláthnaid  19:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your patience with this - much appreciated - will switch over images now--Flymeoutofhere 20:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You fixed the problem so quickly, there was no need for me to be patient! Thanks Bláthnaid  01:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * haha - Some people would just delete it and leave the page scarred.--Flymeoutofhere 18:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Interview and bot to auto-update
Wikinews has an interview that should perhaps be linked to from here.

There is a bot to automate copying over a list of latest news from Wikinews to Wikipedia portals, see Portal:Television for an example. I can't remember all the details but it might be worth looking in to. As a Wikinewsie I'd love to (a) see our coverage promoted here, and (b) See people who keep an eye on this portal try their hand on Wikinews to get a story in the bot-generated section.

User:RichardF who originally came up with the bot idea has implemented it on a number of portals, and I'd like to see this transclusion of data between WN and WP become well established. It should offer an opportunity to cover something that might not be considered encyclopedic, but it news. That's what Wikinews is for - we only go nuts when you have the Asian Tsunami, London Bombings, but as I expect it to get progressively harder to start new articles on Wikipedia, Wikinews offers new opportunities every day. --Brian McNeil /talk 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Current events subportals MfD
A discussion about most of the Current events subportals has been opened at Miscellany for deletion. You are invited to participate in discussing the fate of these subportals. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Postage stamps and postal history of Israel
For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 11:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Updating Tel Marus to include Kfar Meroth...
Have and am updating information on Marus with background on Kfar Meroth in case anyone is interested. Also: please direct me to the correct page to put this message on, as I get lost regularly :). Hag Sameach! Shir-El   too  13:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Helping Out

 * Shalom!
 * I would like to start to help out with this portal. Is there any tasks that need to be done at the moment? You can tell me what to do here, but I would appreciate it if you would inform me on my talk page that you've left a comment here. Thanks for your time:-)--SJP (talk) 08:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

logo INPA
Can you tell me please what is the source of this image en:File:INRNPA.png? thanks

Djampa (talk) 09:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably their website. --Shuki (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The importance of Yemenis for the existance of Israel
Hi. I've been reading many articles related to the state of Israel, Judaism and the Hebrew Language. I'm astonished for the enormous times that Yemeni jews are mentioned in them. I had never heard about yemeni-hebrew language, the purest form of hebrew that remains from the ancient (scriptural) language. I was not aware that a significant ammount of yemenis took part of the first and second Aliyah. etc.

Is it really so? or is it just somebody from yemen that wanted to include himself in wikipedia? --201.253.237.170 (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe that the information regarding Yemenite Jews on Wikipedia is fair and accurate. However, I have not read many of the articles in question in a while, and probably do not know part of the information myself. Are there any specific passages you have come across that appear inaccurate? —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Israeli wars and armed conflicts
Please share your knowledge regarding which were the most prominent IDF military operations in the discussion page of that article. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:52, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

acronym NRG (Maariv)
What does the acronym NRG (Maariv) stands for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.242.11.3 (talk) 13:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "nrg" sounds like energy and this is probably the reason behind the name.  M ath K night  14:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Hemant Karkare and anti-Israel Conspiracy Theories
I would like to bring attention to the article on Hemant Karkare, which is currently sufferring from a massive edit war, possibly by sock puppets (see my post here for the list) led by an anti-Israel editor named User:TwoHorned (He tried to POV-push in the India-Israel relations article before). The focus of the "edit-war" is over WP:FRINGE Conspiracy Theories concerning his death and the 2008 Mumbai attacks (in which a Chabad Lubavich center in Mumbai was destroyed by Pakistani Muslims). The edit-warriors keep inserting many bogus claims made by extremists, one of them is that Israeli-government has been fomenting religious riots in India (see this section of their version). Perhaps some input and contribution from the regular users of this portal would prove constructive in this area. Thanks.117.194.197.61 (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Wth.
I am unable to undue this edit because it says "The following link has triggered a protection filter: [insert site here] Apparently freerepublic is spam so Wikipedia blocks any links to it.

Problem is, I don't see any link to freerepublic in the edit. So what gives? Wikifan Be nice 04:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. That site was transcluded in the dyk section. Carry on. Lirika filosofskaya (talk) 04:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Netanya Market bombing
Do you think the subject the article covers is notable enough for the English Wikipedia? Since I know there are many people with a lot of knowledge in the field that read this page, I would appreciate any help you could provide in the improvement of the current state of this article, in such a way that it would meet the Wikipedia standards, and/or if you disapprove of it, I would appreciate if you could post an honest opinion on the subject in the talk page of the article. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

2002 Herzliya shawarma restaurant bombing
Do you think the subject the article covers is notable enough for the English Wikipedia? Since I know there are many people with a lot of knowledge in the field that read this page, I would appreciate if you could share your knowledge and thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 02:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 2000s
In this set of templates - should we keep the general and vague word "Terrorism" in the headline or should we change it to a word (or words) which would help define more precisely the difference between (1) any type of notable murder committed against Israeli targets and (2) any type of Arab/foreign militia terror attacks and/or individual nationalistic-motivated terror attacks (committed not only by Arabs) committed against Israeli targets. Please help by suggesting alternatives in the discussion itself. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Israeli elections
Which template do you prefer? (Please express your opinion there.) TheCuriousGnome (talk) 13:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

AfD
Please see Articles for deletion/Religious coercion in Israel. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Nobel prizes per capita
Hello I would just like to say that the notion that Israel has the most Nobel Prizes per capita is wrong. Israel is in fact at the 11th position as you can see here. That's not too bad, but still what it says now is wrong and I just wanted to give you the chance to correct this. Fipplet أهلا و سهلا 12:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Featured Pictures
I have a number of FP from Wikipedia and Commons from all over Israel. I do not want to "flood" the portal, are there limitations?--Godot13 (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Naming of 1948 War
Please come and express your opinion about new data regarding the name of the 1948 war. The current article title is 1948 Palestine war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaferjo (talk • contribs) 21:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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