Talk:(What's the Story) Morning Glory?/Archive 1

Track listing v. Booklet
Why do the lyrics in the booklet appear in a different order than the songs themselves?

Warning about false sales information
Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, and as such has to contain accurate and unbiased information. Please note - it is NOT a fan website. There have been several problems recently with users posting false information regarding worldwide sales figures on this page in particular, most specificially they have been inflating the figures to 19-20 million without any evidence to back up such a claim. This constitutes "vandalism" of the Wikipedia site and will not be tolerated.

The two anonymous users who have commited this act on 15 & 16 March 2007 have already had their IP addresses traced to Tiscali UK and IP Fjarskipti in Iceland. If they, or any other users persist in posting deliberately false information or data they cannot prove, they will be reported to their Internet Service Providers (who hold records of user activity) without further warning.

Is supposed to be some kind of threat? I mean, your intentions are good (stopping vandalism), but what good would contacting an ISP do? It's more likely, they would laugh at you. 69.19.14.22 06:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Worldwide Sales
and WHAT available data and certifications, comedian??? dozens of magazines, books, journalists (sorry i can not name those at hte moment) said, wrote, that it HAS sold more than 20 million(last one: in german "guitar"-magazine 4/2007(22 million).in a german "rocklexikon" ..sorry, i will tell later, they wrote 19 million, that was BEFORE wikipedia-times(ca. 1999)

Honestly, I dont know what planet Oasis fanboys live on. This album has not sold anywhere near 20 million copies worldwide. As of 2007, it had sold approximately 8.5 million in the UK and US together (the album's two biggest markets), but sales elsewhere in the world were rather more modest and do not come close to bringing the total up to 20 million. The current calculation as of Feb 2007 is just over 15 million based on available data and certifications.

NOTE - as of W/E 5th September 2009, '(What's the Story) Morning Glory?' is the 4th Best Selling Album, (ever), in the UK. 'Gold' by ABBA overtook it in the 2nd half of 2009. The ABBA Album is on 4,655,000 UK Sales, (so far - and still in the Top 40), & the Oasis Album is on around 4,430,000 to 4,436,000 Sales. The ABBA Album has clearly outsold Oasis.....Here is the most recent 'All Time UK Top 40 Albums' List, by The BPI - it goes up to 14th June:, http://www.bpi.co.uk/assets/files/top%2040%20albums.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.122.117 (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

True Gold by ABBA is higher in the official BPI list, but the list only includes sales of Morning Glory from 1996 onwards, as it is marked released in 1996; rather than it's official release date of October 1995. So if we include the sales of Morning Glory in 1995 as well, then considering it sold 376,000 in the first week (as stated in the introduction of this article), then adding that onto 4.4 million makes roughly 4.7-4.8 million, hereby surpassing ABBA's gold on 4.6 million. So it still does retain it's place as the 3rd best selling album ever in the UK, NOT the fourth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.74.123 (talk) 04:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

As for total album sales, The Guardian have an article which states Morning Glory as having sold 22 million copies worldwide and since the previous total of 14 million was sourced from an Oasis fan site, its obvious that The Guardian, one of most respected newspapers and information sources in the world is far more reputable. Therefore the total is back to 22 million, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.15.231 (talk) 06:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Which Genre
This is something that needs to be standardised between all of the Oasis albums. I do not like the change to britpop. Oasis are a rock'n'roll band. Why try to change that? Also, the majority of the albums are listed as rock (all except DM, Masterplan and now this).

Does anyone else hold strong views on this? --Apyule 07:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * no-one has mentioned anything here yet, so I'm going to take this discussion to the main Oasis article talk page. --Apyule 03:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

-Yes Oasis are a Rock band but they are also a britpop band. In fact they are probably the figure head of britpop and the most associated band with Britpop. In the 90's the media labelled the battle between Oasis and Blur as the fight for the title of "King of Britpop". Also in the documentary "Live Forever", which was about the rise and fall of Britpop, not only did Noel and Liam feature heavily, but the the documentary was named after the hit Oasis song. Oasis are Britpop, anyone who thinks otherwise is probably American and doesn't know what Britpop is. :David


 * Britpop isnt a sound, its just a term coined by magazines (ie NME) for bands reviving the popularity in British guitar music. Morning Glory is a rock album. If not, we could settle on Britrock 172.209.86.140 14:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I second that. Britpop was a movement, rather than a certain genre of music (Black Grape, Dubstar and Paul Weller had nothing in common, musically). Even if we accept Britpop as a genre, the archetyal Britpop sound was affected and insincere, e.g. Blur, Menswear, or Pulp, rather than the less intellectually-inclined Oasis. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Location of cover photo
Could someone please confirm the exact location of the cover photo. AFAIK it's in Soho, London, but I' can't say exactly where. ProhibitOnions

Still wondering... ProhibitOnions 18:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Berwick Street, Soho, London. And one of roads running off Berwick Street is called Noel Street. Mr. Monobrow 22:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How about that. I've walked by there hundreds of times. Thanks for that, I'm adding it to the article right now. ProhibitOnions 23:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I searched for this a while ago, but there were many pages about Oasis, none of which mentioned the cover location. Adding the search term "Berwick St" turned up several sites, one of which has a location shoot, so I've added a link as well. Thanks again. ProhibitOnions 23:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Habit
In Britain and Ireland it became habit when asked "What's the story?" (lit. "How are you?"), to answer with "Morning glory". It well became common amongst the youth. I, for one, did it then and still do it now as a joke.--Play Brian Moore 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because you and friends of yours did it, you can't claim it "became common in Britain and Ireland". You'd really need evidence of that, something like a magazine article or some other professional cultural article. --Mr. Monobrow 10:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * the line said it bacame 'habbit', it doesn't say anything about it being a national phenomenon. It was certainly a common enought thing. Keep it out if you wish but the line doesn't claim anything more than a truth.--Play Brian Moore 19:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Habit", "common", same thing. The fact that you mentioned Britain and Ireland suggest that it was widespread.  I'm not saying it wasn't common where you were living, but to include that line in the article, you need to have a contemporary reference. --Mr. Monobrow 11:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Habit", "common", same thing. Thats true but a habit/common are not the same as national phenomenon. Hence, my point being the line doesn't claim that it became anything more than a common habbit. Perhaps it should just say it was just common amongst the people who listened to Oasis or the 4.5 million people in Britain alone who bought the album.--Play Brian Moore 23:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you know that for a fact and have a reference, then fine. But do you? --Mr. Monobrow 10:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Updated official sales list:
In July 2006, the BPI updated its official top 10 selling albums list:

Source: http://www.bpi.co.uk/stats/content_file_126.shtml

1. BEATLES - SGT PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND 2. MICHAEL JACKSON - BAD 3. DIRE STRAITS - BROTHERS IN ARMS 4. OASIS - (WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY 5. MADONNA - IMMACULATE COLLECTION 6. ABBA - GOLD 7. SIMPLY RED - STARS 8. QUEEN - GREATEST HITS 9. MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER 10. SHANIA TWAIN - COME ON OVER

LAST UPDATED – July 2006Rimmers 13:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

but BROTHERS IN ARMS is only 13x Platinum and BAD is only 13x Platinum but (WHAT'S THE STORY) MORNING GLORY is 14x Platinum


 * They used to be - but the BPI - who are the ones that issue the sales certificates - have been updating their material this year to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the albums chart. So although the your right in terms of the certificates that are listed on the database, in terms of the current top 10 list - Morning Glory is now the 4th biggest seller, not the second. Those certificates will be updated at some point this year...but the current, official is now correct, and MG is #4. Rimmers 14:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Note that this table has changed, as of August 2007 - it now goes Queen, Beatles, Oasis, Dire Straits, Abba, Pink Floyd, Queen, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Madonna. Shania Twain and Simply Red are off the list, what a shame. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

As of 3rd January 2009, the Table had changed again. 'Gold' by ABBA is now in 3rd place. The Oasis Album drops to 4th. Dire Straits drop to 5th. 'Thriller' by Michael Jackson has had the Sales of 'Thriller 25' added to it. This is enough for it to rise from 8th to 7th place. 'Greatest Hits II' by Queen, drops from 7th to 8th place. 'The Immaculate Collection' by Madonna, re-enters the Top 10, at No.10. Shania Twain falls out of the Top 10. (The Madonna Album is 190,000 Sales ahead of 'Come On Over'). So the Top 10 is now, Queen, The Beatles, ABBA, Oasis, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson, ('Thriller'), Queen, Michael Jackson, (Bad'), & Madonna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.127.229 (talk) 11:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Fix
it says "in the Spring and Summer of 1996 with half a dozen massive open air concerts in the UK, which included two nights at Knebworth in front of a combined audience of 250,000 people."

and was it not 250,000 people each night, and did 2,600,000 million people aply for tickets Bobo6balde66 19:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No it was 125,000 each of the two nights. I've added the fact about 2.6 million applicants.--Play Brian Moore 19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Sources?
What facts need sourcing?--Play Brian Moore 19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The technical answer would be all of them which is a bit unfeasible, but the more facts with sources the better. --Apyule 23:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically I should thank you for giving me a smart arse asnwer but the less gratitude paid to your last comment, the better.--Play Brian Moore 19:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote?
Wikiquote has material related to this article? No it doesn't! Anton1234 01:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination
This article failed good article nomination.

I'm sorry, but there are very few citations and the sources that are posted don't follow the correct format. There are also quite a few unsourced statements that could be taken as POV without a source.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Scorpion 05:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Profesional Reviews
Can someone change the Q magazine star rating, not just for Morning Glory but for all the albums, these ratings should indicate what the album got on the original review, not what they were changed to later on in Oasis specials or whatever.

I believe Morning Glory was 3 star, Definitely Maybe was 4 star, Be Here Now was 5 star and SOTSOG was 4 star

I have removed Robert Christgau's review from the professional reviews box as I don't see why he should be considered alongside the other reviewers.There is no link to an actual full review of any of the albums reviewed by Robert and he is virtually unknown to the general public. His reviews can hardly be deemed professional and he has no significance alongside other reviwers in popular music culture. If he has his review stated up there than I might as well have my rating put up there too, because his review is just about as worthy as mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.74.123 (talk • contribs)
 * Robert Christgau is a very well known music critic. He may be unknown to you, but I would guess most authors of reviews would be. When you've had a long professional career as a music critic we can include your rating.--Michig (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Lightfoot
Gordon Lightfoot did a song with this name also. Is there any connection? DS 19:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Recording Info
I think the info concerning the recording history of the album is very poor, I was wondering if someone could expand on that part of the article, since the other Oasis album articles give some sort of idea on how they were made. Pendot57 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pendot57 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Miscellanea

 * "Hello" contains elements of Gary Glitter's "Hello Hello I'm Back Again" as Liam jokingly sings part of the song's chorus when the song begins to fade out. In addition, it begins with the riff from "Wonderwall" being played very quietly.
 * On the cover of the album a man is seen brandishing what looks to be a vinyl record in its sleeve. This is in fact the master tape for the album. The man in question is Owen Morris, the producer. The photo was taken on Berwick Street in Soho, a London street well known for its independent record shops. The other man is BBC London's Sean Rowley.

Move Article?
Shouldn't the title to the album be (What's the Story) Morning Glory ? as opposed to (What's the Story) Morning Glory? as the space at the end is present on the original album cover, side spine and inside the on the CD itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFeedback (talk • contribs) 23:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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Rock, Britpop, or both?
I really think we need to come to a consensus on this issue: lately the genre field has been constantly changed from 'Rock' to 'Rock, Britpop' or 'Britpop'. Britpop was a largely covered movement, and this album, Be Here Now and Definitely Maybe were massively important in its development. As it essentially came to its demise around 97/98, Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and onwards can remain as simply 'Rock', but for the reasons I have already stated, DM, MG and BHN need to have Britpop either on its own or (ideally) with rock. Please cast your vote and comments. Andre666 (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But what's britpop anyway!? I've said it a million times, it's not a real genre. Just assembles popular ENGLISH bands of the early/mid nineties, doesn't it? I do think Definitely Maybe is somewhat of a heavier rock album than Morning Glory. Also, didn't the britpop tag emerge with the release of "Roll With It", as in the battle of britpop? There is no such thing as a "pop" sound on DM. It does fit for the Morning Glory/Be Here Now albums, though. Standing on the shoulder of Giants is more something of a psychedelic rock album, if you ask me. --91.177.255.248 (talk) 20:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * A music genre can not be limited simply to its sound. The historical context counts just as much, e.g. 'thrash' bands would not be labelled as such if they were around before the term came to prominence. Please do not be so narrow-minded&mdash;these Oasis albums are clearly Britpop, though rock should be added too. Andre666 (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This seems extremely subjective to me. I do not categorize my music historically. I base everything more or less on what it sounds like or what a band says it to be. Actually, can you name me a thrashband that sounded like proper thrash before the term was invented? :P But anyway, keep britpop if you like; I don't really mind. I want to push for the inclusion of rock, hardrock and psychedelic rock. Cheers. --91.177.230.103 (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Psychedelic, maybe, for songs like "Champagne Supernova", but not hard rock. That will not be included. The more the merrier though, why not? Andre666 (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm fine with it. --91.177.227.232 (talk) 20:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

"Hello"
Oasis were sued by Gary Glitter and settled for £300,000 for their use of his song in "Hello". This is why the song is credited to Gallagher, Glitter, Leander. There are a couple of Google News hits about this and plenty of other sources that show these writing credits. Please don't remove these credits just because the Gary Glitter link is emabarassing.--Michig (talk) 06:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

tambourine
i am deleting the tambourine as there is no evidence that liam played tambourine on this album! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.73.225 (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

at the time, they were the biggest gigs ever held for a single band on UK soil
Has any other band played bigger gigs? I know Robbie Williams played shows but his back up band is hardly a "band" per se. Also, I believe the Knebworth shows had a huge demand, surpassing even the 1 million applicants for Led Zeppelin's London show last year. Is there any truth in this? (Play Brian Moore (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

Yes that is true, as the 'Live Forever: The Rise and Fall of Britpop' documentary states; there were 2.6 million applicants for the knebworth gigs, and to date remands the largest ever demand for a live show on UK soil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.46.50 (talk) 05:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Legacy
whoever just blindly deleted an entire section titled 'legacy', PLEASE do not do so without constructive discussion about why this should happen on the discussion page. we cant all have it the way we exactly want it to be. it must be agreed by a number of users for crying out loud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewerlack (talk • contribs) 10:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Certification
It says on this page that the album went 4x platinum, but on the List of best-selling albums in the United Kingdom it says that it was 14x platinum. I don't know which is right, so if somebody else does it would be good if they could address the problem. Mouseinthehouse (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The 4x platinum is referring to US certifications. The 14x is from UK certifications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.60.245 (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Release & Reception Clean Up
I've improved the introduction and having been editing the article as a whole to make it suitable for a possible feature article nomination in the near future. However, this article will always ramin sub-standard unless the release and reception section is cleaned up. Although it starts off well it becomes messy and includes unnecessary facts with no links to the main text.

Cleaned up the Release and Reception section. Someone nominate this for feature article contention! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewerlack (talk • contribs) 13:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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