Portal talk:Textile arts/Selected biography

Biographies

 * 1) Elizabeth Zimmermann = Start-class, No relevant free-use image in article.
 * 2) John Henry Dearle = B-class, free-use image of work in article.
 * 3) William Morris = B-class, free-use image of individual in article. WP:LEAD could use expansion. Added - PKM (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Betsy Ross = B-class, relevant free-use image in article. WP:LEAD could use expansion.

If someone could get these up to at least a minimum of "B" class, I think these 4 would be enough to at least start/reformat a Biographies section of the portal, and then we'd only need 6 more. Cirt (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment

Possible substitutes for biography articles
Films?
 * Norma Rae - about union organizing in a textile plant: start-class
 * How to Make an American Quilt - tagged for cleanup, classified as stub but at least long enough to be start-class. No references

Fiction? Also worth checking: List_of_knitters_in_literature. From that list:
 * Persuasion (novel) by Jane Austen - Lady Russell spends nearly the entire story working on a long piece of needlework "of little use and no beauty" while her family goes to ruin. - B-class
 * A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens - Citizeness Defarge, one of the more memorable villains in literature, brings her knitting along when she goes to watch the beheadings of her enemies after she has informed on them. - B-class, tagged for lack of citations
 * The Long Winter (novel) by Laura Ingalls Wilder - Laura and her blind sister Mary spend a snowed-in winter in South Dakota doing needlework and hoping for a thaw that would let the snowed-in railroad bring supplies to a town that fears starvation. - labeled as stub-class, probably start-class.
 * Odyssey by Homer - Odysseus's wife Penelope delays a throng of suitors by weaving and unweaving a funeral shroud for her father. B-class
 * Metamorphoses by Ovid Unrated (high start-low B) - Arachne challenges a goddess to a weaving competition and gets transformed into a spider for her impertinence.
 * 1) La Princesse de Clèves by Marie-Madeleine Pioche de la Vergne, comtesse de la Fayette The Duc de Nemours honors dresses his lance with a yellow silk ribbon for a joust, in order to honor the married woman he loves.  She cannot wear yellow because the color is unflattering on her, but it's her favorite color. (tagged as stub, probably worth changing tag to start-class)
 * To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf - B-class
 * Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe - featured
 * Emma by Jane Austen - B-class
 * War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy - B-class
 * David Copperfield (novel) by Charles Dickens - start-class

I think I could dig up enough B-class articles to round out a set of 10 with a little more research. Durova Charge! 03:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Textile Arts in fiction
Add your (10) "B" class or higher quality-rated articles here, and I'll create the new subsection. (The 3 above bio articles that you deemed suitable will be added instead in with the other general "Selected article" section.) Cirt (talk) 04:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, need to catch up on a couple of other things first. Thanks so much for your help.  I should give you a barnstar for this. :)  Durova Charge! 18:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, don't mention it. It'll just be nice when it gets to WP:FPORT at some point.  :)  Cirt (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

That's eight, although on some of them I'd need to look up the textile side of things. I've read Emma and War and Peace and for the life of me I can't recall who was knitting in either of them. I think there were some embroidery references in Le Morte d'Arthur or maybe it was The Once and Future King Time to do some more digging. Durova Charge! 05:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Persuasion (novel) by Jane Austen - Lady Russell spends nearly the entire story working on a long piece of needlework "of little use and no beauty" while her family goes to ruin. - B-class
 * This article should not be rated "B" class, it's not very well cited. Also, the WP:LEAD is way too short for ideal portal usage (could be double its current size) and the relevance to this portal would have to be asserted by someone more familiar w/ the topic than me.  (I could add it if it were better cited and the lead were expanded, and then someone else could tweak the "blurb" text to be more relevant to this portal's topic.  Cirt (talk) 18:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens - Citizeness Defarge, one of the more memorable villains in literature, brings her knitting along when she goes to watch the beheadings of her enemies after she has informed on them. - B-class, tagged for lack of citations.
 * As noted, tagged for lack of citations. WP:LEAD doesn't really mention relevance, so per my prev comment someone would have to tweak the blurb text if I were to add it to the portal.  I'd really rather not go w/ something w/ "This article does not cite any references or sources. (October 2007)" at the top of the article though.  Cirt (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Odyssey by Homer - Odysseus's wife Penelope delays a throng of suitors by weaving and unweaving a funeral shroud for her father. B-class
 * A good Lead/Intro, but not relevant to this portal's topic. Someone would have to write a "blurb" from scratch.  It'd be nice to find a free-use image that's more relevant to Penelope's funeral shroud weaving.  Cirt (talk) 19:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Metamorphoses by Ovid Unrated (high start-low B) - Arachne challenges a goddess to a weaving competition and gets transformed into a spider for her impertinence.
 * Same note as for Odyssey, and also Lead/Intro is too short. Cirt (talk) 19:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf - B-class (need info)
 * 2) Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe - featured (need info)
 * 3) Emma by Jane Austen - B-class (need info)
 * 4) War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy - B-class (need info)
 * 5) Example article.
 * 6) Example article.


 * You're a tough customer, Cirt. I've pinged Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles who's a member of the project and may be able to help this area.  Durova Charge! 01:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Among the most significant use of textiles as major plot elements in fiction would probably be Rumpelstiltskin, as the whole plot centers in part on a spinning wheel, and God of War II, which includes as the penultimate bosses "The Sisters of Fate - In order to use the Loom to change his past, Kratos must battle the Three Sisters of Fate that are defending it, frightened that Kratos will bring doom to the world should he use it. Lakhesis confronts Kratos alone trying to kill him using a combination of melee attacks and magic with the use of her staff. When bested by Kratos, Lakhesis releases Atropos from within her. Atropos carries Kratos through the mirror back to the time when Kratos fought Ares. She threatens that she could kill Kratos in the past by destroying the sword he used to kill Ares. Kratos defeats Atropos, bringing him back to Lakhesis' throne room. Both Lakhesis and Atropos fight against Kratos. He defeats them by throwing them into one of their inter-dimensional mirrors, and then destroying it, trapping them in a void between realms. The final sister, Clotho, awaits Kratos a few levels away. While Kratos makes his way to her head he disables five of her smaller arms blocking his way up. Once at the top level, he disables her two main arms, giving him time to bring up a giant swinging blade. With this blade he impales Clotho through her head killing the last of the Sisters of Fate, granting him the power to change the past." Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks; the God of War II article is in pretty good shape. Rumpelstiltskin looks like it needs some work.  Durova Charge! 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Biographies, revisited
In order to prioritize our weakest area, here goes:

Tolerable:
 * 1) Elizabeth Zimmermann = Start-class, No relevant free-use image in article.
 * 2) John Henry Dearle = B-class, free-use image of work in article.
 * 3) William Morris = B-class, free-use image of individual in article. WP:LEAD could use expansion.
 * 4) Betsy Ross = B-class, relevant free-use image in article. WP:LEAD could use expansion.

Needing work: Durova Charge! 00:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC) Awesome. If these above were all "B" class, or better yet, WP:GA class, with an associated relevant free-use image and a nice good WP:LEAD, I could have the rest of the portal ready for another portal peer review and then WP:FPORTC within short order. Cirt (talk) 04:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Rosey Grier - newly tagged for our project, needs assessment and possible expansion. Might team up with the football project for this?
 * 2) Debbie Stoller - start class, needs expansion
 * 3) Joseph Marie Jacquard - stub class, needs expansion and referencing
 * 4) Mary Brooks Picken - needs expansion, very listy
 * 5) Erica Wilson - stub, needs expansion and an image if possible
 * 6) Marianne Kinzel - stub, needs expansion and an image if possible
 * 7) Federico de Vinciolo - stub, at least it has an image
 * 8) Mariska Karasz - stub, needs expansion and an image
 * 9) Shannon Okey - stub, needs expansion and an image
 * 10) Teresa Wentzler - stub, at least it has an image
 * 11) May Morris - stub, has an image; good candidate for expansion
 * Comment
 * Would be helpful if articles like Rosey Grier and others with WP:LEAD sections that to the lay reader do not seem relevant to this project - could be tweaked a bit to show relevancy, especially w/ a sentence or two in the lead/intro of those articles, and then also obviously in the "blurb" text of the selected bios. Just something else to think about.  Cirt (talk) 06:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll copy this list to project talk to make sure people see it. We're going to need all the help we can get with this part.  Durova Charge! 10:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Finds: The above aren't perfect, but they're in better shape than a lot of the other bios listed above. The football project put a little work into the Rosey Grier biography. I'm going to see what I can do for him and for Debbie Stoller. If there are other bios on this list that would be good to go with an expanded introduction and some copyediting, please let me know. Durova Charge! 19:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sir William Henry Perkin
 * Eli Whitney
 * William Madison Wood
 * Jedediah Strutt
 * Samuel Slater
 * Richard Arkwright
 * Needs a lot of work, keep me posted as more get to B-class or better yet, WP:GA-class, and have sufficient text in the lede. The only one at present that I'd like to add is Richard Arkwright - but I can't because the entire article is unsourced and lacking cites.  Cirt (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

We should also focus on finding free-use images for as many of the above bio articles as possible. Cirt (talk) 19:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Images?
 * Good idea. I'll work on that.  Might be hard to accomplish for the current/recent bios.  Durova Charge! 19:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyone want to work on the WP:LEAD for William Morris and Betsy Ross? I'll go ahead and reformat the "Selected bio" section, and start adding a few of the satisfactory articles that have a good size WP:LEAD, are at least of B-class with decent sourcing, and ideally have a relevant free-use image to go along with it. Cirt (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Start the section?
 * I'll have a look at those. Durova Charge! 19:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

More potentials, need work, cleanup
Cirt (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Emil Rieve
 * 2) Gunta Stölzl
 * 3) Dobri Zhelyazkov
 * 4) Moses H. Cone

Also: Durova Charge! 05:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anni Albers

Expansions and improvements
Gave Moses H. Cone a full two paragraph lead. Is that good enough now? Durova Charge! 08:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, ✅, added. 8 more to go...  Cirt (talk) 23:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Working on Gunta Stölzl (not quite ready yet). Durova Charge! 05:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Expanded the introduction. Think this is good to go now?  Durova Charge! 23:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't get how a reproduction of the Bauhaus logo can be free-use, it probably should not be on Commons. Cirt (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang, you're right. How'd you like to write your first Commons deletion proposal?  Durova Charge! 08:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay... Cirt (talk) 08:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed those images. 3 down, 7 to go?  Durova Charge! 08:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, added. Yes, 7 more to go... Cirt (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Emil Rieve Durova Charge! 04:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we get some more info on that image/logo used in that article, precisely why it is public domain, etc. ? Cirt (talk) 05:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try, or else I'll scout for something else that's relevant. There must be something in public domain relevant to his career.  If nothing else, perhaps some FSA press releases about labor relations during WWII.  Durova Charge! 06:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, keep us posted here, would be really nice to have a free-use image to go along with each selection (though not absolutely required). Cirt (talk) 06:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Durova Charge! 06:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * John Henry Dearle? (I hope I hope I hope...) Good enough?  Durova Charge! 01:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This one is already in the rotation. Cirt (talk) 22:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I added the above (nice work on the improvements) and John Henry Dearle is already there, so we have 9 - one more needed and then I think we could go for a 2nd WP:PPREV, and then on to WP:FPORTC. Cirt (talk) 00:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * William Henry Perkin Durova Charge! 03:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Samuel Slater (I hope that's enough). Durova Charge! 07:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Eli Whitney Durova Charge! 07:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Betsy Ross Durova Charge! 08:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rosey Grier Durova Charge! 08:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Added up to 9
 * Oh dang! I thought we were at ten... (sob)...(edit, edit)  Durova Charge! 04:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

More bios to add
I have finally expanded Bess of Hardwick to have a proper lead explaing her significance, which covers her role as a needlewoman and companion to Mary Queen of Scots, and the importance of the Hardwick Hall textiles. It was previously tagged as start class but I think it's ready for a B, please check.

I also expanded the lead on William Morris. That article is undergoing a series of improvements by Mervyn and I am going to add textiles information as part of that. - PKM (talk) 16:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Added Bess of Hardwick and increased bio max to 10. Cirt (talk) 18:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks. I just finished adding info on embroidery, printed and woven textiles, and tapestry to William Morris. - PKM (talk) 23:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for your help, PKM! Durova Charge! 00:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And now we are ten, no more sobbing! :-) - PKM (talk) 02:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Does happy dance. Durova Charge! 02:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Morris
It's time I stopped being intimidated by the portal structure. I have added the expanded William Morris to the bios, all by myself. And now we are 11. - PKM (talk) 21:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice. Cirt (talk) 22:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)