Portal talk:Western Sahara/Western Sahara topics

Koavf pushing Polisario's POV again and again!
Western Sahara is a territory disputed between Morocco and Polisario, each side has its own arguments which they think suffiscient, the UN is trying now to resolve the problem through a referundum. First of all, the problem is about neutrality of WP, the flag shown in this section is the flag used by one party of the conflict (polisario) and refused by the other (Morocco) and not recognized by the UN (the mediator in this conflict). There was an edit conflict about the infobox of Western Sahara page between me in one side and you and Arre in the other, a survey was necessary and the results are here and here. You see that the "no flags" option seems to be the least controversial solution, the "two flags" option was the second choice, displaying only one flag was the worst solution. Let's comply with WP principles of neutrality. You have to accept other side's opinions, stop your blind war edit. Daryou 18:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

===>Several sources call this the "Flag of Western Sahara" See, for instance, Flags of the World. Justin (koavf) 23:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

What about the survey results? Daryou 23:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

===>What about them? They refered to something else. What about the mediation in the Politics of Western Sahara dispute? Answer me this: would you include Israel's flag on a Palestine portal? Justin (koavf) 02:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)~

WPians give priority to neutrality, it means NO FLAGS or at least 2 flags. The survey prove it. Conform to WP principles and stop pushing the Polisario's POV. Daryou 19:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

===>The survey was irrelevant to this discussion See Portal:Palestine; does it have the flag of Israel? No, it has the flag of Palestine. Explain to me how these two are different. Justin (koavf) 21:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Those are different because Israel doesn't claim the Palestinian territories as a part of its territory. Morocco claims the WS as an integral part of its territory. Daryou 22:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

===>Sure there are There are definitely Israelis that claim Palestinian territories as an integral part of their state. Plus, if Israel simply changed its mind and annexed Gaza and the West Bank, would you be in favor of putting its flag on the Palestine portal? I think not... Justin (koavf) 23:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that in that case a no flags situation will be relevant. Daryou 23:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

===>So, are changing the Palestinian portal? It's totally appropriate to show the flag since, 1.) many people colloquailly call it the "flag of Western Sahara" and 2.) many governments recognize the SADR as the legitimate authority over the Sahara. Justin (koavf) 23:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, many people call it like this and many governments recognize the SADR, that's true, However the SADR isn't recognized by the UN and 147 states. The territory is disputed and the conflict is under UN mediation, untill the dispute is resolved, WP should be neutral without any Pro-polisario or pro-Moroccan stance. This flag is widely used but isn't officially and internationnaly recognized as the flag of WS, at least by the UN and 147 states of this world. Daryou 15:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This flag is widely used as the flag of WS because there is a general confusion between WS (a disputed territory) and SADR (the self proclaimed Republic), the sources using this flag are either pro-polisario or ill-informed. The SADR isn't recognized by the UN and 147 states (over 192) neither is its flag. The conflict is under UN mediation, untill it's resolved, WP should be unbiased without any pro-polisario or pro-Moroccan stance. Daryou 17:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

flag
why is the flag backwards? i thought that was solved on Flag of Western Sahara?

Flag and POV
Flag of Western Sahara This is the flag of Western Sahara, for instance, see the article linked. It is also the flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and the Polisario Front. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 14:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The flag of the Polisario/RASD is not that of Western Sahara.It is very clear, and no time wasting on it.--A Jalil 15:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow Jalil, that's just flippant. Why did you revert all of the changes I made? What's your reasoning? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I did not revert all your changes. If you write something that is not POV, that is welcome. Any return to the old POV pushing attitude is not acceptable.--A Jalil 15:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You didn't? Yes, you did revert all of my changes. Are you lying to me? Why did you do this? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Here we go again. I did not revert all the changes you made to the Western Sahara articles, and you made many many. I did not mean specifically this article. Here you can't return the articles to the state they were when you were blocked, and discard others' changes.--A Jalil 15:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Here we go again I didn't say you reverted all changes I made to all articles. I am using this talk page for this article, Jalil, just like it's intended. So, my question still stands: why did you revert all of my changes? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)